Jurassic World (2015)

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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby DannyBeane » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:59 am

Also I too don't like comparing these films. While they're the same genre, they bring very different feelings to the table. My superhero analogy is Godzilla = batman begins, Pacific Rim= Ironman and Jurassic World is Hellboy. All 3 are great fun films but are so different it's hard to do an honest comparison without letting personal tastes and biases get in the way.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby Psycho Soldier » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:21 am

Saw this tonight and enjoyed it. The action scenes generate real tension, and the nostalgic moments hit pretty hard - so on an emotional level, it really works for me. But its script is stupid, the practical effects are too few, and most of the characters are jerks. (Specifically, most of the guys are chauvinists. There are other examples beyond that, though.) Still, it's easily my favourite Jurassic Park sequel. I just hope the next movie steps up its writing game - the script touches on greatness, but doesn't entirely grasp it.

Also, where Legendary monster movies are concerned, I'd easily put Godzilla and PR ahead of this.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby XvGojira » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:19 am

I see all the people online ripping it apart. And just not seeing how people could enjoy this movie. Man I went in hoping to have a fun romp with dinos that might be on equal footing of JP3. Instead I got a love letter to the first movie in the best way possible.

As for a sequel, I think they may have put the raptors into a corner a bit. Like the Terminator after T2 no one wanted Arnold to be the bad guy (so much so that freaking John Connor is the new evil Terminator). So I have a feeling that they'll try to have the raptors be "good guys" in JP5:JW2. And right now a big part of me is TOTALLY fine with that. But there are many ways that the sequel could go. I kind of like the idea of them taking stuff from the books that were left out of the previous movies, like dinos making it onto the mainland, maybe even a version of that DX disease from The Lost World book. Black market dino-fights or illegal dino pets for the super rich.

But I still hold out hope that we'll see a dilophosaurus "in the flesh" again.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:29 am

I'd like to see a proper Dilophosaurus in JP for once (the 20 ft one yo!)
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:32 am

We'll never get a "proper" dinosaur in Jurassic Park, and I'm 100% fine with that...AND this movie even made mention of that. I forget the exact line, but BD Wong was like "You didn't ask for real. If we went real, most of these dinosaurs would look vastly different" I kinda squeed at that little acknowledgment.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby DannyBeane » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:23 am

BD Wong was probably my favorite character in the movie.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:53 pm

Jurassic World is basically the most fun I've had at a movie in a long time. I probably felt more giddy during Jurassic World than I have for most movies in recent memory, except for maybe Captain America 2. Still, Jurassic World was an absolute blast despite some very glaring issues, and that is the important thing. The fun factor makes this movie great. For comparison's sake, I'd have to go Jurassic World > Pacific Rim > Godzilla. I sincerely hope that Godzilla 2 sees what Jurassic World did and brings us the same kind of non-stop action and homages.

And the whole "sexism" thing is overblown. This movie was not meant in any way to address sexism - how can anyone expect sexism to be properly addressed in a movie about genetically modified DINOSAURS? And isn't the main female character also a highly successful exec who, in the end, makes some drastically courageous decisions? Yes, yes she is. There are some cliched character archetypes, but this isn't quite a movie masterpiece and it certainly wasn't intended to be. It was sheer fun, plus they
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby XvGojira » Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:34 am

So there is some legitimate racism in Jurassic World.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd4ygI0GHV8

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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby Psycho Soldier » Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:51 am

Pretty funny. I expect that when Cinema Sins gets their hands on JW, they'll ding that moment in the movie as racist.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:57 am

CinemaSins sucks.

It's not even funny anymore. It's just 15 minutes of nit-picky garbage like "That thing is orange!" Honest Trailers is amazing though.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby RapZiLLa54 » Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:10 pm

Seen it twice now, most fun I've had in the movies in years and it actually held up the 2nd time. I remember loving Avengers the first time but then saw it the 2nd time and was like.....eh?
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby lhb412 » Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:00 am

I'm sorry to say I found Jurassic World pretty poor.

The main culprits are generic characters that seemed to be cliche out of laziness rather than love of the tropes and action sequences with no real feeling of suspense or dynamism behind them - and, sadly, all of those descriptions can be extended to the rest of the movie as a whole. Bryce Dallas Howard and Vincent D'Onofrio, two really good actors, are unable to make their characters anything but grating, and in the case of D'Onofrio, excruciatingly grating. Even the always charming Pratt, given the macho, he-man role, hardly registers as a blip, and the total lack of anything resembling romantic chemistry between his character and Howard's was terrible. Are we supposed to buy them as a couple? I don't think these people should be in the same room together! I mean, I usually have a high tolerance to contrived romance, but this was beyond the pale, even for me. The suspenseful action sequences, a trademark of even the weakest previous Jurassic Park films, are imitated but not successfully. This is a movie that just sort of throws things at the screen for the runtime and then it ends. It's an extremely generic modern blockbuster, devoid of style, wit, and only captures the awesome spectacle you want in brief fits.

... Still, there were dinosaurs, and that does account for something. Dinosaurs are inherently awesome, after all. But even there I felt like we were given an inferior run, as the CGI dinos are unimpressive. They're a step-down from many great CGI creatures in the last decade or so, like the kaiju and jeagers, Ceasar's apes, Rocket and Groot, and... oh, yeah: Godzilla! They're also a step down from the dinos in Spielberg's two Jurassic Park films, no doubt because of his reliance of practical dinosaur props and inherent knack of staging action.

It's a bad sign when the best thing about your film is blatant pandering to nostalgia. When the two kids entered the ruins of the original park I was delighted, but that was earned by decades of rewatching Jurassic Park, not anything Jurassic World did.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby jellydonut25 » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:37 am

D'Onofrio is SUPPOSED to be grating, yes?

