"Ridley Scott's Alienverse"

[MouthForWar]

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[MekaGojira3k]

[MouthForWar]

[MekaGojira3k]

[MouthForWar]

[king_ghidorah]

First of all I'm curious as to how accurate those Rotten Tomatoes scores are. It seems like the people that are inclined to take the time to vote on a site like that are like minded geeks, who are also more inclined to like a movie that does something a little different.

From my personal experience...I've met very few people who liked the movie. I think the people who like this movie are actually in the minority. We may have a better example of this when we can judge the blu ray/ dvd sales.

Secondly, yes...I really don't think we're going to get a sequel. It we do, Fox will probably demand it be watered down, or be turned in on a smaller budget. They were able to get a lot of people into the theater THIS time...I don't think they'd have any success in drawing people back for a sequel. Sure, I'd see it and you'd see it...but I don't think it'd make it's money.

The only way they can justify a sequel, and draw people in...is to tie it more strictly into the Alien verse. Yes, that means xenomorphs. That means more of a classic horror movie. I think that means combining the plans for the second and third film into one film and you know what...I'm really ok with that. I think that's the optimal way to go actually. As Nolan says..."don't hold anything back for sequels." Goyer and the Nolans combined their ideas for Batman 2 and 3 into one film, TDK....and it worked out for the better.

I think time might be a better judge of this film. I think this film just didn't meet a lot of people's expectations. Good or bad film, I think this film's marketing and connection to Alien sold it as something that it wasn't.

I can't bring myself not to like this film. It really pisses me off in a lot of respects, but there's something about it that's so...primal and haunting. I loved the characters and the universe. I just think the film makers needed to meet people's expectations a lil more...and they probably should have just made one film that said everything they wanted to say...a big space epic, version of Laurence of Arabia. Shaw and David's journey should have started about a 1/3 of the way into the film. Basically, condense each planned film into an hour (would cut a lot of the useless crap out of Prometheus) in one joined film.

I think that's what will always piss me off the most about this film. It's not much of a film, it's an opening...an experience to be sure but I still think it's kind of weak as fiction. Life is mysterious enough, when we watch movies I think we want more answers than questions.

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[MekaGojira3k]

[MouthForWar]

Here is a picture of what is apparently, the original mutated Fifield. Whether they reshot the scene with the version there is now or if there was an extra scene with this version, who knows. But it just kinda points to the fact that there might have been a lot of stuff cut for the final version of the film. I really hope we get that extended cut.



Here's a cap from one of the trailers showing this guy (as evidenced by the elongated limbs) fighting in the hangar.



And another glimpse at the longer version of the opening scene, with more Engineers watching the ritual.



A shot from a trailer with David crying (looks like its when he's watching Lawrence and dying his hair)

[king_ghidorah]

I think the film really should have answered directly why the engineers wanted to kill us, and hinted what happened to them. We know what happened to this military base...we can kind of assume it happened elsewhere as well I guess, but why did the rest of the race never carry out the plan of destroying us?

I would have liked to have seen some deffinite answers as to the nature of the xenomorph as well...is it something they've found and based their technology off of, or something they created? Is is striclty a weapon to them because they seem to almost worship it? Really, what I'm driving at here is I would have liked to see a little more Jack Arnold or John Carpenter in here. They could do real thoughtful things, but at the end of the day they knew why they were there...to entertain and give the audience the creature feature thrills that they were after. Imagine if the sequel to The Creature from the Black Lagoon was about how the Gillman came to be...and in the last 5 sec, we get a glimpse of a salamander that would one day give birth to the first proto Gillman. Just wouldn't work, we love the Gillman and we want to see the Gillman.


Ambiguity is great. It what makes Lovecraft work, but even he provided more answers than this film did.

Again, the questions I wanted answered couldn't have been answered in the film as is. The engineers aren't going to explain this stuff to anyone. That's why the film is only partially complete, because we need to see Shaw get these answers. The film starts with questions and end with the same questions more or less.

