Ok, lets say the people from the future didn't return back in time to Japan in 1991. How would the Heisei Godzilla films turn out?
For one, Godzilla would never have reawaken and would never be seen again. King Ghidorah wouldn't have been created, so there would be no Mecha King Ghidorah, which would lead to no MechaGodzilla and no MOGERA. Battra and Mothra would awaken in 1992 and who knows if they would become allies (Battra did almost kill Mothra in their battle over Yokohama). Battra would fly off to destroy the meteorite that would hit earth in 1999. Rodan would raise Godzilla Jr. Space Godzilla would take over the world. Then Destroyah would appear and who knows ... maybe SpaceGodzilla would fight Destroyah? Who would win? And what about Rodan, Godzilla Jr., and Mothra (If she's alive)? What would they do?
Heh, looks like the people in the future returning and causing all of the things they did was the best thing that happened to Japan.
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Let's say the time travel events in G vs KG didn't happen...
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Let's say the time travel events in G vs KG didn't happen...
by Legacy_Of_Gamera » Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:57 pm
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by CyHunter » Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:51 pm
Hmm...well see my short little story "PARADOX: 1992" in the fanfic section for how I feel about this. But basically, I think:
1. Godzilla would eventually reawaken from his ANEB attack, probably around 1993 in time to fight Mothra (but he'd be 20 meters shorter)
2. Mothra would defeat Goji as she did and carry G-cells into space
3. Events of GvsMG'93 would never take place, as without Mecha-King Ghidorah there would be no MG. However, Rodan and baby G could still be around
4. SpaceGodzilla comes to earth, but without the help of MOGUERA Godzilla is defeated and both him and Baby G are killed
5. Earth is conquered by SpaceGodzilla
6. The end as Destroyer is never created
7. Or is it? Perhaps the alien part of SG is killed by our germs and thus the world is left kaiju-less until the return of Mothra
1. Godzilla would eventually reawaken from his ANEB attack, probably around 1993 in time to fight Mothra (but he'd be 20 meters shorter)
2. Mothra would defeat Goji as she did and carry G-cells into space
3. Events of GvsMG'93 would never take place, as without Mecha-King Ghidorah there would be no MG. However, Rodan and baby G could still be around
4. SpaceGodzilla comes to earth, but without the help of MOGUERA Godzilla is defeated and both him and Baby G are killed
5. Earth is conquered by SpaceGodzilla
6. The end as Destroyer is never created
7. Or is it? Perhaps the alien part of SG is killed by our germs and thus the world is left kaiju-less until the return of Mothra
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by angilas » Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:59 pm
hey CY hunter, what if Godzilla doesnt quite kill rodan, but rodan dissapears for a while, and when G is nearly killed by sg, baby cries for him, Rodan reawakens as fire rodan, and reheals Goji, and the rain is enough to start melting the crystals, while G's death beam finishes the much larger SG...or both G and Rodan try and take him down (perhaps failing)...or maybe mothra is still alive and comes to help..since Battra could go to space, since a smaller G might not be enough to kill it. I think the 3 of them could take out SG. As for destroyah, who knows...but a battle with him, G Junior, Rodan, Mothra, and Goji would rock. plus I guess Super x 3 could still be there to help out. But Ill go check out your fanfic.
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by angilas » Sat Aug 16, 2003 11:58 am
Wait a second, I was just thinking. What would have to eventually turn out is the future the futurians predicted.
Japan is the most powerful country in the world in 400 years, Godzilla never recovers from the ANB virus. And I guess any kaiju that show up would have to be killed, confined, or dissapear. SG might not have even come to earth, since the cosmos said he came just to kill Godzilla (though the reason was so that earth could be conquered). Or perhaps he would come later and one would kill the other, and super x 3 would come to take out the wounded survivor. As for Rodan I guess space goji might kill him and destroy the godzillasaurus egg if it hadn't hatched yet. And I guess he'd go after Mothra too since Mothra would still be around to protect earth unless battra killed it.
