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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby H-Man » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:59 pm

I don't see it, but the video above isn't great (no offense, Danny) and I don't have the Blu-Ray yet.

As for the grain, the UN building shot is extremely grainy because it's a stock shot and that is the nature of stock footage.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby DannyBeane » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:10 pm

Cody Himes wrote:I don't see it, but the video above isn't great (no offense, Danny) and I don't have the Blu-Ray yet.

As for the grain, the UN building shot is extremely grainy because it's a stock shot and that is the nature of stock footage.

Compare the upper right corner that shows off the TV and isn't moving to the opening credits. They're shifting left and right. If I could rip the blu ray I'd upload it directly but unfortunately the DSLR recording is the best I can do.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:25 pm

Yeah you can really see it on some of the names at the far right. They shimmy at the edge of the frame. Oh well, what's one more mediocre kaiju release in a world full of them, right?
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby John Schuermann » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:47 pm

DannyBeane wrote:Here is my recording of the opening with a DSLR and tripod for stability. I see what Jelly is seeing but I don't think its enough to bother me because the rest of the film is stable. What does bug me though is the excessive amount of grain. Look specifically at the UN building at 1:38 in.
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Gonna check all this out here shortly.

The UN building shot is grainy because it is ancient stock footage spliced into the American version.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby John Schuermann » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:54 pm

OK, just spent about half an hour directly A/Bing the DVD with the Blu-ray. I loaded the Blu-ray into my Blu-ray player and the DVD into my old Toshiba HD-DVD player (yes, I still have one of those) and synced them up so I could simply switch inputs to compare. Both inputs are calibrated identically and set to output the native resolution of the disc, so all the video processing is being done by the HQV chip in my JVC projector. I am sitting back about 12 feet from my 11 ft. wide 2.35:1 screen, so the image is quite large relative to my seating position.

Yes, there is definitely subtle left to right shifting on the Blu-ray that the DVD does not possess. It starts out fairly noticeable then diminishes as the film progresses. To my eyes, it is subtle and barely noticeable except during the credits. On my first viewing of the disc a week or so ago I did not really notice it on the credits either. Obviously it is not subtle to Jellydonut's eyes, though! Not a judgement call, just an observation that artifacts that can drive some people to distraction may not bother others at all.

What I did notice, though, is that the Blu-ray utilizes a print in considerably better shape than the DVD. Sharpness, color and overall condition of the print are MUCH better on the Blu-ray. Just check the beginnings of chapters 12 and 13. Notice all of the scratches and blotches on the DVD. They are absent on the Blu-ray. Detail on the Blu-ray is almost night and day better as well. Of course, the detail improvement may not nearly be as noticeable on a smaller screen. On my setup, though, the DVD looks downright blurry compared to the Blu. It's just too bad that the Blu-ray exhibits this issue :(
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:59 pm

John Schuermann wrote:Yes, there is definitely subtle left to right shifting on the Blu-ray that the DVD does not possess. It starts out fairly noticeable then diminishes as the film progresses. To my eyes, it is subtle and barely noticeable except during the credits. On my first viewing of the disc a week or so ago I did not really notice it on the credits either. Obviously it is not subtle to Jellydonut's eyes, though!

Yeah, unfortunately I find myself noticing it just about any time there's a fairly static shot of something on the screen. The UN building, the stars in the background of the satellite shots, when they're watching Godzilla rampage on TV...maybe that's just because I'm only watching it in snippets thus far, but it's a pretty big letdown. I'll try watching the full film some time soon, and if I find it really bothering me throughout the course of the film, I'll be getting rid of this blu-ray.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby Dr Kain » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:00 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:I don't know how anybody could have NOT seen that. The credits are shimmying back and forth like nobody's business. It's flat-out better on the DVD. Pretty sad when the DVD does something better than the blu-ray. I officially do not like this release.

KKE is amaze-balls. KKvG is not good. If I'd known it was gonna be this insanely mediocre I would have completely avoided it.


Hmm, it could just be that I absolutely hate the beginning to this movie with its god bullcrap!!
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby John Schuermann » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:23 pm

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John Schuermann wrote:Yes, there is definitely subtle left to right shifting on the Blu-ray that the DVD does not possess. It starts out fairly noticeable then diminishes as the film progresses. To my eyes, it is subtle and barely noticeable except during the credits. On my first viewing of the disc a week or so ago I did not really notice it on the credits either. Obviously it is not subtle to Jellydonut's eyes, though!

