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Godzilla and Cloverfield (NPR Program/MP3)

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:11 pm
by Robert Saint John
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=17952328

7 minute piece (MP3) talking about how CLOVERFIELD treads the ground GODZILLA '54 has tread before. Primarily featuring an interview with Bill Tsutsui. bleh.

Not great, but worth the short listen, and makes the article I started this morning completely pointless (if Tsutsui's doing it, then it must be completely obvious). :lol: Still, here's are some images I started for that. Might as well put it here.

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"We'll be joining father in just a moment! A little longer, a little longer, we'll be with your daddy!"

SPOILER IMAGE FROM CLOVERFIELD:
http://www.nearlynews.com/mz/clover_soon2.jpg

In the meantime, maybe it would be good to have our own discussion about the parallels between the two films, both the stories and the context of the times in which they were released? And what, if any, effect the success of CLOVERFIELD might have on the genre and if it will bring Godzilla back sooner rather than later?

I can't help but compare CLOVERFIELD to G54, which itself redefined the "giant monster attacks" genre. Regardless of the directions that the Godzilla series took afterwards, there was something unique about the ability of the original film to portray an absurdity with such a sense of dread, making the events feel very real and immersive. I think part of the reason for GODZILLA's impact in was Honda's ability to balance the drama with an almost documentarian approach to the subject matter. So many of the shots in G54 of Godzilla and the surrounding chaos were ground level or from a distance, shrouded in night and fire and shadow in a fashion similar to the creature in CLOVERFIELD.

Obviously we're not old enough to have seen the original at the time, but I suspect watching GODZILLA, especially in the shadow of post WWII Japan, must have been very much like the audience experience of seeing CLOVERFIELD in post-9/11 of today. These days, we have "reality TV" and YouTube as the documentaries of our day, and CLOVERFIELD capitalizes upon that to "put us there" in what I thought was a similar and very effective way.

If CLOVERFIELD does re-energize the genre, we'll probably be flooded with derivative crap, though one could argue that few of the monster movies that followed GODZILLA were at all like that first film either -- the "VS" concept almost immediately took it in a different direction. It seems it really wasn't until Kaneko took a shot at the genre that someone again executed the puny-human-POV so effectively, even if only briefly.

So what do you think? Other comparisons come to mind? If Toho were to announce something that sounded like a copycat GODZILLAFIELD project, would you want to see that, or would you rather they come up with something less derivative?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:16 pm
by mr.negativity
I would be very interested in seeing a GODZILLAFIELD project.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:22 pm
by Shonokin

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:24 am
by Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!!
Nah, that would be "Rude"

OH! *Rim Shot*

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:14 pm
by Mac
MAYBE WE'LL GET GODZILLA VS CLOVERFIELD FOR 2011!!!

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:23 pm
by MekaGojira3k
Then Shokilas and the Crab Monsters can fight it out amongst the human cast.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:09 pm
by gojira_fan

Re: Godzilla and Cloverfield (NPR Program/MP3)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:15 am
by TheMaster

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:24 am
by Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:23 am
by Andrew Nguyen

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:09 am
by Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:18 pm
by walshbeme

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:25 pm
by Zebulun
Gotta agree with you there walshbeme. As great as the movie was, I did feel that there was a certain something missing to complete the experience. My only opinion is that the filmmakers were trying to evoke the aforementioned 9/11 feeling of chaos and hopelessness that perhaps they felt we didn't need to feel any sympathy for the monster.

I know I didn't when





he gobbled up Hud, Gaira style!







Was it wrong of me to be both terrified and amused at that moment? The world will never know. :lol:

edit: I think the question we have to ask ourselves now is how can Toho make Godzilla interesting and relevant again now that Cloverfield has come and given the kaiju genre the badly needed shot in the arm that it's gotten?

I still maintain the idea that this can be done if Godzilla is the heroic character of the story as he battles against something as terrifying and chaotic like Cloverfield. Of course, if Toho went the other route and made Godzilla the villian, then I'd be interested in that too.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:33 pm
by Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:13 pm
by Zebulun

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:53 pm
by kidnicky
Master,I'm pretty sure the Hollywood "homages" in Goji films are meant to be corny jokes,not to "rip off" a more successful film.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:55 pm
by Destroysall

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:07 am
by metal_bryan

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:13 am
by Legion

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:50 am
by gojira_fan

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:09 am
by Destroysall

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:32 am
by GhostMachine

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:05 am
by TheMaster

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:14 pm
by Shonokin
Can you imagine G54 mixing it up with Ghidorah or Mecha Godzilla or any other Showa or Heisei kaiju? I can't. Not a bit. Not even Angilis from GRA as even that Godzilla was different in nature to 54. This is mixing context and subtext that are of two completely different flavors. Same goes with Cloverfield thus far.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:20 pm
by MouthForWar