But yah anyway the outcome would inevitably be the futurians timeline at the start of GvsKG.
Japan is the most powerful country in the world in 400 years, Godzilla never recovers from the ANB virus. And I guess any kaiju that show up would have to be killed, confined, or dissapear. SG might not have even come to earth, since the cosmos said he came just to kill Godzilla (though the reason was so that earth could be conquered). Or perhaps he would come later and one would kill the other, and super x 3 would come to take out the wounded survivor. As for Rodan I guess space goji might kill him and destroy the godzillasaurus egg if it hadn't hatched yet. And I guess he'd go after Mothra too since Mothra would still be around to protect earth unless battra killed it.
But yah anyway the outcome would inevitably be the futurians timeline at the start of GvsKG.
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by Hairzilla » Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:58 pm
This whole subject would make a great "alternative time line" series!
One thing that definitely seems to be getting overlooked here is the fact that Godzilla was very much alive at the end of G' vs Biollante, with no indication that the Anti Nuclear Bacteria was going to have any signifcant effect on him.
That being the case, before getting to my own time line speculation let me offer this item for consideration [or debate] first: If the Futurians hadn't tried to remove Godzilla from history than that would mean the only Godzilla of the Heisei series would be the one which appeared in 1985. The even more powerful Godzilla would never be [re]created in 1991, and since the events of G' vs Mechagodzilla wouldn't happen Rodan wouldn't give his life energy to Godzilla - making him even stronger yet. Would this change in events have any significant effects on the Heisei series history? Do we all remember what we learned from the Back to the Future trilogy about stuff like this? :teach:
Ok, even if the Futurians hadn't arrived in 1991 one significant comment regarding the future they came from was made in G' vs King Ghidorah that's still important to mention. After Emmi had defected from the Futurians and was explaining the real reason for their mission she says "Actually, Godzilla hasn't been seen since..." before being abruptly cut off. And although Emmi never finishes her story she definitely conveys the feeling that Godzilla had ceased to be a threat to Japan at some point. [Especially since she explains that Japan grows to become the most powerful nation on the planet.]
Since Godzilla obviously survives being injected with the ANB in G' vs Biollante, than many of the events of the Heisei series time line would still occur, but with some potential differences.
The events of G' vs Queen Mothra would generally unfold as before. The meteor which awakened both Godzilla and Battra would still hit the earth, and Mothra would still hatch and confront them. But since it was the '91 Godzilla who ultimately killed Battra, would the final battle neccessarily play out the same way against Godzilla '85? If not, than it's possible Battra might still live to fulfill his purpose and fly off into space to intercept another approaching meteor before it arrived in 1999, leaving Mothra to remain on Earth.
The events set in motion with G' vs Mechagodzilla would never occur. Mechagodzilla wouldn't be created since the technology was based on information gained from Mecha King Ghidorah. [There would doubtlessly be a gazillion "Super X's" tho'!.
] Rodan would also never merge his life essence with Godzilla '91's resulting in his becoming even more powerful and having that super fire blast.
Rodan would be alive and well on his island but "Baby" might not even exist [an idea that many of us fans can only wish for :calvin: ] since it remains unclear whether or not his egg actually belonged to Godzilla '91. And if "Baby" didn't exist events which would draw Rodan away from his territory might never occur. And should Rodan set his sights on Japan he would, of course, end up fighting the military and Godzilla [Don'tcha love it?
] which might possibly put a whole new sequence of events into motion.
Space Godzilla would still be created and arrive on Earth, thanks to the G cells being carried off into space as before. But since the G cells would be those of Godzilla '85 wouldn't it be possible that Space Godzilla might not evolve the same way? Mogera would not be there to help Godzilla '85 defeat Space Godzilla for the same reason that Mechagodzilla wouldn't exist, and Godzilla '85 could possibly lose the battle and be killed. If that happened than four kaiju would remain on Earth: Space Godzilla - who wants to conquer the world, Mothra - who would doubtlessly fight for Earth's survival, Rodan, and soon Destroyah - who would probably just view the other three as enimies to be exterminated.
