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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby lhb412 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:23 pm

^ Good lord! What an incredible snapshot of an important time in the genre!
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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby Joseph Goodman » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:29 pm

That may be the earliest disclosure of "Gigantis" being Godzilla published.
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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby lhb412 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:47 pm

* insert Keanu "whoa" gif *
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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby Joseph Goodman » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:36 pm

What does The Mysterians have to do with Hitchcock? Nothing, other than both raking it in for MGM in the summer of '59:

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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby H-Man » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:50 pm

Ads for some later DCA releases have "From the company that brought you Rodan;" the late '50s and early '60s could be considered the golden age of these movies in the U.S. In May 1959 alone three major studios in Hollywood released three of Toho's tokusatsu films.
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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby Joseph Goodman » Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:29 pm

Didn't "Rodan" actually make more at the box office than any other kaiju import in the 50's and 60's?
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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby lhb412 » Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:58 pm

^ I've heard a couple of times that Rodan was the most theatrically successful one in the US.
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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby Joseph Goodman » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:23 pm

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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby H-Man » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:50 pm

Joseph Goodman wrote:Godzilla X Magoo


There's a similar ad on page 181 here (or found by CTRL+F searching for "Bocass"). These ads must have worked to some degree since UPA's Godzilla titles (and Rodan, FCTW, WOTG, etc.) were shown very often over the next two decades.
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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby Joseph Goodman » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:38 pm

H-Man wrote:
Joseph Goodman wrote:These ads must have worked to some degree since UPA's Godzilla titles (and Rodan, FCTW, WOTG, etc.) were shown very often over the next two decades.


It didn't hurt that the UPA package happened to have some of the best films in it. In comparison, I don't remember Godzilla 1985 ever showing up on cable or local stations in the 90's, nor do I recall seeing Gigan or Mechagodzilla outside of the Sci-Fi Channel.

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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby H-Man » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:47 pm

Joseph Goodman wrote:It didn't hurt that the UPA package happened to have some of the best films in it.


Yeah, and additionally I think the "UPA five" offered a better variety of films. You got the original flick and arguably the most iconic sequel in Godzilla vs. Mothra (as UPA called it) plus Ghidorah and Rodan in Monster Zero, Mechagodzilla in Terror and a monster mash in Revenge. These five played on TNT and AMC quite a bit in the '90s but were also available to syndicated horror hosted programs and local stations. I'd bet Saperstein made a good buck on the video and television packaging of these movies.

In comparison, I don't remember Godzilla 1985 ever showing up on cable or local stations in the 90's, nor do I recall seeing Gigan or Mechagodzilla outside of the Sci-Fi Channel.


IIRC G85 played on WGN in the '90s but I don't think it was as widely seen on basic cable as the 15 films that preceded it.

Both Cosmic Monster and Godzilla on Monster Island were shown pretty frequently in certain markets through the '80s but I don't believe ever appeared on cable outside of SciFi from 1994-2006 (with letterboxed intn'l versions appearing in 2002). The ubiquitous Megalon was on SciFi a lot too, but probably not exclusively. Starting in 1996, DAM and Hedorah found their cable home on SciFi although there's evidence that the old U.S. versions were broadcast infrequently into the 2000s on select local networks. Basically, if your program director had a 16mm print stashed away...

Beyond that, there were two other "packages" of Godzilla films. Besides the UPA titles advertised here, Alan Enterprises had its four (later three) Godzillas in decent circulation with Gigantis (later as "Godzilla Raids Again"), Ghidrah, Sea Monster, and Son of Godzilla. GRA disappeared from cable in the mid-90s but the other three titles in this group were still sometimes seen on TBS and Disney. King Kong vs. Godzilla, being a Universal title, wasn't packaged with the other Showa Godzilla entries but it still showed up alongside the "packaged films" on networks like Disney, SciFi, and WGN.

