The "Eyes" have it....Godzilla pulled out Hedorah'

[August]

Thank you, El Brazo (and GPO)! Again, Mr. Banno said that they were indeed Hedorium spheres -- this was brought up in a discussion about HEDORAH with Banno, myself and Guy Tucker in Kawakita's Effects Staff Room in the Summer of 1990. Banno was the architect of this film, and also wrote the screenplay (with Kaoru Mabuchi), so I defer to his word -- even if he contradicts himself in the future.

There are a number of things that change between screenplay to storyboards, and things that can change between storyboards and production. As many of you might be aware, things can also change on-set during production. Things can also change in the editing room.

My contention, just an opinion (based on the actual parties' conflicting stories), was that they were originally conceived as the eyes, but when the film was shot, it was changed to Hedorium.

Anyhow, even if they were eyes, it's disturbing that Godzilla would rip them out, since Banno said that the design of Hedorah's eyes (as seen in his ugly mug), was based on female genitalia (he also stated this in an interview for Hi-Ho magazine a couple of years back)... Ponder the implications of that one!

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Hedrium spheres? .....
Teruyoshi Nakano, when asked by myself and fellow Goon squad member Quist at AFFE 3, did indeed say that they were Hedorah's eyeballs. Like others , I always assumed they were eggs as well. If the creature was constantly changing/growing deadlier during the film, As a little brat it was easy to believe that it somehow developed the ability to start producing it's own eggs, and the little Smog monster hatchlings would be even cooler than the parent. Well, now we all know what they were supposed to be. However, in my own mind in the interest of keeping childhood memories alive, I will still pretend they are eggs.

Oh yeah, then after he pulled out the "eyeballs", he pulled out a little baby as well. You guys remember what part I'm talkin' about, right?
The little glob of mud or internal organ or whatever that Godzilla ripped out after the two white spheres?


Anyone else think that was a Hedorah fetus? .......................

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@Lord Hastur:

> Oh yeah, then after he pulled out the "eyeballs", he pulled out a
> little baby as well. You guys remember what part I'm talkin' about,
> right? The little glob of mud or internal organ or whatever that
> Godzilla ripped out after the two white spheres?

As I already wrote yesterday, Godzilla pulled nothing out of the body of the first Hedorah after having destroyed the two white spheres. However, when he had killed the second Hedorah, he searched the second Hedorah's body more carefully, pulling out all he could find. (There was nothing special inside the body of the second Hedorah.) So, what does this mean?

For those who still believe that the white spheres are eyes, it means this: Godzilla inexplicable finds two eyes in the body of the one-eyed Hedorah. Suddenly and inexplicably another Hedorah appears which is also killed by Godzilla. This second Hedorah has two intact eyes, yet when Godzilla later searches it's body (a lot more carefully than that of the first one), he inexplicably does not even find one single eye.

For those who believe that the white spheres are "Hedorium eggs", the story goes like this: Godzilla finds two eggs in the body of the first Hedorah and destroys them. Unfortunately, he overlooked a third egg which instantly grows into a new Hedorah and flies aways. Godzilla manages to catch and kill it. Because he does not want to repeat his previous error, this time Godzilla searches the body of the offspring extremely carefully to make 100% sure that there really are no more eggs hidden inside. After having pulled out and examined everything which was inside the body of the second Hedorah, he destroys all of it, and the danger finally is gone.

[August]

Also, no one is addressing how the "eyes" lost their red hue. How these white "eyes" are smaller than the ones in Hedorah's face. And how Hedorah's damaged red eye regenerated into a white "eye" (as El Brazo and I have pointed out).

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For those who believe that the white spheres are "Hedorium eggs", the story goes like this: Godzilla finds two eggs in the body of the first Hedorah and destroys them. Unfortunately, he overlooked a third egg which instantly grows into a new Hedorah and flies aways. Godzilla manages to catch and kill it. Because he does not want to repeat his previous error, this time Godzilla searches the body of the offspring extremely carefully to make 100% sure that there really are no more eggs hidden inside. After having pulled out and examined everything which was inside the body of the second Hedorah, he destroys all of it, and the danger finally is gone.


Sounds good to me. But there is one thing I don't understand (this has nothing to do with the eyes).

Remember when Godzilla was tossing around Hedorah (during thier first fight)? A chunk of Hedorah flies loose and kills those men playing that game. It then attacks the nightclub. Did that chunk of Hedorah grow into that huge head that was swallowing all the cars in that one scene?

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@August:

> Also, no one is addressing how the "eyes" lost their red hue. How these
> white "eyes" are smaller than the ones in Hedorah's face. And how Hedorah's
> damaged red eye regenerated into a white "eye" (as El Brazo and I have
> pointed out).

Thanks for addressing this again, because it's a real important point and one of the main reasons why I do not agree with Mr. Nakano: Every good film has to adhere to certain basic principles of storytelling. Despite being "different" I consider GODZILLA VS. HEDORAH a good film made by crafted filmmakers who knew their jobs. One of those basic principles is: While a story does not have to be "logical" in the sense of physics or mathematics, it certainly must be coherent. If it isn't, one ends up with confused audiences wondering what the heck is going on. Now, the ending part of GODZILLA VS. HEDORAH certainly was not meant to confuse it's viewers by piling up senseless scenes or demanding they would somehow figure out that one red glowing eye suddenly regenerates or transforms into two white spheres and that a little later two red glowing eyes transform to nothing. GODZILLA VS. HEDORAH may have some minor flaws here and there, but this one would be a gross violation of fundamental rules of filmmaking -- which for me seems very unlikely, considering that Mr. Banno and his staff all were skilled professionals and that GODZILLA VS. HEDORAH was targeted at a wide range of ordinary viewers, including even children.

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> Remember when Godzilla was tossing around Hedorah (during thier
> first fight)? A chunk of Hedorah flies loose and kills those men
> playing that game. It then attacks the nightclub. Did that chunk
> of Hedorah grow into that huge head that was swallowing all the
> cars in that one scene?

There were two big chunks which were seperated from Hedorah during the first fight. One of them attacks and kills several gamblers, the other one flows into the nightclub, but does not even harm the little cat which is sitting on the stairs. At the end of each scene you can see both chunks retreating which probably means they tried to reunite with Hedorah (but I don't believe that there's any significance in this). Anyway, the eating of the cars takes place the next day (where Hedorah frequently changes forms and terrorizes a large part of the city) and the film does not indicate the existence of several Hedorahs at this time.

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[August]

Thanks to you, Lord Hastur!

El Brazo said: "There were two big chunks which were seperated from Hedorah during the first fight. One of them attacks and kills several gamblers"

Actually, it "accidentally" kills the gamblers, by flooding the room and effectively suffocating them."

"the other one flows into the nightclub, but does not even harm the little cat which is sitting on the stairs. At the end of each scene you can see both chunks retreating which probably means they tried to reunite with Hedorah (but I don't believe that there's any significance in this)."

The way the scene is directed, and the fact that the only physical evidence of Hedorah left on the scene (when Dr. Yano investigates the next day) are burnt-out embers (ejected from its body due to Godzilla's radioactive breath), indicates this.

"Anyway, the eating of the cars takes place the next day (where Hedorah frequently changes forms and terrorizes a large part of the city) and the film does not indicate the existence of several Hedorahs at this time."

Most of them would have already combined with Hedorah, or any parts lost (in battle), would have combined with the larger form. When Hedorah appears in this scene, its the flying form that lands on the cars (off screen).

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This could have saved alot of problems.......

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Legion79, can you post pics of the two different Gigans? or at least tell us the differences? I've always thought this, but could never really pinpoint the differences.

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