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by **Dr Kain** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:55 am

BTW, did anyone else think Alfred was kind of a douche bag in this movie? He seemed very out of character. No matter what happens, he NEVER abandons Bruce.

by **MouthForWar** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:09 am

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by **MouthForWar** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:16 am

FINALLY saw it (that one day wait felt like an eternity :lol:

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Saw it in a REAL Imax... THE way to do it if you have the benefit.

Anyway, I really can't add much that hasn't been said before.

I loved it. I pretty much echo everything KG said earlier (and I'm much too lazy to rephrase it in my own words :lol:

). Where him and I diverge though is that this might be my least favortie of the trilogy.

Having said that, I don't want anybody to take that as a negative. It is still a more than solid film and it was a perfect wrap up for this series.

Loved Bane... there were maybe 5 or 6 lines that I didn't understand and even the extra-loudness of his voice felt fine to me as the movie went on. But he was just as mean, intimidating and scary as he should have been. Loved Anne Hathaway as Catwoman. Loved Cotillard (was anybody really surprised by who she really was)? And Gordon-Levitt was awesome as well. Everybody was awesome, as is the case with all of these films.

The performances were great. Alfred was definitely the emotional core of the film, even if he doesn't have a lot of screen time (I also didn't mind him leaving, as he makes it very clear and rational as to why he has to do it).

Loved the courtroom scene cameo... I wonder if that's what they planned for the Joker... they don't seem to admit it now, but when TDK came out Nolan did say he had plans for the Joker in a very small role in this film and the judge in the court room would have been perfect for him. But I liked that they got Scarecrow since now he's in all 3.

Now I can finally go all out on the ending...

I got the ending I wanted

- To clarify, I always HATED the idea that a lot of fans had that Batman would die in this movie.... even if it was done in a way to redeem him to the public, it never felt like something that would be done more than shock value. I hated the idea so much that the potential of it would have probably ruined the movie for me, which is why I looked up the spoilers too it in the first place... I was simply scared. But they gave Bruce a happy ending, which I think a lot of people wouldn't expect from this series... hell, you could even call it SAPPY. But to me, it all works. Bruce deserves it after what he's been through and it is one thing that he always wishes he had, but the need to crank out more comics will never let him have it. And I even loved that he was still seeing Selina... yeah, call me a sap, but for all the supposed "darkness" of this series, it really needed an ending like this. Bruce and Selina finally got to run away and be happy like they always want in the comics but simply can't due to the nature of comic book storytelling.

I'm a little more mixed on the Robin thing though... Not because it is different from the comics, but I just think it was such an odd choice to make Blake's real name Robin... I still enjoyed it though (although I wonder if that might have been a studio decision to leave SOMETHING open at the end, even if they aren't planning a continuation). Either way, it really hammers home that Batman accomplished his goal of inspiring people to do what they can to do the right thing. Even though we probably wouldn't get it, I'd totally watch a movie with him as Robin/Nightwing/New Batman, whatever.

If I'm forced to have complaints, my biggest would be the odd pacing. I like that it takes its time to slowly build to each big sequence, but I don't think I was really expecting it, so there were a few times where it kinda threw me off. That's really the only issue I had with it... not even that it felt too long, just that the start/stop pacing of it threw me off at a couple points.

I think the main reason I prefer the first two films is that the plot itself (throw Gotham into chaos) thing didn't feel different enough from how it was portrayed in the first two films... The middle portion of the movie just kinda seemed very "samey"- not a knock, because I understand that it is the whole theme of the series, but I think that might be why I didn't seem as roped into the middle part of the film (although the first and third acts are amazing).

Still, great film and I can't wait to own it. Even if it is my least favorite of the trilogy, it did more than I needed it to (which was at least be this series' Jedi, an expectation that was surpassed), and I'm extremely happy that my favorite superhero is the first to have a great film trilogy to his name.

PS- There was a power outage in the middle of the film... although I wasn't spooked, there was definitely a vibe of uneasiness in the theater and a few people even ran straight for the exits. :shock:

by **metal_bryan** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:23 am

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by **king_ghidorah** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:40 am

Mouth...I think this is a case where taken as a single film, it might be the weakest of the trilogy, but taken as the final part of a trilogy, it's perfect. It hammers home all of the important messages of the series, it completes the character arcs, and it concludes the narrative of the trilogy as a whole. Now, I've often bemoaned series like Harry Potter because of how inaccesable they are later in the series. You can't just jump into them and watch them if you haven't seen the others. As complete films, they fail enitrely. I'd hessitate to even call them films because I loathe them so much.

Anywho, the great thing about TDKR is that it does work as a singular film, but it works BETTER as the endcap of a trilogy.

The film is "clunky" at times...yes...but I feel that in almost every case, the clunkyness of the film works as a one, two punch. The film convinces you that you're just seeing something that you've seen before and then it surprises you or does something new.

I still think this film has the best Batman intro ever, and that comes after a relatively quiet period in the film where there's no actioon for a long period of time.

John Blake's real name bothers me a little bit, as it'll be kind of wierd if he does take up that mantle that he's essentially going by his first name...BUT, I like the reveal as a whole and I'm ok with it. The way he swings into the cave is pure Robin

I really want at least one solo John Blake film, then reboot Batman or whatever. I think I'd prefer him as Robin as opposed to a New Batman. Nightwing could work too...maybe if he ever takes on a sidekick. I have to say, the Nolan-verse version of Robin might be one of my favorite Robins ever, if not my very favorite.

by **MekaGojira3k** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:18 am

The thing with Tate got huge gasps in both showings I saw. I even heard someone yelled "THAT "OH GODZILLA! WHAT TERRIBLE LANGUAGE!"!"

As for the Blake's real name thing, I think they just went with the obvious Robin because A. He's really an amalgam of other Robins and B. A lot of people might have not picked up on it.

As for the court scene Scarecrow is perfect for it. Personally I don't think Joker would have gone along with Bane's plans at all. It doesn't suit his character to just sit there and do court proceedings even if they all end in killing somebody. I also don't buy into it being written for Joker since I imagine much of this was developed after Heath died.

And for the ending I kind of think Batman actually died. I know there's the autopilot comment and what Alfred supposedly saw. At the same time when you watch the film the Bat heads out over the water, and you cut back to Batman in the Bat cockpit, and cut back to it even further out. There's no time for him to escape.

by **king_ghidorah** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:22 am

I agree with all points.

Also, I'm pretty sure I knew who Blake's real identity was when I saw the letter he passed down to the cops in the sewer...I'm pretty sure it was signed with his real name.

Also, I like Bane's protection of innocence and children. He does a head nod in the stock exchange to a kid, his scene in the prison when he's protecting a child and his comment about the kid singing the national anthem. Just another layer to him to make him less of a stock villain

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