the Why I Don't Like GMK thread (heavily moderated)

[william newell]

I know that I personally would rather see just 10 minutes of Godzilla in a well made movie than I would seeing him for an hour in a movie that sucked, so to me the whole "how much screen time did he get" argument just doesn't hold water, at least to me...I guess what it really boils down to is if you enjoyed the story and the characters. Personally, I found the story to be thought prevoking(the first time I could say that about a G film for a good long while) and the characters engaging and believable. But if you didn't enjoy either one....then I guess this threads for you!!!:)

[DannyBeane]

Ok I am not going to reply to everyone's posts because frankly I don't have the patience to respond to everyone and dissect their posts and I don't care that much. I don't care if you guys like GMK. You can prove me wrong on how this is a film is a masterpiece till your blue in the face. I don't care I still feel Kaneko did a sloppy job on this film and is highly over rated. Fine you want a story that's engaging? So do I. However GMK did not engage me. I have fallen asleep several times through it. If it engages you ok awesome. I still think the story blows. Second yes I enjoy Jaws despite the fact that you barely see him. However for Jaws it works for me. I can accept that. However Kaneko's Jaws like take on Godzilla didn't work for me as the drama and suspense Jaws had wasn't there. Ok so I've shown that I dislike most of the drama leading up to Godzilla's great unveiling so the monster action should save this movie right? For me it doesn't. The Baragon fight was the only fight I enjoyed. It had weight to it and was engaging. Mothra's fight sucked. Mothra basicall flies around gets nuked flies around and gets swatted out of the sky and then flies around again and get's nuked again and it just didn't have any weight to it. Same deal with KG. King Ghidorah the 1000 year dragon gets revived. Ooh this has gotta be good. What was KG just knocked unconcious? Oh yay Mothra is finally dead and is transferring it's life force into KG he's getting a power up. Now he's just shot off a giant fire ball knocking goji into the bay this is starting to get interesting... crap he's knocked unconcious again *yawn*. Oh gee he got another powerup I wonder how this is going to work. Oh look the powerup was worthless as Godzilla is absorbing his ray's yay he's finally dead for good. Glad that's over... not. Seriously though Kaneko sucks at kaiju fights. And yeah I liked GFW and it has many of the flaws GMK has yadayada. I don't care. For having the exact same flaws as GMK, final wars still entertained me a million times more as it wasn't weighted down by crappy human drama. It was just a mindless action film with no major message yes. But it was still entertaining to me unlike the snooze fest GMK. Whatever I'm done. GMK still blows though.

[anguirus23]

^ I actually agree with you on the extreme disappointment of the final battle...however it doesn't seem to have soured me on the movie as a whole as it has with you.

[Brendosaurus]

I enjoyed GMK overall, but I didn't really care for the possessed Godzilla story angle.

[Kailem]

*Has gained a new appreciation for the Hunter that is Cy*

[CyHunter]

[mechakingghidorah]

[china]

[FU Rogner]

The reason I started this thread was two fold. One was because I was tired of seeing people taking pot shots at GMK in other threads and forums and didn't want to get into long off topic threads trying to figure out the reason behind the attacks on GMK.

The second reason I was hoping that people would actually post more then, "It sucks", and "I hate it". Some have, and I might not agree with their reasons, But I can better understand why they don't like the film.

Major Complaints:

Godzilla Suit Problems: Beer gut, bent neck, looks like a pluck chicken, etc.. I will admit the suit is far from perfect and some shots really showed off some of it's flaws. That being said I think Kaneko was able to hide many of the flaws most of the time. I loved the size difference between Godzilla and Baragon, to often the kaiju seem to be roughly the same size, or Godzilla was the short one, this was a nice change. I loved the head, the white eyes, the teeth, and the use of the breath as something more then a spark creator. The suit had great movement and produce the best fight since GVKG, possible since the Showa era. I will take the flaws the GMK suit has over the stiff immobile suits from the rest of the Millennium Series (other then GFW).

Evil Godzilla: People can debate whether or not Godzilla was evil in previous films till the cows come home. Personally the way Godzilla ripped through the power-lines to get to Tokyo in the original provided he wanted to burn Tokyo. But there is no doubt that Godzilla was Evil in GMK, and to me that is a triumph of the film. But if people can't get pass it, and want the hero or anti-hero version, that is their choice.

Treatment of KG: This is such a touchy subject, cause by all rights KG shouldn't have even been in the film, Mothra either. But this was Toho choice. And over all I like the way Kaneko handled KG. I like the weak version that kept getting stronger each incarnation, trying to over come Godzilla. Heck I like the GMK version of KG better then Desghidorah, Cretaceous KG, and Grand KG.

Spirits of the Dead: For me this angle really took Godzilla back to the roots of the 1st film. Provide a reason for the rampage both is 54 and in GMK, gave an interesting background for the guardian spirits as well. Yet some people can't expect this concept, yet some find Godzilla rampaging over his bones a far superior approach.

Not enough Kaiju Action: Takes to long for Godzilla to appear, battles to short and to long of stretches in between. Sure it takes awhile for Godzilla to appear, but once he does the action follows him pretty close. Yeah you cut to the human drama, but it revolves around following Godzilla trail of destruction, or attempts to stop Godzilla. I will take this over, he appears at the beginning of the film, disappears somehow, then shows up again, and disappears again, then shows up for the final battle, formula anytime.

The Human plot is boring: If you are only watching for the kaiju action, sure I can see how you might think that. But over all the human story helped the viewer understand what was happening. The BS crew gathering clues, understanding the concept of the guardian monsters, and Godzilla return (with the help of an old man that turned out to be a spirit himself in the end). The militaries attempt to stop Godzilla. And tying both these together with the father / daughter / generation gap element.

[kiryugoji04]

[FU Rogner]

[Master Fwiffo]

[kiryugoji04]

[Master Fwiffo]

[Master Fwiffo]

[FU Rogner]

[DannyBeane]

[BrianBuck]

[china]

[el-brazo]

[anguirus23]

[el-brazo]

@anguirus23:

> What makes you say that? I thought it was, to be honest.

They're meeting in his car somewhere outside the village and in the middle of the night. She says something like "you're handsome, village master" to him. Upon being discovered by the young bikers both try to hide their faces because they don't want to be recognized by them.

[anguirus23]

Eh. Maybe his wife just likes cars and thinks her husband is handsome. And if I was, say, mayor of a small town, being recognized by a much of violent youths, possibly gang members, is not conducive to long-term health.

Of course, you're probably right. I just hadn't thought of it that way...interesting!

[Master Fwiffo]

[CyHunter]