What should the next film in the Monsterverse be after 2020?

by **Gwangi** » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:16 pm

Of course, assuming Toho and Legendary decide to push forward.

by **Gentleman** » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:11 pm

Gorgo. Bet the rights to that one are super cheap.

by **Henry88** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:24 pm

assuming we are spared from Toho's new age hippie phase i would say mecha-godzilla

by **lhb412** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:45 pm

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Anyway, I like the idea that every other one of these movies would be a Godzilla movie, and if Mothra goes over well in King of the Monsters I'd like the movie after Godzilla vs. Kong to be an outing for Mothra!

by **Henry88** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:44 pm

lhb412 wrote:^ ?

Anyway, I like the idea that every other one of these movies would be a Godzilla movie, and if Mothra goes over well in King of the Monsters I'd like the movie after Godzilla vs. Kong to be an outing for Mothra!

just some sarcasm, but yes Mothra would also be a good choice and perhaps they could add the villain from the first Mothra movie i can remember what his name was.

by **lhb412** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:35 pm

Hedorah would make a good opponent for Mothra, right?

I think the secret (or one secret) to a great kaiju "vs." movie is that the opponents must be really different from one other. Diametrically opposed. Earthly vs. unearthly, biological vs. mechanical, science fiction vs fantasy, svelt humanoid Ultraman vs. bulky kaiju, etc. Mothra and Hedorah, I think, could have that opposing tension.

by **Gwangi** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:20 pm

Gentleman wrote:Gorgo. Bet the rights to that one are super cheap.

Gorgo may not be a bad idea at that. It would be interesting to see how they would bring him about.

Others that I heard around social media - Godzilla and the Cloverfield monster, and Godzilla and Birdbox monsters (Curious if Godzilla did see them, would he be suicidal? I don't think it would have an affect on G, and if anything, I think it would be the end of the Birdbox creatures! :mrgreen:

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by **Jinzo Ningen** » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:31 am

I still think that WotG would be the best title to pursue from Toho's catalog.

Now... if Legendary really wanted to open up the world they're building, then the sky is the limit. They could bring in ANYBODY from ANY company and incorporate it into their own universe. It really does get you excited to think that we could see Gamera (and his rogue's gallery), Yongary, Guilala, Gorgo and any 'famous' colossal critters from the past interacting in one huge sandbox - without the BS entanglements of companies being stingy or not wanting to play well together (Godzilla and Gamera finally on-screen together, for example). It would be fun & interesting to see them grow a movie universe that could run well into the next decade - or more. Maybe even hold out and renegotiate with Toho for Godzilla once a bunch of other varied monsters have been introduced into Legendary's MonsterVerse (and Toho perhaps runs out of steam with their 'shin' revamp and has let Big G sit dormant again). Then Legendary could really go all-out with a super-duper mega monster star-studded version of DAM! :mrgreen:

by **GFan** » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:50 am

I want to see Godzilla going up against something new. The 90's & 2000's films just gave us re-hash after rehash.. I'm cool with seeing big budget KG, Rodan and Mothra, but let's open up the gates to something new and wild!

by **Jinzo Ningen** » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:38 pm

GFan wrote:I want to see Godzilla going up against something new. The 90's & 2000's films just gave us re-hash after rehash.. I'm cool with seeing big budget KG, Rodan and Mothra, but let's open up the gates to something new and wild!

Agreed. It would be great to see him go against something totally different from himself. If nothing else at least give him a proper four-legged opponent. No more 'evil twin' opponents (Space Godzilla, MechaG, etc.). Too boring and repetitive. If they absolutely insist on someone from the Toho stable then I'd suggest Biollante or Hedorah, simply because they are slithery shape-changers and would keep the confrontations much more engaging from a visual standpoint, at least. And bring Angilas in so Godzilla has a bud to watch his 6.

But heck, why not something completely off the chain ...like Cthulhu? This dream battle has been done in fan art hundreds if not thousands of times. Make it happen! It certainly would make for a pretty wild "God vs. God" scenario.

Hell, for that matter... bring in some of Gamera's foes! :shock:

(Honestly, how expensive could it be to license anyone besides Gyaos?) I think it would be awesome to see Godzilla tackle Jiger or Barugon (even if the match would be rather one-sided without some power adjustments to level the playing field). Certainly it would set fire to websites & discussion boards around the net for years afterwards, debating whether the inclusion of Gamera's foes signaled the eventual appearance of Gamera in Legendary's MonsterVerse, (whether he actually ever shows up or not). :lol:

by **GFan** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:31 am

" " Yes to Hedorah, there's a lot of potential there. Some kind of bio-engineered monster like Biollante (Hedorah would make sense as a bio project gone wrong!!!) would work well too I think.

by **TerranigmaFreak** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:51 am

Godzilla Vs Gamera Vs Ultraman

by **Jinzo Ningen** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:59 pm

GFan wrote:" " Yes to Hedorah, there's a lot of potential there. Some kind of bio-engineered monster like Biollante (Hedorah would make sense as a bio project gone wrong!!!) would work well too I think.

I've long thought that, of all the opponents that Godzilla has faced over the decades, Hedorah has one of the strongest foundations and who has never really gone out of style or has lost his intimidation/scare factor. As long as mankind continues to make a mess of the planet The Smog Monster will always be a thoroughly relevant character. And in this day & age of hyper-realistic CGI, Hedorah would be a natural to be adapted for a modern movie audiences. Also, his origin need not be changed at all; it's still relevant and in no way dated. Though it's an easy one to change up, if they felt it was necessary. I still think that the massive BP oil disaster a few years back was a perfect ecological nightmare to be incorporated into (and somewhat modernize) Hedorah's genesis. Add more topical sting by lumping in genetic tampering or whatever. The idea of Hedorah alone is pretty terrifying. Audiences can relate it with no eye-rolling; because it really isn't all that silly nor condescending. It's just a man-made F-up taken to an extreme degree.

