MCU Discussion Thread (General News)

[O.Supreme]

I have to admit, I was very excited when I first thought about the F4 and X-Men being brought into the MCU, but for me, Endgame was pretty much the end, and Far From Home was a nice little epilogue. Nothing revealed about phase 4 really *wowed* me. I don't want to crap on anyone's excitement by bullet pointing everything I did not like, and of course I'm more than willing to admit I'm wrong if these movies come out, and they are actually good. But as of now, I'm fully satisfied with Ending things. If they want to compact the entire first 50 years of popular Marvel comics characters into 10 years cinematically, just so they can movie forward with newer characters only developed int the last decade. Sure younger fans may enjoy it, but I don't need it.

I don't want to see the F4 and X-Men crossing over with characters from the "all-new" Marvel, I want them crossing over with the established characters as it was in the comics up until about a decade ago. I get that's not what the MCU is about, and that's why I'm exercising my freedom of choice to bow out, and let someone else enjoy them.

[lhb412]

[angilas]

It’s a cool reveal and all. I suppose Natalie Portman is a bigger draw than Jamie Alexander, but I feel like having a Thor who’s been a fighter for hundreds of years and is familiar with Asgard in Lady Sif makes more sense (though I know it happened in the comics). Blade is phase 5. Hoping these tv shows are worth the hype. I’ll miss the Netflix ones (what I wouldn’t give for a Defenders 2 to tie up all loose ends and Bulseye nicely).

However, I really do feel it’s a mistake not to include an Avengers in Phase 4. The Avengers films are their biggest draw for a reason. It’s epic and ambitious to include so many hero’s yeah but it’s the principal of anticipation. You keep people coming back for more with these huge films they see coming. Like I suppose it isn’t too late to announce a Secret Wars film, and if it weren’t so early in the phase I’d think Eternals serves that purpose since it could lead to the introduction of a huge Beyonder/Galactus level threat, who becomes the major Phase 4-6 baddie. I just hope they aren’t getting rid of the one big group film or more per phase format that keeps more casual fans engaged. You may ask why I care what other fans think if I’m not just a casual fan. These movies are the most profitable in history hence why comic film and tv is all the rage now. For that to continue in this capacity with great writers & films, with great budgets, actors etc.-success is a must.

Besides I like many enjoy seeing the group films. Phase 3 had 10 films or so and Blade is part of phase 5 so there’s room for more, including a group film, even if they don’t call it Avengers, but “Enter Kang”, “Beyonder Battle World” etc., it works.

[Dr Kain]

[jellydonut25]

"Monopoly-like"
'SEMANTICS ARGUMENT!!!!!!! IN CAPS SO YOU KNOW YOU'RE WRONG!!1!'

*sigh*

[Dr Kain]

[Dai]

[Dr Kain]

Civil War was most definitely a Captain America film. It's core story was about Cap and Bucky.

[O.Supreme]

Thankfully the full title was Captain America: Civil War, so we don't have to assume. We 100% know it was the 3rd Captain America film, despite who else was in it.

[Jinzo Ningen]

Only things that interest me are the Doctor Strange sequel / team-up with Scarlet Witch and the Shang-Chi movie. At last we'll see the real Mandarin, instead of MINO. The whole THOR thing just sounds like a train wreck in the making. A star who has publicly bad mouthed Marvel and now (paycheck!) she's suddenly all chummy again; that and shoving more SJW gunk down our throats. I'm going to predict FAIL for this one just based on what they've told us. Hollyweird insists that everyone is begging to see LBGT represented and in your face but I honestly don't think the average moviegoer is that pumped to go running to see it, especially in their superhero films.

I guess I'm just too old and set in my ways, but I think this next wave of Marvel is going to see rapidly diminishing returns. Most of the folks I know who are fans and have seen most - if not all - of the first batch of MCU films seem rather burned out; even younger guys and girls (20's - mid-30's). I know I am. I didn't realize it really until Endgame was done and I suddenly felt this sense of relief, like a huge weight was now off my shoulders and I was no longer "obligated" to see any further films to 'keep up' with what was going on in others. Much of that was also tainted by the crummy way they shafted the Hulk - for me at least.

I know they have films planned out for, like, the next 10 years ...but I honestly think I'm pretty much done, except for a couple of titles here and there. Unless the first couple of films in this next bunch are REALLY SPECIAL and AWESOME I don't see being tied to catching them all. It was fun at first, but quickly became like a task I had to do. When Captain Marvel came out I skipped it and felt guilty. Took some of the fun out of it.

[jellydonut25]

Jane was Thor in the comics for years.

[Dr Kain]

[O.Supreme]

[jellydonut25]

I could go on a long-winded diatribe about how important I think representation is, having kids now and seeing just how much they identify with people like them and how I think everyone deserves to feel that...

...but really, I'm just sick of arguing with close-minded prejudiced people who want it their safe white male way or the highway.

[O.Supreme]

I could go on a long-winded diatribe about how that would be a great idea, when it's earned. 50 years vs 10 years......

...but really, I'm just sick of arguing with people who assume what is in the hearts and minds of others and borders on libel.

