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Re: The Matrix Cinematic Universe

Postby mr.negativity » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:02 pm

Deadline August 20, 2019:
New ‘Matrix’ Movie In Works, Keanu Reeves & Carrie-Anne Moss Returning, Co-Creator Larry Wachowski Writing & Directing
Anthony D'Alessandro wrote:A new Matrix movie is happening at Warner Bros, with Keanu Reeves and Carrie-Anne Moss reprising their roles as Neo and Trinity and Lana Wachowski set to write and direct an all-new film set in the genre-defining world.

Warner Bros will co-produce with the franchise’s original co-producer Village Roadshow.

Warner Bros Pictures Group chairman Toby Emmerich made the announcement today. Lana Wachowski is producing with Grant Hill. Wachowski is also co-writing with Aleksandar Hemon and David Mitchell.

“We could not be more excited to be re-entering The Matrix with Lana,” said Emmerich. “Lana is a true visionary—a singular and original creative filmmaker—and we are thrilled that she is writing, directing and producing this new chapter in The Matrix universe.”

The three previous films, created with Lilly Wachowski writing and directing—The Matrix (1999), The Matrix Reloaded (2003) and The Matrix Revolutions (2003)—have earned more than $1.6 billion at the global box office and were all Top 10 domestic hits in their year of release. The Matrix Revolutions was also the first film ever to release simultaneously in every major country at the same hour around the world. The Matrix also spawned a successful video game in 2003 timed to Matrix Reloaded: Atari’s Enter the Matrix, which sold more than 5 million copies worldwide, with close to $60 million in U.S. sales.

Special 20th anniversary screenings of The Matrix are being held at select AMC Theatres locations across the U.S. starting August 30.

Earlier this summer, Reeves took Lionsgate’s John Wick franchise to a new height at the box office with John Wick Chapter 3: Parabellum earning $321.3M worldwide, $170.7M domestic.
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Re: The Matrix Trilogy Discussion

Postby lhb412 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:38 am

*whips off sunglasses*

Okay. Okay. I'm game.
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Re: The Matrix Trilogy Discussion

Postby Benjamin Haines » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:46 am

Hard pass.


What is Keanu doing? This is the news I would expect if his career was in the gutter but he seems to be more popular than ever nowadays.
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Re: The Matrix Trilogy Discussion

Postby lhb412 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:01 pm

Lana Wachowski directed and co-writing with David Mitchell? It'll be interesting and weird and certainly worth seeing.
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Re: The Matrix Trilogy Discussion

Postby Benjamin Haines » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:29 pm

I'd rather they tackle something original, or a different franchise adaptation, or pretty much anything other than The Matrix 4 of all things. That ship has long since sailed.

Reloaded and Revolutions may not hold a candle to the original but they brought the saga to a definitive conclusion. The Matrix was a buzzy hit in 1999 which reverberated through pop culture. It only grew in popularity and led to a fever pitch of hype for the two sequels in 2003. Those films were distinct products of their time and any fourth movie in 2020 or later will just feel like an outlier, a footnote that arrived far too late.

I want new Matrix movies like I want new Terminator movies, which is to say not at all. Not every once-popular franchise needs to revived. Sure, it's harder than ever to get moviegoers to pay to see original works but brand awareness alone doesn't mean there's audience demand for more movies from that brand. We've seen this play out before with unrequested legacy sequels like Independence Day: Resurgence, Terminator: Genisys and Inferno. We've seen this play out with forgotten remakes like Point Break (2015), Conan (2011) and The Mummy (2017). Just because people flocked to the earlier entries doesn't mean those same people will flock to sequels or remakes decades later, and just because kids in '99-'03 thought The Matrix was the coolest thing ever doesn't mean that kids in 2021 will be just as taken with it. Who really wants The Matrix 4 to be a thing?
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Re: The Matrix Trilogy Discussion

Postby mr.negativity » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:39 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:Who really wants The Matrix 4 to be a thing?

Me! :D
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Re: The Matrix Trilogy Discussion

Postby Benjamin Haines » Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:10 pm

^ Why? Revolutions concluded the saga. The war between humans and machines is over. The program Smith is destroyed. Neo and Trinity are dead. The whole trilogy is a turn-of-the-century time capsule. Why go back to that well with a decades-later continuation?
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Re: The Matrix Trilogy Discussion

Postby mr.negativity » Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:37 pm

The Matrix never ends, it just resets.

The Matrix Reloaded:
The Architect:

The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.

You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed – its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Denial is the most predictable of all human responses, but rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

The function of the One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which, you will be required to select from the Matrix 23 individuals – 16 female, 7 male – to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash, killing everyone connected to the Matrix, which, coupled with the extermination of Zion, will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.



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The Matrix 4: How Keanu Reeves Can Return (Despite Neo’s Death)
JAMES HUNT wrote:In The Matrix Reloaded, Neo meets the Architect, the creator of the Matrix who explains that it is now in its sixth iteration. The Architect informs Neo that there were five stable versions previously - and two failed ones - and that in each of them, there was always an anomaly in the code: a.k.a. The One. Neo comes to believe that the Oracle's prophecy was simply a means of controlling The One, leading them to the Source and making a choice that will destroy part of Zion and leave only a select number of survivors for the new cycle.