If Godzilla '85 still destroyed Space Godzilla then Godzilla '85 would instead be one of Earth's four kaiju.
The power within Godzilla '85 might never reach the critical point and cause his final meltdown as it did to Godzilla '91 in G' vs Destroyah. Since it was the Baas Island disaster which was the catalyst for causing Godzilla '91's unstable condition, Godzilla '85 might not be anywhere near the island when it disintegrates since, without "Baby", it wouldn't have become his territory.
The Destroyah creatures would still evolve as before since the Oxygen Destroyer was responsible for bringing them into existance.
Since Godzilla '85 may not suffer the meltdown which killed Godzilla '91 it would definitely be a fight to the death against Destroyah. If Godzilla '85 did manage to be the victor, which might not be the ultimate outcome considering how much damage Destroyah was able to do to the more powerful Godzilla '91, then he would conceivably just continue to exist until such a time as, one way or another, he was no longer a threat to Japan - just like Emmi had begun to explain in G vs King Ghidorah:!:
If Destroyah instead killed Godzilla '85 then the "battle for Earth" between Mothra, Space Godzilla, Destroyah, and Rodan would probably be on, and what a potentially cool battle it could be! I think that it would easily come down to Space Godzilla vs Destroyah. I mean, what chance would an oversized moth and pteranodon really have against those two? And there you have it! My head hurts.... :goofy:
One thing that definitely seems to be getting overlooked here is the fact that Godzilla was very much alive at the end of G' vs Biollante, with no indication that the Anti Nuclear Bacteria was going to have any signifcant effect on him.
That being the case, before getting to my own time line speculation let me offer this item for consideration [or debate] first: If the Futurians hadn't tried to remove Godzilla from history than that would mean the only Godzilla of the Heisei series would be the one which appeared in 1985. The even more powerful Godzilla would never be [re]created in 1991, and since the events of G' vs Mechagodzilla wouldn't happen Rodan wouldn't give his life energy to Godzilla - making him even stronger yet. Would this change in events have any significant effects on the Heisei series history? Do we all remember what we learned from the Back to the Future trilogy about stuff like this? :teach:
Ok, even if the Futurians hadn't arrived in 1991 one significant comment regarding the future they came from was made in G' vs King Ghidorah that's still important to mention. After Emmi had defected from the Futurians and was explaining the real reason for their mission she says "Actually, Godzilla hasn't been seen since..." before being abruptly cut off. And although Emmi never finishes her story she definitely conveys the feeling that Godzilla had ceased to be a threat to Japan at some point. [Especially since she explains that Japan grows to become the most powerful nation on the planet.]
Since Godzilla obviously survives being injected with the ANB in G' vs Biollante, than many of the events of the Heisei series time line would still occur, but with some potential differences.
The events of G' vs Queen Mothra would generally unfold as before. The meteor which awakened both Godzilla and Battra would still hit the earth, and Mothra would still hatch and confront them. But since it was the '91 Godzilla who ultimately killed Battra, would the final battle neccessarily play out the same way against Godzilla '85? If not, than it's possible Battra might still live to fulfill his purpose and fly off into space to intercept another approaching meteor before it arrived in 1999, leaving Mothra to remain on Earth.
The events set in motion with G' vs Mechagodzilla would never occur. Mechagodzilla wouldn't be created since the technology was based on information gained from Mecha King Ghidorah. [There would doubtlessly be a gazillion "Super X's" tho'!.
] Rodan would also never merge his life essence with Godzilla '91's resulting in his becoming even more powerful and having that super fire blast.
Rodan would be alive and well on his island but "Baby" might not even exist [an idea that many of us fans can only wish for :calvin: ] since it remains unclear whether or not his egg actually belonged to Godzilla '91. And if "Baby" didn't exist events which would draw Rodan away from his territory might never occur. And should Rodan set his sights on Japan he would, of course, end up fighting the military and Godzilla [Don'tcha love it?