I recently completed a trio of interconnected novels from author Paul Cooley called 'The Black' (three books so far, with a fourth book on the way) and I recommend them to anyone who enjoys a good old-fashioned monster story. (Think John Carpenter's The Thing mashed with Chuck Russel's The Blob.) Anyhow, the genesis of the creature would be a great stepping off point; it'd be so easy to adapt his ancient liquid monster into Hedorah.

Biollante is a beautifully grotesque foe, but I have reservations about how folks would take the idea of a rose monster. I suppose that that aspect could be changed, and her evolving powers and constantly changing growth phases are another easy slam dunk to realize thanks to current CGI effects.

by **mbozzo** » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:39 am

There are many Toho monsters that should get their own solo movie, even if it's for one movie. Legendary could introduce many of them to the American moviegoers. :wink:

by **Gwangi** » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:10 pm

If the Monsterverse continues, I wonder if it will be with or without Thomas Tull? Though he no longer runs Legendary, he has stayed on as producer since the Monsterverse is more or less his baby.

If Tull decides to stay on, I think he will have enough pull to have Legendary get other monsters from other realms, such as Gamera, or perhaps even Gorgo and incorporate them into the Monsterverse, or have some other Toho creation get their own movie. Hedorah has been mentioned, and I think that a Smog Monster movie would be a killer idea! They can probably make a horror movie out of that one.

by **Baltan II** » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:34 pm

One of the Monarch timeline notes has a not-so-secret hint at Hedorah being in the mix, so he might even be in the works in some manner already. Which I approve of, not a big fan of his movie but the monster itself is neat.

Gorgo is a little odd as she doesn’t really have much to offer. You have a kaiju less well-known than even Gamera without any of the cultural marquee that at least Gamera has in the West, visually similar to Godzilla now more than ever thanks to Godzilla’s even greater emphasis on being amphibian. Legendary would be better off with an original creation at that point.

by **Jinzo Ningen** » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:42 pm

Baltan II wrote:One of the Monarch timeline notes has a not-so-secret hint at Hedorah being in the mix, so he might even be in the works in some manner already. Which I approve of, not a big fan of his movie but the monster itself is neat.

Gorgo is a little odd as she doesn’t really have much to offer. You have a kaiju less well-known than even Gamera without any of the cultural marquee that at least Gamera has in the West, visually similar to Godzilla now more than ever thanks to Godzilla’s even greater emphasis on being amphibian. Legendary would be better off with an original creation at that point.

Never thought about it before but yes a Hedorah movie could work by itself absolutely as a pure horror-driven vehicle. Unsure if folks would want to see it without Godzilla to fight him... but why not? It could work as a pretty solid Monarch-heavy piece. Might be nice to see something that deadly and dangerous being able to be handled by us puny humans, for once. ;-)

Thing is, if we destroy him in his solo film there's no point in bringing him back for anyone else to fight, since we humans would already have a method of disposing of him.

Hedorah presents an interesting challenge in that it makes more sense to put him up against Godzilla but, being the bizarre lifeform that he his - and so very deadly by his very existence and not just because of his size - it would be a great opportunity for mankind to have to really "work with Godzilla" to kill it. A mountain of mud already gives Godzilla a really tough opponent to battle so it would be great to see some science & human teamwork cooperating with Godzilla; not just wringing our hands on the sidelines waiting for the Big-G to save our bacon/do all the work for us.

by **Baltan II** » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:20 pm

I wasn't even thinking of Hedorah in the vein of a solo horror-like movie, that'd be crazy! Maybe too crazy to actually do in Monsterverse? Dunno. Definitely thinking more like the angle of having to combine humanity's efforts with Godzilla to bring him down. I think people were also speculating that Hedorah might be the real baddie in Godzilla vs. Kong, but I dunno, there's so little to go on for the time being. For all we know, that little hint may never pan out to be anything greater.

by **mr.negativity** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:51 pm

I'd be down for an animated MonsterVerse movie or series.

by **jellydonut25** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:18 pm

At this point, given Toho's recent output, I just want the MonsterVerse to continue. Don't care much about what foes or whatever...just...don't let Toho be the only ones making Godzilla movies. Please. (what a 180 this is from 20 years ago).

by **Benjamin Haines** » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:10 pm

The thing about pitting Godzilla against other classic monster characters like Gamera or Gorgo is that it wouldn't necessarily broaden the appeal of these films for audiences who aren't already invested in the Monsterverse. There aren't really any Gamera fans or Gorgo fans who aren't also Godzilla fans. It all just falls under the umbrella of kaiju fans, and kaiju fans are already turning out to see these flicks. While Godzilla vs. Gamera would be a landmark event to us, for most general audiences it might as well be Godzilla vs. a brand new monster.

I think that a modern-day version of War of the Gargantuas would have the potential to be a solid hit. Like Jinzo Ningen mentioned in the other thread, it's fairly well-known compared to a lot of obscure sci-fi classics. It certainly has made a notable mark on pop culture. There was an homage to WotG in one of the recent Scooby-Doo animated series, Brad Pitt and Mark Mothersbaugh have spoken fondly of the film, and of course Quentin Tarantino staged an elaborate homage to it in Kill Bill with Uma Thurman and Daryl Hannah's fight. War of the Gargantuas has a unique, iconic-sounding title that comes with nostalgia for viewers who have seen the original or even might just remember reading the title in a TV Guide at some point. A new take from Legendary might work really well and could set the stage for the Gargantuas to cross paths with Godzilla or Kong in a future film.