Neo is the sixth incarnation of The One, but what we don't know is who the first five Ones were. Has The One taken on many different appearances, or do they always look like Keanu Reeves? A younger version of Morpheus is reportedly being cast for The Matrix 4, so that suggests we're going to be seeing a different version of the Matrix to that in the first three films. It's plausible that we could be seeing a different One, who just so happens to look like Reeves again. Similarly, if we're going to be seeing the 7th cycle of the Matrix, which is what begins to form at the end of The Matrix Revolutions, then again there'd be a new One, who could again take the form of Keanu Reeves. At the same time, because Neo's body died but mind didn't necessarily do so, then it might mean another way of the real Neo returning.
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Re: The Matrix Trilogy Discussion

Postby Dai » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:24 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:What is Keanu doing? This is the news I would expect if his career was in the gutter but he seems to be more popular than ever nowadays.


Being well-liked and meme-worthy doesn't mean his career is necessarily in a healthy place. Aside from the John Wick movies, how many critically or financially successful movies has he starred in over the last 20 years? He gets brought in for bit parts when directors want a couple of scenes where they can say, "Look kids, it's beloved actor Keanu Reeves, and now back to the show", but movies where he's the leading man have tended to underperform. Seriously, take a look at his output as a leading man this century:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000206/?re ... f_=nv_sr_1

I'm not at all surprised that he'd want to revisit his glory days.
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Re: The Matrix Trilogy Discussion

Postby mr.negativity » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:34 pm

THR AUGUST 21, 2019:
The Risk and Reward of 'The Matrix 4'
Richard Newby wrote:We’re beginning to believe. While rumors have circulated for years, Tuesday we finally received confirmation that a fourth Matrix film is in fact in the works and will not only see Lana Wachowski return as writer, producer, and director, but will also see Keanu Reeves and Carrie-Anne Moss reprise their roles as Neo and Trinity respectively. Artist Geof Darrow, who worked as a concept designer on the three previous Matrix movies, will also return to the film, adding an even greater sense of authenticity to this return trip. Lana Wachowski, who co-created the series with her sister Lily, expressed enthusiasm at returning to the franchise 16 years later and exploring a reality “even more relevant now.” It would be impossible to predict, given her filmography, what Wachowski has in store for audiences when The Matrix reboots its system, because it’s guaranteed to be way off. But I expect that the social relevance, deep dive into philosophy and mythology, and the stunning, anime-inspired action sequences will be on full display. It’s been 20 years since The Matrix helped redefine the Hollywood blockbuster and 21st century action movies. Is it possible for Wachowski to hit our systems with a dose of déjà vu and do it again?

The Hollywood Reporter first caught wind of Warner Brothers’ renewed interest in The Matrix series in 2017 when it was reported that Zak Penn was writing a treatment for a possible relaunch that would star Michael B. Jordan, rumored to either be a descendent of Morpheus, or a younger version of Morpheus himself. That treatment did not have the Wachowskis on board and it now seems that this new project is something entirely separate from Penn’s draft. It’s not surprising that Warners would want to reinvest in The Matrix, the trilogy that grossed over $1.6 billion worldwide and launched video games, comics, and an anime. But the decision to go the route of a direct sequel, at least that’s what Reeves and Moss’ involvement implies, rather than relaunch with a new “One,” as hinted at in the end of The Matrix Revolutions (2003) is an interesting decision.

There has been talk, going back a few years, about Warner Bros. exploring the spin-off potential of The Matrix. There’s certainly room for such a venture, given how dense the Wachowskis’ mythology for the concept is. This is a universe that even includes its own take on ghosts and vampires as malfunctioned programs, or exiles, from previous iterations of the Matrix. The Wachowskis created a massive science fiction landscape that doesn’t have to be contained to a single genre. But spin-offs can be a hard sell, or end up working against the central installments. Just look at the box office results for The Lego Movie 2: The Second Part and Men in Black: International. Warner Bros., after a tough summer box office, is undoubtedly looking for a sure thing. Why gamble on spin-off stories and concepts when the studio can just trust Lana Wachowski to take the substance of six movies and combine them into one film that will have audiences showing up, talking, and debating for years? The Wachowskis haven’t been able to replicate the success of The Matrix with audiences, though they sure gave it their all with Speed Racer (2008), Cloud Atlas (2012), Jupiter Ascending (2015), and Sense8 (2015-2018). But even if audiences are left divided, it’s arguable that most Matrix fans would rather see a bold, and ambitious vision from the franchise’s co-creator than spin-offs that attempt to imitate voices that can’t be replicated.

