JJ's STAR TREK 2

[MouthForWar]

So now that this movie has been out and everyone has seen it, does anyone know why its called Star Trek Into Darkness?

Cuz I don't... I don't even know what it means.

[klen7]

[XvGojira]

[klen7]

"Ikea or Star TreK?" http://youtu.be/0WrsAGsQdA4

[MouthForWar]

[klen7]

[Rodanex]

[O.Supreme]

[MouthForWar]

[king_ghidorah]

[MekaGojira3k]

[The Real McCoy]

[ebirahsmeg1]

Very good, interesting review from Half In The Bag Review, and it's none too kind:

http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-b ... #more-3890

Also, Mr Plinkett looks at references this film makes w/ Wrath of Khan and past ST films:

http://redlettermedia.com/mr-plinkett-s ... #more-3904

[Alpha OTS]

[ebirahsmeg1]

Honest Trailers-Star Trek Into Darkness (featuring HISHE):
http://youtu.be/6B22Uy7SBe4

[klen7]

[XvGojira]

[MekaGojira3k]

[lhb412]

Just saw this at the second-run theater. Enjoyable, cast is still great, but it ends up feeling kind of insubstantial. The last one did a pretty dang good job of rebooting the franchise, and this one doesn't take it further. If you were going to invest more of the plot in the characters than you could get away with a less epic story than the previous film. If you were gonna go light on character than you needed an even more gargantuan, epic adventure. This film feels less grand in scale and has less character development.

I suppose they felt Khan would add to the 'grandness' but he leaves a much smaller impression than he did in the classic TV show and the associated movie. They just seemed to use Khan for brand value without displaying why we should care.

... and they're still dicking around on Earth! At the end of the film I felt they reached the point where we expected they ended in the last film. It's like this movie circled back.

[Dr Kain]

[XvGojira]

[jellydonut25]

This movie was...okay.

I am trying to separate out the things I liked and focus on them, because there were quite a few personal (non-story-specific) things that really irked me:
-Sulu is given SO much less to do this time. It kinda sucks. He was so great in the first film, and here...I can't imagine John Cho was on set for more than a day. Did Sulu ever leave the bridge?
-Uhura and Spock dating is pointless. I guess it's just a holdover from the previous film, but it adds NOTHING.
-I kind of like how the new timeline just shows that history, in a way, repeats itself, but I also don't like the way it was done here. It's fine to take things here and there, but this just becomes a ripoff without the "high cost" alluded to by old Spock. I mean, in Wrath of Khan, SPOCK DIES. Period. Even in The Search for Spock, the Spock that's brought back to life isn't quite the same, he's more ruled by logic and less human, and less tied to Kirk and crew. Here, there's no price paid, everything just moves on as normal. Huzzah...? I mean, I get that they didn't just want to rip off Wrath of Khan, but they did so much of it throughout the film itself, I would rather have just had them DO IT instead of find a really lazy way not to do it.
-I've read through some comments here, and I seem to be the only one who thought Cumberbatch was overacting to the point of irritation. Not all the time, just for most of the time he was in the brig. It's like EVERY. SINGLE. LINE. had to be some dramatic revelation. I ended up losing the thread of that throughout the course of the film, but I was hating his performance at the outset. ("My NAME...is...KHHHHAAAAANNNNN!!" -o rly?!?! nobody in this universe knows that name. no need for the dramatic pauses.)
-for the most part, the infamous lens-flare didn't bug me, but a few times here and there it REALLY did.

^and those things shouldn't hamper my enjoyment of the film, or I should try not to let them because there are positives to outweigh them, but the Sulu thing in particular was a disappointment.

That said, there are some plot-specific irritations as well:
-Why can't Scotty use the warping method he used in the first film anymore? "Because"? I mean, he INVENTED it, methinks he should still know how it works.
-The final act of the movie is bad...like, so much about it is bad. The cheap Wrath of Khan ripoffs, the bloated and physically ludicrous chase/fight scene, oh, and did I miss something? I thought Kirk, Scotty, and Khan stunned the entire crew of Marcus's ship, does a stunning really put someone down long enough that these people are just not in the rest of the movie at all? A whole starship crew forgotten (oh and blown up on Khan's ship, btw).
-I love Leonard Nimoy, but does Spock REALLY need to consult with himself in order to assume a man who willfully blew up a building and murdered his former admiral is not to be trusted?
-I don't "get" Khan in this movie...his motivations don't feel fully explained to me at all. He goes on and on about his people's plight or whatever but...if he' sso damned smart, why didn't he just unfreeze them? They spend time explaining his background and story and motivations and I just don't know if I wasn't paying close enough attention or what...but I didn't get it. I mean, I get it, it's Khan for the sake of Khan, but I still wouldn't understand the motivations if the character's name in the whole film had been John Harrison.

That said, I liked the movie as a whole. It mostly works for its own sake, despite some of the plotholes, logic gaps (tsk, tsk, Spock), and genre clichés. I liked that Klingons exist in it, however briefly, I liked the banter between the crew, and I liked that by the time the movie ended, I finally cared about the Spock character in this universe. Kudos to them for that, because if they HAD just stuck with a Wrath of Khan ripoff, I would have actually felt touched when Spock died.

[H-Man]

I agree with pretty much all of Jelly's points... but I didn't like the movie.

One thing I'd like to add to my complaints is the bad dialogue. Now, I haven't seen this since opening day, but the one scene that sticks out in my mind is the Uhura/Spock argument on the way to the Klingon planet. It was like listening to two college students arguing. And it also happened while they were in a mission, which makes Uhura seem very unprofessional.

[MouthForWar]

The most baffling thing is that in this universe THERE IS NOW A CURE FOR DEATH.

[klen7]

^ I hope that the revived tribble starts multiplying like they do in "Trouble with Tribbles" and they realize the regeneration serum has reproductive side effects and then they have to battle an army of Kirks