Yeah, unfortunately I find myself noticing it just about any time there's a fairly static shot of something on the screen. The UN building, the stars in the background of the satellite shots, when they're watching Godzilla rampage on TV...maybe that's just because I'm only watching it in snippets thus far, but it's a pretty big letdown. I'll try watching the full film some time soon, and if I find it really bothering me throughout the course of the film, I'll be getting rid of this blu-ray.


That's too bad it bothers you so much, since the Blu is better in so many other respects.

To be fair to the Blu, there are some scenes that have that same side to side shimmy on the DVD too (I am thinking of at least one of the scenes of them watching Godzilla on the TV).
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby H-Man » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:43 pm

Dr Kain wrote:Hmm, it could just be that I absolutely hate the beginning to this movie with its god bullcrap!!


I probably shouldn't ask, but what?
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby Tom R VanSlambrouck » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:11 am

I haven't noticed that shaking at all when I watched the movie last week maybe I'll pop in the BD again and see.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby Dr Kain » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:36 am

Cody Himes wrote:
Dr Kain wrote:Hmm, it could just be that I absolutely hate the beginning to this movie with its god bullcrap!!


I probably shouldn't ask, but what?


It just felt to me like they were trying to force Christian belief upon the viewer. Maybe that was not their intention, but it has always felt like that to me.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:36 am

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jellydonut25 wrote:
John Schuermann wrote:Yes, there is definitely subtle left to right shifting on the Blu-ray that the DVD does not possess. It starts out fairly noticeable then diminishes as the film progresses. To my eyes, it is subtle and barely noticeable except during the credits. On my first viewing of the disc a week or so ago I did not really notice it on the credits either. Obviously it is not subtle to Jellydonut's eyes, though!

Yeah, unfortunately I find myself noticing it just about any time there's a fairly static shot of something on the screen. The UN building, the stars in the background of the satellite shots, when they're watching Godzilla rampage on TV...maybe that's just because I'm only watching it in snippets thus far, but it's a pretty big letdown. I'll try watching the full film some time soon, and if I find it really bothering me throughout the course of the film, I'll be getting rid of this blu-ray.


That's too bad it bothers you so much, since the Blu is better in so many other respects.

To be fair to the Blu, there are some scenes that have that same side to side shimmy on the DVD too (I am thinking of at least one of the scenes of them watching Godzilla on the TV).

My mind tells me it's better...but my eyes won't listen. They're jerks.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:47 am

DannyBeane wrote:Here is my recording of the opening with a DSLR and tripod for stability. I see what Jelly is seeing but I don't think its enough to bother me because the rest of the film is stable. What does bug me though is the excessive amount of grain. Look specifically at the UN building at 1:38 in.
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The grain is so bad in that shot it's like looking through fog.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby H-Man » Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:12 am

Dr Kain wrote:
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Dr Kain wrote:Hmm, it could just be that I absolutely hate the beginning to this movie with its god bullcrap!!


I probably shouldn't ask, but what?


It just felt to me like they were trying to force Christian belief upon the viewer. Maybe that was not their intention, but it has always felt like that to me.


Why, because "heaven"? The quote is from Hamlet. I'll let Shakespeare-Online explain the reference, but the intent therein is not to force Christian (or any!) belief, and I'm certain the screenwriters of the American version weren't interested in that either.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby klen7 » Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:41 am

i've always associated that quote with the "limits of human imagination" rather than anything ideological or spiritual
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:16 am

Christian beliefs? It's a disembodied voice saying, "There's more insanity at play on Earth than you could even POSSIBLY imagine"
I've always associated that thought more with cryptozoology than anything else. "How do you KNOW Bigfoot doesn't exist? We keep finding crazy s**t in the ocean!"
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby canofhumdingers » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:45 am

Since it doesn't look like that question was actually answered, yes the "shimmying" is gate weave. It's literally the film shifting around in the telecine gate as it was being captured because the sprocket holes are not perfectly uniform. But it is more pronounced in things like the titles because those are an optical composite and require at least one extra duplication. Every time you duplicate film you introduce additional gate weave because the piece of film you're duping wobbles around in its gate and the piece of film you're duping it onto also wobbles. This used to be something that was just part of film and nothing could be done about it. Now you can digitally steady this so that it is rock solid, but it looks surprisingly UNnatural if all gate weave is completely eliminated. But when it comes to things like optically created titles, even if you completely stabilize the background, you'll noticed that the words themselves still wobble because it's an optical composite and there were multiple layers of film photographed on top of each other. Likewise, if you stabilized the text, the background would jump all over the place. There's really nothing you can do to completely eliminated gate weave from older films as it's an inherent byproduct of making film. There are things that can be done to reduce it though and unfortunately it sounds like maybe the transfer they did for the DVD was a bit more stable than this new bluray transfer.