] which might possibly put a whole new sequence of events into motion.
Space Godzilla would still be created and arrive on Earth, thanks to the G cells being carried off into space as before. But since the G cells would be those of Godzilla '85 wouldn't it be possible that Space Godzilla might not evolve the same way? Mogera would not be there to help Godzilla '85 defeat Space Godzilla for the same reason that Mechagodzilla wouldn't exist, and Godzilla '85 could possibly lose the battle and be killed. If that happened than four kaiju would remain on Earth: Space Godzilla - who wants to conquer the world, Mothra - who would doubtlessly fight for Earth's survival, Rodan, and soon Destroyah - who would probably just view the other three as enimies to be exterminated.
If Godzilla '85 still destroyed Space Godzilla then Godzilla '85 would instead be one of Earth's four kaiju.
The power within Godzilla '85 might never reach the critical point and cause his final meltdown as it did to Godzilla '91 in G' vs Destroyah. Since it was the Baas Island disaster which was the catalyst for causing Godzilla '91's unstable condition, Godzilla '85 might not be anywhere near the island when it disintegrates since, without "Baby", it wouldn't have become his territory.
The Destroyah creatures would still evolve as before since the Oxygen Destroyer was responsible for bringing them into existance.
Since Godzilla '85 may not suffer the meltdown which killed Godzilla '91 it would definitely be a fight to the death against Destroyah. If Godzilla '85 did manage to be the victor, which might not be the ultimate outcome considering how much damage Destroyah was able to do to the more powerful Godzilla '91, then he would conceivably just continue to exist until such a time as, one way or another, he was no longer a threat to Japan - just like Emmi had begun to explain in G vs King Ghidorah:!:
If Destroyah instead killed Godzilla '85 then the "battle for Earth" between Mothra, Space Godzilla, Destroyah, and Rodan would probably be on, and what a potentially cool battle it could be! I think that it would easily come down to Space Godzilla vs Destroyah. I mean, what chance would an oversized moth and pteranodon really have against those two? And there you have it! My head hurts.... :goofy:
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by 234fanatical » Thu Aug 28, 2003 12:24 am
This will always be the most confusing part of the Heisei series. Not that i don't understand
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Re: Let's say the time travel events in G vs KG didn't happe
by SparkieGojira » Thu Aug 28, 2003 7:35 am
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by Invictus » Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:49 am
I've been over this before, so I'll forgo the details, but from my understanding, without the Futurains there would have been no Heisei Godzilla. The Futurains moved the Godzillasaurs to an area, where in the late 70's a Russian nuclear sub sank, thus creating the 1984 Godzilla (and explaining the size difference and appearence of the 1984 Godzilla and the 1954 Godzilla) which ended up fighting Biolantte. That Godzilla was then taken out by the ANB, and in an attempt to 'recreate' Godzilla, a nuclear sub was sent, which Godzilla then destroyed and absorb so much nuclear radiation, it increased his size and strength.
In essense, without the Futurians, the Heisei Godzilla would not have existed to attack in 1984, thus Biolantte would have never been created, and Space Godzilla would have never come into existance. That's my theory, but it's not as interesting as yours.
In essense, without the Futurians, the Heisei Godzilla would not have existed to attack in 1984, thus Biolantte would have never been created, and Space Godzilla would have never come into existance. That's my theory, but it's not as interesting as yours.
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by Pound Sign Man » Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:48 pm
Okay...
Wiping GvKG completely, Godzilla is still recovering from GvB. In 1992, the people go to Infant Island as in GvM, and Mothra's egg going to Japan to be put on display, but en route is destroyed by Battra. Battra goes off and destroys the asteroid, but unknowingly brings some Mothra cells into space with him. These Mothra cells are thrown into a black hole.
Battra, after successfully destroying the asteroid comes back to Earth, and goes into hibernation until the next time Earth's destruction is immenant.
Baby Godzilla's egg is found and studied. It hatches, and cries out. The cries awaken Godzilla, who must now search for the other of his species. Baby's step-brother Rodan is confused, and destroys a few cities trying to find Baby.