The black goo, David, and human character complaints I really can't understand. The characters in this film were just as human and fleshed out as the ones in Alien or Aliens.

[MekaGojira3k]

The thing is, the ambiguity doesn't bother me AT ALL. I have no problem with it, and in fact, its part of what I love about the film.

[MouthForWar]

[king_ghidorah]

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[king_ghidorah]

[Dr Kain]

What if the opening scene was not a ritual? What if the dude was a criminal and that was his execution ground? And his execution caused the birth of human life and that is why the Engineers might have been going to Earth to get rid of the humans. Wouldn't that be something?

BTW, that Fifield looks way better than the zombie version we got. I wonder why they changed it.

BTW, didn't one of the trailers show a Xenomorph looking creature?

[MekaGojira3k]

Yeah, I prefer that design more than the vaguely zombie-ish one we got in the film.

[MouthForWar]

I saw the movie again tonight. Having spent 2 weeks reading everyone's gripes. I was kind of expecting to be picking the movie apart more, but the opposite actually happened. I felt like the movie actually made more sense this time around and came away with less complaints this time. I picked up on a lot of things that I didn't the first time and the narrative actually seemed to flow a lot smoother. Maybe its because since I already knew everything that was going to happen, I was kind of examining things and watching a lot more intently than I was the first time.

I don't wanna say you NEED to see it a second time, but I'd certainly highly recommend a second viewing to pretty much anybody, even if you hated it the first time. I think it might counter a lot of the knee jerk reactions people first had.

Also, with the movie fresh in my head, I can go back and shed some light on some of the questions raised earlier in this thread.

About on how those two dumbasses got lost in the cave. They couldn't see the map the probes made, only the captain could, and they stupidly didn't try to contact him for directions out. That and the one dude was high as f*ck (which also might explain his paranoia).

About the Engineers creating life on Earth. A lot of people are asking how other species exist if the Engineers created life on earth. But in the movie, they never say that, they just say they created human DNA, more or less. So Earth could have been inhabited by other species already.

About why David chose Halloway as a test subject. In addition to Halloway being a cock to him the whole movie, David asks him how far he's willing to go to find his answers and he says he'll do "whatever it takes." David takes this as his invitation.

About the scientists taking their helmets off. The theory I posted earlier was kind of correct. Their devices read toxicity levels (they say the atmosphere outside has high toxicity) and the air in the temple didn't have any toxicity. So not only was it breathable atmosphere, it was non-toxic. Later on, when Shaw is going back in, she asks if maybe what made Halloway was sick could be in the air and David assures her that there are no viruses in the air.

About Milburn touching the Hammerpede. When they are looking at the dead Engineers, Milburn expresses concern over whether whatever killed them was still alive or not, so I think that's why he was so spooked. As a biologist, when he sees an alien lifeform that's actually alive, he unleashes his inner Steve Irwin. Don't get me wrong, he's still a poorly written idiot, but I can see how excitement perhaps got the best of him.

Now with that out of the way, I wanna talk about a theory I had... I was thumbing through the Art of Prometheus book at the book store (still haven't gotten it cuz I figure I can get it cheaper on Amazon) and they have a whole page with the sculpts for the unused final form of Fifield's mutation. Hopping online, I found a scan:



Who knows if they actually shot anything with this guy... but in addition to looking super freaky, look at his head... kinda looks like a Xeno head, right? Also, the Hammerpedes were obviously worms that were mutated by the black goo, right? And they clearly posses some physical traits of the facehugger, no? And it has been confirmed by that the Xenos have been around prior to Prometheus, hence the mural (and they probably killed all those engineers). So consider this... right now, the popular theory is that the Xenos came from the black liquid somehow or that the Engineers maybe created them a long time ago. But seeing how the black goo seems to make its host take on traits of the Xenomorph, do you think perhaps the black goo is harvested FROM Xenos instead? In that they made a bioweapon out of their genetic material? I think that might actually be the case and I can't believe I didn't think of that earlier. But I wanna know what you guys (especially our resident Xeno biologist, KG) think...

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