I don't have the disc yet (it's on it's way) but for me personally, I don't mind gate weave. As I said, films look really weird and unnatural without it b/c it's been inherent in film since the inception of motion pictures. Fils without ANY gate weave tend to look "dead". While I don't love excessive gate weave, it doesn't bother me too much, especially in older films where it's more expected.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby GaryT » Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:01 pm

John Schuermann wrote:What I did notice, though, is that the Blu-ray utilizes a print in considerably better shape than the DVD. Sharpness, color and overall condition of the print are MUCH better on the Blu-ray. Just check the beginnings of chapters 12 and 13. Notice all of the scratches and blotches on the DVD. They are absent on the Blu-ray. Detail on the Blu-ray is almost night and day better as well. Of course, the detail improvement may not nearly be as noticeable on a smaller screen. On my setup, though, the DVD looks downright blurry compared to the Blu. It's just too bad that the Blu-ray exhibits this issue :(


They just performed more digital cleanup on the new transfer, that's all; the source element was probably exactly the same. Shaprness and color differences are due to the HD resolution.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby Pkmatrix » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:42 am

Dr Kain wrote:
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Dr Kain wrote:Hmm, it could just be that I absolutely hate the beginning to this movie with its god bullcrap!!


I probably shouldn't ask, but what?


It just felt to me like they were trying to force Christian belief upon the viewer. Maybe that was not their intention, but it has always felt like that to me.


Uh...what? That's absolute non-sense. Have you never read any Shakespeare? :|
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby Dr Kain » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:13 pm

Pkmatrix wrote:Uh...what? That's absolute non-sense. Have you never read any Shakespeare? :|


So I'm supposed to have memorized every line from every Shakespear play I have read? Yes, I have read Macbeth, Romeo and Boringuet, A Mid Summer Night's Dream, Hamlet, and several others, but I don't remember every line to them all, especially if they aren't Macbeth (which is my favorite).
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby jellydonut25 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:47 pm

Dr Kain wrote:
Pkmatrix wrote:Uh...what? That's absolute non-sense. Have you never read any Shakespeare? :|


So I'm supposed to have memorized every line from every Shakespear play I have read? Yes, I have read Macbeth, Romeo and Boringuet, A Mid Summer Night's Dream, Hamlet, and several others, but I don't remember every line to them all, especially if they aren't Macbeth (which is my favorite).

It's not just "a line" though....it's a fairly notable one. I've not even read much Will.I.Am Shakespeare...
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby Tom R VanSlambrouck » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:49 am

I knew it was Shakespear and I've never read any of his work in my life. Never took an English class where it was required.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby Dr Kain » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:59 am

jellydonut25 wrote:
Dr Kain wrote:
Pkmatrix wrote:Uh...what? That's absolute non-sense. Have you never read any Shakespeare? :|


So I'm supposed to have memorized every line from every Shakespear play I have read? Yes, I have read Macbeth, Romeo and Boringuet, A Mid Summer Night's Dream, Hamlet, and several others, but I don't remember every line to them all, especially if they aren't Macbeth (which is my favorite).

It's not just "a line" though....it's a fairly notable one. I've not even read much Will.I.Am Shakespeare...


You also do realize this was the first time I had watched the movie dubbed since 1997, right? I did not read anything Shakespear until 1997, and I did not read Hamlet until 2000 when I was in my senior year of high school.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby klen7 » Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:33 am

i think understanding the concept behind the line is more important than remembering who wrote it.
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Re: KING KONG VS. GODZILLA and KING KONG ESCAPES on BD April

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:59 am

klen7 wrote:i think understanding the concept behind the line is more important than remembering who wrote it.

Yeah, it's certainly not a God thing....it's a "The world is full of wonders and mystery" thing.
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