Meanwhile, a mutant stinger-shooting, crystal-decorated Space Mothra comes to earth to find the being that once destroyed her. Battra senses this and awakens to save the Earth.
Somehow, Godzilla, (not Fire) Rodan, Battra, and Space Mothra end up on the island that Baby is being studied, and a battle ensues. Godzilla and Rodan are forced to become allies through the psychic communication of Baby. They fight alongside Battra, who they sense is a monster of Earth. Space Mothra is powerful, but the new team seems to have an advantae. Unfortunately, the G-Cell brought into space by Biollante have created Space Godzilla, who descends to earth and takes side with it's black hole sister.
The battle to determine Earth's fate begins.
Do you know how fun it was to come up with that?? This is great. We should do it more often1
Wiping GvKG completely, Godzilla is still recovering from GvB. In 1992, the people go to Infant Island as in GvM, and Mothra's egg going to Japan to be put on display, but en route is destroyed by Battra. Battra goes off and destroys the asteroid, but unknowingly brings some Mothra cells into space with him. These Mothra cells are thrown into a black hole.
Battra, after successfully destroying the asteroid comes back to Earth, and goes into hibernation until the next time Earth's destruction is immenant.
Baby Godzilla's egg is found and studied. It hatches, and cries out. The cries awaken Godzilla, who must now search for the other of his species. Baby's step-brother Rodan is confused, and destroys a few cities trying to find Baby.
Meanwhile, a mutant stinger-shooting, crystal-decorated Space Mothra comes to earth to find the being that once destroyed her. Battra senses this and awakens to save the Earth.
Somehow, Godzilla, (not Fire) Rodan, Battra, and Space Mothra end up on the island that Baby is being studied, and a battle ensues. Godzilla and Rodan are forced to become allies through the psychic communication of Baby. They fight alongside Battra, who they sense is a monster of Earth. Space Mothra is powerful, but the new team seems to have an advantae. Unfortunately, the G-Cell brought into space by Biollante have created Space Godzilla, who descends to earth and takes side with it's black hole sister.
The battle to determine Earth's fate begins.
Do you know how fun it was to come up with that?? This is great. We should do it more often1
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by Khandejifer » Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:55 pm
If the time travel events in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah never happened. The Godzilla that appeared from 1984-1995 wouldn't exist. Heisei Goji was created, when the Futurians took the Godzillasaurus, and moved to another area. That Godzillasaurus was not the Godzilla from 1954. So, the one the futurians moved absorbed nuclear energy in the 1970s, and it became Heisei Goji... and blah blah blah.
Keep in mind when reading this, that I did not create this theory, someone else did. And it helps us understand why everyone remembered the Godzilla from 1954 when the futurians supposedly changed the timeline.
EDIT: So, now the Heisei Godzilla wouldn't exist. Mothra and Battra still would. Battra would probably fly into space, to get ready for the meteor. The microrganisms that were mutated by the oxygen destroyer, would become Destoroyah/Destroyer. And maybe, just maybe, Mothra and Battra would fight it. Possibly get killed. And Destoroyah's oxygen destroying ablilities would probably destroy the Earth. Or something like this.... This segment here, in which I have edited into my post, is what I think could have happened, if the time travel events didn't occur.
Keep in mind when reading this, that I did not create this theory, someone else did. And it helps us understand why everyone remembered the Godzilla from 1954 when the futurians supposedly changed the timeline.
EDIT: So, now the Heisei Godzilla wouldn't exist. Mothra and Battra still would. Battra would probably fly into space, to get ready for the meteor. The microrganisms that were mutated by the oxygen destroyer, would become Destoroyah/Destroyer. And maybe, just maybe, Mothra and Battra would fight it. Possibly get killed. And Destoroyah's oxygen destroying ablilities would probably destroy the Earth. Or something like this.... This segment here, in which I have edited into my post, is what I think could have happened, if the time travel events didn't occur.
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