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When I first saw Godzilla vs King Ghidorah 1991, I hated it. I thought it was an American bashing, goofy, time traveling MESS.

I've mellowed with age and I have a lot more interest in the film. What I thought was American bashing were actually attempts at humor to lighten the mood of the WW2 stuff up.

But, the Time travel stuff in this movie still makes no damn sense...

OK the time travelers remove the Gojisaurus and put the Dorats in place so that history creates King Ghidorah instead of Godzilla.

But, when they get back to the present, everyone should have completely forgotten Goji, but he is still being talked about etc...

Now you could write this up as only those people who were on the mission remember Godzilla. Except his book publisher calls him about the Godzilla book he is writing.

Now, if everyone remembering Godzilla was a product of theie mission failing, shouldn't they have then realized that they failed to wipe Godzilla out of history?

Further confusion ensues when we learn that the Dinosaur was now mutated via a product of spilled Atoomic waste, making it a modern nuclear creature.

How Modern?

How does that affect the history established in G54 and G84?

Has Ghidorah been a threat to humanity since the 1950's? If he is supposed to be so powerful and unstoppable, how come he wasn't able to destroy the Earth over a period of 40 years?

Why do they keep insisting Godzilla looks larger when he clearly looks the same as when the movie started?

I'm so confused.

-Ray

It doesn't make a lick of sense, however, I do believe that, like in GRA, the Heisei Godzilla is supposed to be a different beast then the one from 1954 who was killed by the Oxygen Destroyer.

So, even if they prevented the creation of the 2nd Godzilla, people would still remember Godzilla '54.

even easier is the theory that the godzillasaurus was NOT Godzilla. the time travellers got it wrong.

David

Alas, the ever-returning question...


GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH and the HEISEI TIMELINE
Author: Keith Aiken, SciFi Japan http://www.scifijapan.com/

"Kazuki Omori is a very sloppy writer, but GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH does fit within the Heisei timeline without ruining or contradicting the other films. Just saying the movie is not part of continuity or that it erases the events in GODZILLA 1985 and BIOLLANTE may be easy, but it's not accurate according to Toho. Since they make and own these movies it's their call. With a little effort, seeing how the pieces fit together is not too hard.

There are a few things the viewer needs to keep in mind regarding the Heisei films:
1. Toho says the timeline included G54 and G85-to DESTOROYAH. That's it, no adding or cutting of movies.
2. A good explanation should not contradict anything shown in any of those movies.
3. The viewer should add as little guesswork to the story as possible. Any explanation that requires a lot of fan-created events never shown onscreen is junk IMO.

Combining sloppy writing and time travel is just asking for problems, but if you follow the 3 'rules' above the Heisei Godzilla timeline goes like this:

GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH picks up with Godzilla still weakened by the ANB virus from GODZILLA VS BIOLLANTE. During the military conference early in GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH Miki states that Godzilla is so weak he hasn't moved from his resting place in the Sea of Japan in nearly 3 years.

The Futurians appear in 1992. They have a book written by reporter Kenichiro Terasawa that theorizes that Godzilla was created from a dinosaur that was discovered on Lagos Island during WWII. The Futurians say that their own analysis shows a 90% chance the Terasawa is right. Two things contradict that; Yamane's theory behind G54 in the original GODZILLA (which was conceived by Godzilla’s creators Ishiro Honda and Tomoyuki Tanaka with writer Takeo Murata), and the events in DESTOROYAH (also written by Omori, the writer/director of GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH) that prove the 54 and 84-95 Godzillas are two different beasts. If the Lagos dinosaur was G54, then preventing its transformation into Godzilla would have zero effect on G84. The Futurians’ plan is flawed from the start.

The Futurians say that Godzilla will soon revive and attack nuclear power plants, causing fallout that will make Japan uninhabitable for centuries. Emi later tells Terasawa that this is a lie; in her time Godzilla had never recovered from the ANB. For all intents and purposes he was beaten. The Futurians real plan was to take over Japan before it could become the most powerful nation on earth.

The group travels back in time to 1944. Miki senses that the dinosaur is Godzilla, but she has never met the 1954 Godzilla. Of course she recognizes it as the Godzilla she encountered in GODZILLA VS BIOLLANTE.

The wounded dinosaur is teleported to the Bering Sea in 1944. It is NOT transported thru time as many people incorrectly assume.

The group returns to 1992 to find things are exactly the same as when they left, and everyone still remembers Godzilla (you think that would be a tip off). Futurian leader Wilson receives a report from the Japanese Self Defense Force that Godzilla is no longer in the Sea of Japan (you think he'd bother to check for himself, but he doesn't). This is easily explained; Godzilla simply moved. In Omori's GODZILLA VS BIOLLANTE the JSDF cannot track Godzilla when he is moving underwater. This was shown at the mid-point of that film; watch the scene where they expected Godzilla to attack Tokyo and were caught completely off-guard when he surfaced near Osaka instead.

The Futurians betray everyone, and Shindo's nuclear sub heads to the Bering to attempt to recreate Godzilla from the dinosaur.

Miki senses Godzilla (not the dinosaur) moving slowly in the Bering Sea, which further proves Godzilla was not removed from history. This surprises Terasawa, so he does some research and finds a newspaper report on a nuclear submarine that sank in the Bering Sea in the 1970s. This nuclear accident is what mutated the dinosaur into the 84 Godzilla; by moving the dinosaur the Futurians didn't “uncreateâ€

Wow, ben, thanks. That really helped a lot. It still doesn't explain why Godzilla blasted Shindo after they had their moment of looking into each other's eyes, but it does explain away any other inconsistencies.