I mean, I legitimately hated that character. I think that's a job well-done.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby lhb412 » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:26 am

^There's a balance you should hit in a movie like this, as the evil or 'unlikable' character is often one of the most entertaining on screen because they get to indulge in the darker aspects of the psyche that we (hopefully) do not, and a character being pathetic in some way is often funny (see the lawyer in the first Jurassic Park). Or maybe the bad guy is sleek and cool, or maybe he's relatable in some way, or maybe he's legitimately frightening or disturbing? D'Onofrio's character was just annoying, and he got far too much screen-time were he kept hitting the same broad strokes over and over. It was the redundancy of it that got me.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby Russzilla » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:16 pm

Glad to hear that Chris Pratt signed on for the sequel(s). I'm just really hoping now that JW5 can and will be done right and not take a turn downward after this very, very good movie. Especially after I read that the director will not be returning.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby Henry88 » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:51 pm

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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby Gwangi » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:24 am

I liked it. Does this wash away the sins of II and III? Probably not, since this movie had its share of sins as well. Cliched characters? Well, it is a good bet some film student will work on presentation entitled "Cliched" and probably feature characters from this movie! :mrgreen:

Chris Pratt, I thought was OK, but still having a hard time finding that appeal, that so many have talked about. Like others have stated, it is the dinosaurs that carry the movie. Indominus Rex was the real star of the feature and should have revived top billing over the human cast!

Overall, using Maltin's ratings systems I give it *** stars.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby Henry88 » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:59 pm

$981,330,000
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darn ,I am surprised that it is this big of a moneymaking juggernaut. It even looks like it will even beat out Inside Out this weekend.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

Postby XvGojira » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:33 pm

I've been thinking about the whole series lately and I think I've hit the reasons why The Lost World feels off to me. I never considered it a bad movie, it just had a lot of odd choices, many stemming from the book.

As a kid, all I wanted from a Jurassic Park 2 was more of the same but bigger. Oddly enough I think Jurassic World does a fantastic job of doing that. Now I understand that they needed to push the story further than just "It's the park again but with more dinosaurs!" for the immediate sequel. But one of the main things from the first movie that is missing is a lot of the sense of wonder and optimism. For a good portion of the first movie you're just sitting back going "A brachiosaurus! WOW! A baby raptor, aaawwww. Whoa! A Triceritops!". There is very little of that in The Lost World. You get a glimpse of the herd of stegosaurus but then it's suddenly attack mode because little Miss "We're here to observe and document, not interact" wants to pet the baby. And a small bit of the same old magic is at the end, showing the Rex family back on the island while the main theme, which had been mostly absent, finally swells before cutting to credits.

In lieu of the wonder and optimism they have the movie be darker, both in visuals and story. Way more people die in this movie than any other, I'd even say more than JW but no has put an official body count to either of them that I can recall. And it has one of the most gruesome deaths in the series with Eddie Carr. Do we get to see Peter Ludlow get mauled by the baby rex? Do we get to see Denis Nedry get his guts split open by the dilophosaurus like in the book? No but we get to see Eddie Carr get torn out of a car and then ripped in half like a squirrel between two pitbulls. Not until JW do we get a big more drawn out death than Eddie Carr. Every other death in the movies had been quicker, less bloody, than Eddie. Or were off screen like Muldoon, Mr Arnold, and the mercs who fell in the long grass only to have a tail pop up in the air.

Even the humor, when it was there was mostly dark. And the few points it wasn't dark it just felt it was in the wrong movie (specifically the "three double cheeseburgers" line when they are dangling over a cliff) or just clashed with the tone of the rest of the movie (T-Rex in San Diego). Even as a kid I was off put by the Rex eating the dog in San Diego. Yeah, it's humorous but it wasn't the right sort of humor to me for a Jurassic Park sequel.

Having Ian as the main character didn't make much sense to me as a kid and even today I don't feel like that character is good for a leading role. He's great as a side character, injecting humor and style into the film but not so much leading man material. Even when I fully read the books I was confused because Crichton killed him off, how could a dead man be in a sequel. And I can't quite recall how it's explained in the book, I remember something about a lot of non-disclosure agreements and what not being mentioned but that's about it.

But I still like the movie regardless of it's issues. It's an odd duck but there's enough good in it for me to give it a pass.

And three feels very inconsequential. Where TLW gave us site B and Ludlow's plan to move Jurassic Park to an amphitheater in San Diego, and JW gave a fully working park and InGen's secret plans to militarize hybrids, JP3 gave us a hanging thread that went no where and William h Macy hooking up with a lesbian. The lowest body count, a little bit more sense of wonder and optimism than TLW but didn't have the Spielberg magic to make it work fully, and a new dino that might have been good if they didn't over do it in the Rex fight and turn into the thunder lizard version of . If they delved into why there was a Spino on the island even though it wasn't in InGen's list then it would have been something. But for all we know, Grant just missed it on the list of dinos or maybe a Spino egg was made before the whole thing went south and wasn't on any of the documents Grant knew about, or there was a rouge scientist still on the island making dinosaurs because he wants to make dinosaurs. The story of Jurassic Park, InGen, and the dinosaurs did not get pushed significantly forward with JP3. So it's just a big dumb giant monster movie. Like the Tilt-a-Whirl at the local carnival, it's fun but doesn't go anywhere.

Sorry for my ramblings, my mind has just been filled with Jurassic Park lately and needed to put this down somewhere.
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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

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Re: Jurassic World (2015)

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