Hellboy 3

[mr.negativity]

[lhb412]

^I'm thinking Netflix. GDT's new animated series with Dreamworks, Trollhunters, has just premiered on Netflix and apparently it's already their most successful kids' series ever.

Also: pretty sure every traditional studio has already given HB3 a hard no, but Netflix is new and on the lookout for original movies, and not just that, but big movies: their deal with Adam Sandler, the Crouching Tiger sequel, and the upcoming Death Note movie.

[mr.negativity]

I forgot about Netflix.

[lhb412]

Well, we surpassed 100k. We'll see what comes of this (hope springs eternal).

[Benjamin Haines]

Bad news.

[lhb412]

Oh, well. It was a long shot anyway. Love the two films we have.

--- edit ---

Seems (from reading the tweets of the three participants, GDT, Perlman, and Mignola) that Mignola is currently interested in getting an adaptation closer to his comic off the ground, instead of another sequel. Now, as the creator and owner of Hellboy that is totally Mignola's right, and it isn't lost on me that historically comics creators have been denied such rights, nevertheless I think it's a huge mistake. I'm already invested in GDT's Hellboy as much as the Hellboy of the comics, and asking folks to accept a new version when the previous version is left unfinished just seems to me like a recipe for backlash.

[jellydonut25]

I feel like GDT horribly mis-handled this whole thing and it feels like he's actively (unfairly) trying to paint Mignola as the bad guy.

[lhb412]

^I felt he was pretty magnanimous about it. He didn't even draw attention to Mignola. It was Mignola and then Perlman's tweet responding that essentially spelled out the shape of things. If those two kept quiet we could have remained in blissful ignorance!

[Benjamin Haines]

Looking at the tweets, it seems to me like Mignola might already be involved in a live-action Hellboy reboot of some kind. (Film? Broadcast? Cable? Streaming?) I think it's a shame if there's a producer out there who thinks the franchise has more potential for screen success without Perlman or GDT or any connection to the prior films. I'm pretty sure the reason we haven't gotten a third movie is a general lack of mainstream popularity for the franchise, not that people who saw the first two movies disliked them and the public was clamoring for a different take on the character. This isn't a Daredevil situation. If anybody is going to invest in bringing Hellboy to the screen, finishing the film trilogy is the way to go. I get that no producer would want to invest in ending something, rather than beginning something that could grow into a new series that lasts for years, but they should keep perspective on what's really going to drum up interest in Hellboy from fans and entertainment outlets.

[lhb412]

[lhb412]

*ding ding ding*

Our suspicions were correct. Mike's been involved with a Hellboy movie reboot and now it's official:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-v ... ur-1001462

David Harbour is actually a pretty good choice for Hellboy, but..... ehhhhhh Neil Marhsall directing? Another red flag is that Chris Golden co-wrote the script, and his collaborations with Mignola are consistently the weakest things Mignola does.

I've got a shelf full of Hellboy books and have watched the two movies dozens of times, but it's hard to get excited about this. As hard as it is to imagine saying this - me, a lifelong (well, almost) Hellboy fan: I might skip this.

[Benjamin Haines]

[lhb412]

[mr.negativity]

[klen7]

[lhb412]

Tambor goes for the throat. I guess once you reach your 70s you run out of ***** to give.

[jellydonut25]

Maybe Del Toro shouldn't have tried the force the creator/owner of the character into something by getting fans all up in arms before talking to Mignola.

I really side with Mignola on this. It's his character, and Del Toro has been handling this all wrong, imho. GDT is obviously an excellent director and a genuine fan of genre stuff but he's just absolutely AWFUL when it comes to business and handling himself properly with regards to publicity.

[lhb412]

I understand Mignola's decision. It is his character and his livelihood (emphasis on the last part), so shooting for greener pastures and a potential new long running franchise makes a lot of sense. It's just not what I wanted, and I think not what a lot of folks wanted.

[Benjamin Haines]

I don't think Mignola is wrong to do what he wants with his own creative work. If he wants there to be a live-action film that reboots Hellboy for a potential new franchise, that's totally his prerogative.

I personally think that aiming for a new Hellboy film franchise, while certainly ambitious, is a disappointment in the making for all parties. The 2004 and 2008 movies respectively made $59.6m and $75.9m domestic, and even when adjusted for inflation those totals wouldn't break $100m domestic in 2017. It's just not a super-popular brand. The way to maximize returns on a cult franchise like this is to build on the viewership that the existing films have earned over the years.

Millennium Films actually has another very relevant precedent for this: their 2011 3D remake of Conan the Barbarian starring Jason Momoa. Nobody asked for that to be made. Conan is another cult franchise that was never super-huge in North America, as the domestic totals for the '82 and '84 movies would be $118m and $81m respectively when adjusted for inflation, but those two movies definitely have plenty of fans. Those fans had been clamoring for years to see Arnold Schwarzenegger return for one last outing as Conan. That hypothetical sequel may not have matched the adjusted totals of its predecessors but it probably would have done a lot better than Millennium's unrequested remake, which grossed $48m worldwide on a $90m budget, including just $21m domestic after a $10m opening weekend.

Realistically speaking, the next Hellboy movie that hits theaters is probably going to be the last Hellboy movie for another indeterminate amount of time. I think that film would be much more likely to score at the box office and on home media if it was the long-awaited Hellboy 3: The Silver Chair.

[Mac]

Honestly, as much as I love Hellboy 2, it's definitely more high-fantasy than the comics. A Wolves of St. August adaptation by Neil Marshall would be cool.

[tbeasley]

[lhb412]

^Wow, that soon?

[mr.negativity]

Guillermo del Toro’s ‘Hellboy 3’ Could Have Been Turned into a Comic, But Mike Mignola Refused


Why Guillermo Del Toro's Hellboy 3 Never Became A Comic Book

[tbeasley]

More quote mining/clickbait articles making Mignola seem like the 'bad guy' in all this.