It pretty much does the same thing the Showa era did. Effectively the Goji that appears from Godzilla Raids Again and onward is a new creature. The same is also true of the Heisei Goji, only starting with G84.

Thanks again, it actually, finally makes sense.

-Ray

[quote="Benjamin Haines"]Alas, the ever-returning question...


GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH and the HEISEI TIMELINE
Author: Keith Aiken, SciFi Japan http://www.scifijapan.com/

"Kazuki Omori is a very sloppy writer, but GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH does fit within the Heisei timeline without ruining or contradicting the other films. Just saying the movie is not part of continuity or that it erases the events in GODZILLA 1985 and BIOLLANTE may be easy, but it's not accurate according to Toho. Since they make and own these movies it's their call. With a little effort, seeing how the pieces fit together is not too hard.

There are a few things the viewer needs to keep in mind regarding the Heisei films:
1. Toho says the timeline included G54 and G85-to DESTOROYAH. That's it, no adding or cutting of movies.
2. A good explanation should not contradict anything shown in any of those movies.
3. The viewer should add as little guesswork to the story as possible. Any explanation that requires a lot of fan-created events never shown onscreen is junk IMO.

Combining sloppy writing and time travel is just asking for problems, but if you follow the 3 'rules' above the Heisei Godzilla timeline goes like this:

GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH picks up with Godzilla still weakened by the ANB virus from GODZILLA VS BIOLLANTE. During the military conference early in GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH Miki states that Godzilla is so weak he hasn't moved from his resting place in the Sea of Japan in nearly 3 years.

The Futurians appear in 1992. They have a book written by reporter Kenichiro Terasawa that theorizes that Godzilla was created from a dinosaur that was discovered on Lagos Island during WWII. The Futurians say that their own analysis shows a 90% chance the Terasawa is right. Two things contradict that; Yamane's theory behind G54 in the original GODZILLA (which was conceived by Godzilla’s creators Ishiro Honda and Tomoyuki Tanaka with writer Takeo Murata), and the events in DESTOROYAH (also written by Omori, the writer/director of GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH) that prove the 54 and 84-95 Godzillas are two different beasts. If the Lagos dinosaur was G54, then preventing its transformation into Godzilla would have zero effect on G84. The Futurians’ plan is flawed from the start.

The Futurians say that Godzilla will soon revive and attack nuclear power plants, causing fallout that will make Japan uninhabitable for centuries. Emi later tells Terasawa that this is a lie; in her time Godzilla had never recovered from the ANB. For all intents and purposes he was beaten. The Futurians real plan was to take over Japan before it could become the most powerful nation on earth.

The group travels back in time to 1944. Miki senses that the dinosaur is Godzilla, but she has never met the 1954 Godzilla. Of course she recognizes it as the Godzilla she encountered in GODZILLA VS BIOLLANTE.

The wounded dinosaur is teleported to the Bering Sea in 1944. It is NOT transported thru time as many people incorrectly assume.

The group returns to 1992 to find things are exactly the same as when they left, and everyone still remembers Godzilla (you think that would be a tip off). Futurian leader Wilson receives a report from the Japanese Self Defense Force that Godzilla is no longer in the Sea of Japan (you think he'd bother to check for himself, but he doesn't). This is easily explained; Godzilla simply moved. In Omori's GODZILLA VS BIOLLANTE the JSDF cannot track Godzilla when he is moving underwater. This was shown at the mid-point of that film; watch the scene where they expected Godzilla to attack Tokyo and were caught completely off-guard when he surfaced near Osaka instead.

The Futurians betray everyone, and Shindo's nuclear sub heads to the Bering to attempt to recreate Godzilla from the dinosaur.

Miki senses Godzilla (not the dinosaur) moving slowly in the Bering Sea, which further proves Godzilla was not removed from history. This surprises Terasawa, so he does some research and finds a newspaper report on a nuclear submarine that sank in the Bering Sea in the 1970s. This nuclear accident is what mutated the dinosaur into the 84 Godzilla; by moving the dinosaur the Futurians didn't “uncreateâ€

You know what, I like that explanation! G'54 was created by the US H Bomb tests and G'84 was created by time travelers and a nuclear submarine.

Dude, Ben, that was like a super deep reasoning behind Goji blasting Shindo. Good job.

I had to actually ponder that for a bit, but it works really well.

The biggest problem with this movie is that characters do stuff and then make no reaction to what they have done.

All the characters in this movie are represented as highly intelligent individuals. Yet nothing is ever thought about.

The Japanese girl lets the Dorats free (presumably she knows what the radiation will turn them into) and then acts all surprised when her co-conspiraters are using Ghidorah to destroy Japan.

Plus, the Futrians never think to like just teleport the Gojirasaurus into space or something to ENSURE success.

But, the worst case is of course the writer who gets home from re-writing history and never bats an eyelash when he hears the message from his publisher about his Godzilla book.

One simple line from him in that scene such as...

"How can she still know about my Godzilla book?"

Would have eliminated almost any problems people have understanding this movie.

But, not to beat a dead horse, as was already said sloppy writing.

-Ray

If we're going to discuss Godzilla's intelligence in the Heisei films, I've always loved this shot of him giving a very cheeky death smile to the Futurians.