[Jinzo Ningen]

[XvGojira]

I'm more or less fine with Natalie Thorman. The issues/questions I have could be answered with a line of dialogue or just "it's a superhero/comic book movie don't think too hard". I know that in the comics Jane Thor came about because Thor was no longer worthy of wielding Mjolnir. So Thor needs to become unworthy somehow. But at the same time, just wielding the hammer doesn't give one a shiny metal helmet and a "replacing thyn regualr talking with thy ye olde speaching pattern". We've seen two Avengers hold the hammer and neither were Thor-ized. The hammer was even destroyed in Thor 3 and Thor didn't lose his powers or stop being the God of Thunder, if anything he became more of a God of Thunder. So will they reforge the hammer? Will this just be about Thor losing his and then getting his groove back, which would the same kind of story as Thor 1.

I'm sure they'll figure out some reasoning for how they handle it. I'm just worried that people putting too much hope and desires of Jane-Thor being the new thing only to be let down when that version of her will get about as much care and screen time as Pepper Potts as Rescue.

[Jinzo Ningen]

Another thing about THOR.... he's still around and a good guy who remains worthy. Will they write him out of his own series and just keep him with the Guardians? (That has lots of potential since they've dumbed him down into a loutish clown. GotG is where this MCU version of the God of Thunder belongs - plus he did have undeniably great chemistry with that bunch, so that'd make sense. They'll essentially have to re-write the entire motivation behind the switch to Jane-Thor from the comics version IF the Hemsworth Thor is still around. I'm more bummed that they seemingly have no interest in going with Beta Ray Bill. He's such an unusual and cool character, plus Stormbreaker exists in the MCU so he needs to wield it, dammit! A major wasted opportunity there, IMHO.

No knowledge of the Eternals but it does have potential. Their decision to go 'full Kirby' sounds like the right (and honorable) way to approach the source material, and admittedly that cast is pretty amazing. However these guys seem kinda similar to the Inhumans - and that was a disappointingly under-cooked entree on an otherwise fairly well-balanced menu of taste-tempting offerings thus far from Marvel/Disney.

Also bummed that Marvel isn't taking the chance to correct the effed up cinematic version of Ghost Rider by rebooting him and introducing him into the dark, mystical magic-tinged world populated by Dr. Strange, the upcoming Blade revival, etc. Tossing in Werewolf By Night would make a great op for a Midnight Sons flick, as others have mentioned. Oh well. One can dream. Just praying that they aren't going to water down that horror-flavored Strange sequel. We need some reasons to jump and recoil, that'll give you nightmares. And as I look back, some of my all-time favorite movies were ones that scared the bejoopers out of me as a tyke.

[Dr Kain]

[XvGojira]

I understand Portman's sour grapes about Thor 1&2. She signed on with the understanding that she wouldn't just be a love interest but then they swapped directors and her role was just that. That, and some other issues like those that caused Joss Wheadon to break off from the MCU, all originated from Ike Perlmutter, who is no longer apart of Marvel Studios. Hence why she has returned.

[Jinzo Ningen]

It's just the way Portman rather thumbed her nose at the films and the genre. Hell, she couldn't even be bothered to film some new stuff for Endgame (for whatever reason). Now here she is posing at Comicon looking, IMHO, "make nice & smile" and totally unenthusiastic, with a look in her eye that seems to say "Thank Christ they're paying me a boatload of cash or I else wouldn't come near this insultingly mindless fanboy garbage with a 30meter cattle prod." I'll give you V for Vendetta, (the only movie I've seen that she was in where I liked her performance). Haven't seen or even heard of Black Swan.

The all-girls kickin' A scene in Endgame just made me roll my eyes. It was tolerable in Infinity War but it was just "Hey! We're representin' it!" the second time around. I heard more than a few groans around me in the theater but my wife liked it, so I suppose it did its intended job. And yes, Carol Danvers appeared to have been shoehorned into Endgame just... because.

For Ragnarok, it wasn't so much Thor's attitude (although he seems to get stupider in each successive film). It was the whole way the storyline played out. Thor's best friends all die and... nothing. Asgard blows up and it's citizens are all like "OK, well THAT was decidedly inconvenient. How disappointing. Oh well, does anyone have the time? It must be around 6 o'clock, because I'm hungry." Yes, I would love to see Branaugh return. He gave the characters the resonance and air of theatricality they needed to feel just slightly out of step with us on Earth. By the time we got to Ragnarok, the Asgardians all acted like a bunch of bored losers wandering around at a Renaissance festival. Goldblum would've been a fantastic fit in one of the GotG films, but in Ragnaok he was just an irritant, like a harmless and really annoying gameshow host.

Your solution for two Thors makes sense. Still would like to see BRB. Perhaps someday.

[lhb412]

I'm still uneasy about Disney's cultural hegemony, but Natalie Portman is awesome and he'll yeah make her a superhero.

You know this Korean fella in The Eternals, Don Lee? I guess that's his English name (I was familiar with his Korean one). He's amazing in Train to Busan. Happy he's on the cusp of being a worldwide star.

[Benjamin Haines]

[Dr Kain]

Then maybe those other companies should make good movies?

WB and Sony haven't been doing a great job in recent years making truly great movies. I think IT was the last WB movie I was truly blown away with. Sony's gotten lucky with Spider-Man, but last year they also had Venom, Girl in the Spider's Web, Slenderman, and Peter Rabbit. Of course they are going to do poorly when they keep making garbage movies. You can't blame their failures on Disney. Disney makes good movies, If the other companies can't compete, then that's on them.

[Dai]