Although the arcs of Neo and Trinity were concluded in Revolutions, they, along with Morpheus and Agent Smith are the recognizable faces of the franchise. Just as Universal learned with its Fast & Furious franchise, the characters carry more weight than the concept. And legacy sequels, like Blade Runner 2049 (2017), Halloween (2018), Terminator: Dark Fate (2019), and even Jay and Silent Bob Reboot (2019) are the current rage right now. Neo and Trinity may have died, but there’s no denying that Reeves popularity has increased dramatically in recent years, thanks in no small part to the John Wick films. Audiences game for a new Matrix movie will want to see Neo, Trinity, Morpheus, and Agent Smith, even if that means losing the sense of completion from the trilogy of films.

Although The Matrix Reloaded (2003) and Revolutions still cause arguments to break out, there’s something enticing about seeing just how the fourth film will explain its own existence. Audiences may have become a bit complacent in terms of their desire, or lack thereof, in wanting to actually dig deep into their mainstream movies and see something they’ve never seen before, and The Matrix 4 may not change that. But given the return of so many key players in the franchise, even if general audiences don’t respond in the same way they did in 1999, it’s practically guaranteed that they will at least enter the Matrix for another round.


THE VERGE:
Here’s what The Verge wants out of a fourth Matrix movie

Collider:
‘The Matrix 4’: Larry Wachowski Re-Teaming with Original Concept Artists Geof Darrow and Steve Skroce

THR AUGUST 22, 2019:
'Braveheart' Cinematographer John Toll Boarding 'Matrix 4'
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Re: The Matrix Trilogy Discussion

Postby XvGojira » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:47 pm

lhb412 wrote:Lana Wachowski directed and co-writing with David Mitchell? It'll be interesting and weird and certainly worth seeing.


First off, only one of the Watchowski's is working on it? Why isn't the other half of the duo working on this? They've worked on everything else together. Kind of makes me a little bit worried.

Secondly, I'm pretty sure it's not but I'm sure this would be entirely different kind of movie if it was this David Mitchell.

My big issue is that the original was such a game changer and has been copied, re-hashed, and advanced by action movies so much since, a 4th installment might just be totally underwhelming. Been there done that.

Honestly, I hope it's more like the first movie, a tight action flick. No breaking the pacing on meandering philosophical TED talks while a girl has a cake-orgasm. No forgettable side characters/plots that drag away the focus from the actual story.
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Re: The Matrix Trilogy Discussion

Postby lhb412 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:54 pm

XvGojira wrote:
lhb412 wrote:Lana Wachowski directed and co-writing with David Mitchell? It'll be interesting and weird and certainly worth seeing.


First off, only one of the Watchowski's is working on it? Why isn't the other half of the duo working on this? They've worked on everything else together. Kind of makes me a little bit worried.


As of now, word is she's retired. She wasn't involved in the Sense8 finale movie either. Seems Lana as a solo act now.
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Re: The Matrix Four Discussion

Postby mr.negativity » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:18 pm

VARIETY, OCTOBER 9, 2019:
‘Matrix 4’: Yahya Abdul-Mateen II Lands Lead Role (EXCLUSIVE)
“Aquaman” star Yahya Abdul-Mateen II has landed one of the lead roles in the latest installment in the “Matrix” franchise.

Sources tell Variety that director Larry Wachowski met with actors for the secret role over the last week and in recent days, Abdul-Mateen emerged as the frontrunner to join Keanu Reeves and Carrie-Anne Moss, who will be reprising their roles in the film.

Warner Bros. announced in August that a fourth “Matrix” movie is officially in the works, with Reeves and Moss returning and Wachowski on board to write and direct. Warner Bros. Pictures and Village Roadshow Pictures will produce and globally distribute the film.

In addition to Wachowski, the script was also written by Aleksandar Hemon and David Mitchell. Wachowski is also producing with Grant Hill. The film is expected to begin production at the beginning of 2020.

Warner Bros. has been trying for the last couple of years to find a way back into “The Matrix” universe, but a hold-up over producing rights slowed the project down. The studio has recently seen the opportunity to ramp up development, with Reeves boasting a strong summer that included box office hits “John Wick: Chapter 3 – Parabellum” and “Toy Story 4,” in addition to a solid script from Wachowski.

Plot details are currently unknown and while it was rumored a young Morpheus could appear in the movie, sources close to the film would not confirm Abdul-Mateen’s specific role.

The three previous films — “The Matrix,” “The Matrix Reloaded” and “The Matrix Revolutions” — have collectively earned more than $1.6 billion at the global box office. All three were written and directed by Lana and her sister, Lilly, and starred Reeves and Moss.

In addition to his breakout role as Black Manta in Warner Bros.’ “Aquaman,” Abdul-Mateen portrayed Lupita Nyong’o’s character’s father in Jordan Peele’s hit “Us” and had a starring role in an episode of “Black Mirror.” He will appear as Cal Abar in HBO’s “Watchmen” TV series, which also stars Regina King and Don Johnson.

Abdul-Mateen was most recently cast to play Black Panther co-founder Bobby Seale in Aaron Sorkin’s “The Trial of the Chicago 7” and landed the titular role in the Peele-produced “Candyman,” set for release in 2020. He will topline the Netflix drama “All Day and a Night” alongside Jeffrey Wright. He is repped by WME and Anonymous Content.
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