Are you voting today?

[Dr Kain]

Forget who won president wise, I was just informed that all of the things that were going to increase funding for education passed in CO. YES!!!!!

[Benjamin Haines]

[Tom R VanSlambrouck]

[Gargantuan Gargantua]

[Dr Kain]

[king_ghidorah]

[jellydonut25]

The overly negative reactions to either candidate are quite simply idiotic. Mitt Romney is a monster? Please. That is LITERALLY the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say, Mouth. Just like the people who insist that Obama is a communist, or an Islamic fundamentalist whose secret agenda is to destroy Christianity.

I am supremely disappointed with the election results as a rather staunch conservative...and honestly, most of my disappointment comes from my personal belief that we needed some change and it felt like incumbents won as long as they were running. This is particularly disappointing (though not at all unexpected) in a state like California which is possibly the most economically effed state in the country and yet didn't bring in a new face, but I appreciate that I live in a country where such a seemingly volatile election can go smoothly and I don't have to worry about rioting if one or another person wins or loses.

And hey look, the sky is still firmly in place up there, so I guess that's something.

[jellydonut25]

I have counterpoints to basically everything you posted (and then deleted?), but I don't wanna get too heated.

I just think (still do, even after that post) that "monster" is beyond pushing it and is just sounding off in an over-exaggerated way about someone whose ideals don't line up with your own.

Obama pisses me off in so very many ways. His values system is almost entirely contrary to mine, and I personally believe this country is worse-off for ever having elected him in the first place.

but I'm not gonna call him a soulless villain who appeals to the lowest common denominator by demonizing money and belittling the American dream, all while wanting to destroy the very fabric of economical independence and capitalism that made this country so great in the first place in a massive effort to make us look weak and allow his fellow terrorist Islamic brethren to gain supremacy of the planet using his secret cache of moon sapphires.

He's just a jerk.

[MouthForWar]

Well since you already responded, I guess it would be unfair to not comment back, even though I already deleted my first comment (as I said, I don't like to get political, either online OR in real life).

Is Obama a jerk? I think a lot of factors would point to "yes," so I'll leave that there. Still, even with the things I've been disappointed in him for, there are also a lot of things that I thought he handled very well... Hell, I wouldn't even be in school right now if not for his pell grants.

I'm more conservative when it comes to fiscal matters, but my feelings on women's rights, gay marriage, the separation of church and state, education, clean energy, etc. are all extremely strong and much more left leaning. When it comes to civil liberties and personal freedoms, I get very defensive and no amount of "smaller spending" or proposed tax cuts promised by the Right will sway me the other way.

My line of thinking: You cannot take away a woman's right to her own body. You cannot use hate mongering to try and keep the Gay Community from their rights. You cannot dismiss or ignore minorities or women. You cannot force your religious doctrine on people. You cannot shill for the rich only. You cannot outsource jobs for profit nor can you slash money for educators and education. You can't play step and fetch to big oil. You cannot use failed economic ideas repackaged and expect them to work.

And Paul Ryan being in cahoots with all those "Pregnancy by rape is god's will" clowns is another matter entirely. And you certainly can't say abortion is a sin if you think rape is god's will.

Then you throw in hateful Tea Partiers (now THOSE people frighten me to my very core) who back them, lobby with them, throw them money, and get put in positions of power... sorry, man, not havin it. I rarely even consider picking one side over the other (both are majorly screwy IMO and I wish we had more than 2 parties). But Mitt Romney might as well have come out of a "stereotypical rich white guy" factory.

And I just don't agree with the Ayn Randian philosophy or the Bible pushing of the current Republican party (and I know many conservatives and Republicans who don't share those views either).

So I'm happy to say good f*cking riddance.

Now keep in mind that I could sound off on Obama too, but since I was more or less called an idiot for my Romney comments, I felt I should elaborate. That said, I'm about 50/50 on Obama (AT BEST), whereas I was about 5/95 on Romney. And I'm glad i made the choice I did at the polls. I'm not a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Green or any of em. I vote with my gut and that's how its always been.

Not trying to start a heated debate or change anybody's mind. But I felt like I should at least state my position if I'm going to have it called "idiotic"

[jellydonut25]

"jerk" was being used sarcastically...hence the " "

I was trying to signify that I think the accusations of "hate mongering" and "deprival of rights", etc are WAY overblown, and smack of, "you don't believe what I do, therefore you are EVIL".

hence: "Obama is not a communist, he's just a jerk. LOL"


I still think it's far and away the dumbest thing I've ever seen you post...and I still think that accusations of "evil" and "monster" are so supremely overblown as to be ALMOST comical. Not a single politician in this country that has any modicum of success (and let's be honest, if you are running for the PRESIDENCY, you have some past success) has the gall to be an evil monster from beyond the deepest nether regions of hell...and I maintain that it is stupid to think such a thing.

I'm not calling you stupid, I've seen enough of your posts over the years to know you aren't a dumb guy....but even smart people can say/do/think silly things.

(perhaps interesting[?] side-note...when I was getting married, I was always told when fighting with my wife, to say "what you DID was stupid!" or "that was a stupid thing to say" and never "you're so stupid" because criticizing a person is much more hurtful than criticizing a statement/action)


if the difference is that hard to distinguish, then this thread should probably just get locked...there's not much point in discussing things if "he's EVIL because he doesn't believe what I do" is the way this is gonna go...

[MouthForWar]

I dunno, I think the general homophobia of the current GOP, and things like banning gay marriage (and denial of the benefits of gay partners) and telling women what they can and can't do kind of impose on the rights of those individuals.

Perhaps using words like "monster" or even "hate mongering" (although I truly believe the latter in some instances) are hyperbolic, but I honestly do believe there is some denial of basic civil rights going on.

[king_ghidorah]

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[jellydonut25]

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[king_ghidorah]

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[MekaGojira3k]

[king_ghidorah]

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