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Old School Metallica vs New School Metallica
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Old School Metallica vs New School Metallica
by sir darion x » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:27 pm
hands down old school metallica in my opinion
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by zekend01 » Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:41 pm
Cliff-talica is the only metalica that really rocked. Newsted-tallica was WAY to hit and miss. I don't even care about what was left after he got fired.
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by zekend01 » Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:43 am
Kaiju fan. I was refering to Jason getting fired, not cliff. I was a fan of Metallica when Cliff was still alive. I saw them perform during the 'Master of Puppets' tour opening for Ozzy. The band hasn't been the same since. I can't stand Lars... egomanical whelp.
Metalliza, you bring up some good points but I don't think Metallica would have gone in near the same direction they did if Cliff had lived. I believe that his personality is what you hear on Ride the Lightning and more so on Master of Puppets. Cliff was a bad ass musician, more so than James and Cliff's musicianship was really asserting itself more and more on the records up until he died. He just had that wonderful gift of melody that James didn't have. James admits to have learned ALOT from cliff, such as how harmonies work togather and overall music theory in general. Cliff WAS the creative evolution behind Metallica. James was more of Cliff's student.
I've been playing music (guitar, bass) for 16 years now. I have sheet music/TAB for serveral of the Metallica records. You can see how James' writeing got better with each record (the grindy speed "OH GODZILLA! WHAT TERRIBLE LANGUAGE!" on 'kill' vs the intro guitar solo on 'Fade to black' off of 'Ride'). But compare that to 'Pulling teeth' and the outro bass solo on 'Orion' (not the three note motiffs in F sharp when the song changes in the middle, which is melodic genius BTW!!!, but the distorted bit at the end of the same movement after the two guitars solo- The last solo bit before the hook before the song goes into outro).
Justice for all..., while technically superior, is really kind of limp emotionally when you compare it to the other efforts. I think they were trying to compete with all the other bands at the time. That was the big thing in the late 80's: guitar godism. They were just trying to be relevant and technically better than the rest. Nothing wrong with that music-wise. It was just missing the humanity the Cliff delievered in his writeing. And I'd say that anything melodic on that record was prolly left over from the Cliff days.
The Black Album... A decent novelty to be sure, but there was quite a bit of musical postureing on that album. They wanted that good 'ol $$$ I think. Cliff would have been more concerned about the song-as-craft. I really think that Cliff would hve gone on his own if he'd have lived.
But from there Metalica just went SHITHOUSE. I don't consider it linear 'evolution' so much as several steps back and off into left field. The direction it went in was just, well... direction-less. Too bad I guess. Maybe a bus will fall on Lars next
I'm sure the band could be improved by his sudden and utter demise.
Metalliza, you bring up some good points but I don't think Metallica would have gone in near the same direction they did if Cliff had lived. I believe that his personality is what you hear on Ride the Lightning and more so on Master of Puppets. Cliff was a bad ass musician, more so than James and Cliff's musicianship was really asserting itself more and more on the records up until he died. He just had that wonderful gift of melody that James didn't have. James admits to have learned ALOT from cliff, such as how harmonies work togather and overall music theory in general. Cliff WAS the creative evolution behind Metallica. James was more of Cliff's student.
I've been playing music (guitar, bass) for 16 years now. I have sheet music/TAB for serveral of the Metallica records. You can see how James' writeing got better with each record (the grindy speed "OH GODZILLA! WHAT TERRIBLE LANGUAGE!" on 'kill' vs the intro guitar solo on 'Fade to black' off of 'Ride'). But compare that to 'Pulling teeth' and the outro bass solo on 'Orion' (not the three note motiffs in F sharp when the song changes in the middle, which is melodic genius BTW!!!, but the distorted bit at the end of the same movement after the two guitars solo- The last solo bit before the hook before the song goes into outro).
Justice for all..., while technically superior, is really kind of limp emotionally when you compare it to the other efforts. I think they were trying to compete with all the other bands at the time. That was the big thing in the late 80's: guitar godism. They were just trying to be relevant and technically better than the rest. Nothing wrong with that music-wise. It was just missing the humanity the Cliff delievered in his writeing. And I'd say that anything melodic on that record was prolly left over from the Cliff days.
The Black Album... A decent novelty to be sure, but there was quite a bit of musical postureing on that album. They wanted that good 'ol $$$ I think. Cliff would have been more concerned about the song-as-craft. I really think that Cliff would hve gone on his own if he'd have lived.
But from there Metalica just went SHITHOUSE. I don't consider it linear 'evolution' so much as several steps back and off into left field. The direction it went in was just, well... direction-less. Too bad I guess. Maybe a bus will fall on Lars next
I'm sure the band could be improved by his sudden and utter demise."If you can take the hot lead enema, then you can cast the first stone." - Lenny Bruce
http://www.myspace.com/cretinfunk
http://www.myspace.com/prometheuscomplex
http://www.myspace.com/cretinfunk
http://www.myspace.com/prometheuscomplex
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