This is one of my favorite topics to "research" through TV listings in news archives. I grew up with Godzilla primarily by buying the movies but I caught as many on cable as I could so I have a lot of nostalgia for those days.
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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby lhb412 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:28 am

^ Don't forget Rodan, Gargantuas, and Frankenstein CTW included with the 'Saperstein 5.' A better block of syndicated Kaiju material didn't exist in the 90s! Those were the ones that showed up on MonsterVision.
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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby O.Supreme » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:35 am

I know a LOT of people have fond memories of Godzilla and other Toho Kaiju films in the 90's with TNT and Sci-Fi...however.... I still believe the best time was in the 80's when these were sold as packages to independent stations and shown in syndication. I pretty much got all the Godzilla films recorded to VHS except for GRA (which i did not see until Goodtimes VHS release in 1989), and DAM, which oddly disappeared form Bay Area channels in the early 80's, but still played in other markets.

My first exposure to Godzilla films on cable was in 1987 on WTBS (now just TBS), Grampa Munsters Super Scary Saturday. They played the Saperstein 5 along with Rodan, WotG and FCTW, and some other horror/sci-Fi mixed in for good measure. Watching this, along with NWA (later WCW) rasslin' made for quite some entertaining Saturdays.....

But still, having unique independent broadcasts were how I got some gems like Dagora, Matango, and the non Sandy-Frank Gamera's.... 8)
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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby H-Man » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:41 am

lhb412 wrote:^ Don't forget Rodan, Gargantuas, and Frankenstein CTW included with the 'Saperstein 5.' A better block of syndicated Kaiju material didn't exist in the 90s! Those were the ones that showed up on MonsterVision.


I can never forget that because it seemed that a programmer at AMC was obsessed with FCTW. :lol: UPA's The Last Days of Planet Earth was also seen on both AMC and TNT, although not as often. I don't think the other UPA titles (Lake of Drac, Evil of Drac, & ESPY) were ever shown on U.S. basic cable but I'm not certain.

As far as quality goes, I agree. Four iconic Godzillas (plus Revenge, which honestly isn't *that* bad) and three more classic Toho flicks (and the insane LDOPE); the Saperstein package was pretty much unmatched. But for quantity and total variety, I think you've gotta hand it to the Sci-Fi Channel, which at various points from 1992 to 2007 had shown any of the following:

Destroy All Monsters; Gamera (Sandy Frank); Gamera GOTU; Gamera vs. Barugon; Gamera vs. Gaos; Gamera vs. Guiron; Gamera vs. Zigra; GMK; Godzilla vs. Destoroyah; Godzilla vs. Gigan; Godzilla vs. Hedorah; Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah; Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla; Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II; Godzilla vs. Megaguirus; Godzilla vs. Megalon; Godzilla vs. Mothra ('92); Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla; GUNHED; Invasion of the Neptune Men (also on MST3K); King Kong Escapes; King Kong vs. Godzilla; Mothra ('61); Prince of Space (also on MST3K); Rebirth of Mothra (all three); Reptilian; Terror Beneath the Sea; Zeram

And that's obviously not even including any of the animated Japanese genre content they showed. Obviously say what you will about the quality of a number of those films but that's 29 tokusatsu movies (+ the similar Reptilian) over the span of the channel's first 15 years. All the more sad to think what they've become since then...
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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby Joseph Goodman » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:02 am

H-Man wrote:I can never forget that because it seemed that a programmer at AMC was obsessed with FCTW. :lol:

FCTW didn't get run nearly as run much as the rest of the UPA package, even Gargantuas... until that one AMC programmer got a hold of the UPA package. If I recally correctly, this same AMC person later ran MonstersHD for VOOM, which isn't surprising, given that MonstersHD's lineup was basically AMC Friday nights from late 1999-2001.
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Don't forget the Sandy Frank compilation jobs like Fugitive Alien, Star Force, and Time Of The Apes.
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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby H-Man » Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:14 pm

Joseph Goodman wrote:Don't forget the Sandy Frank compilation jobs like Fugitive Alien, Star Force, and Time Of The Apes.


Thanks, good catch! I believe those all aired before the Inner Mind Syfy Channel listings begin and I hadn't thought to look at those films on newspapers.com yet. But it does look like all three of those and Mighty Jack played at least once on SciFi in its first couple of years.
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Re: Cool Pictures Thread

Postby H-Man » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:23 am

Variety July 28, 1965

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Forgive the lengthy post but there's a lot to break down here!

"The Battle of the Leyte Gulf" is the only title here I can't attach to a produced film. Any ideas? (It may not have been produced.)

"The Space Monsters" could have been a working title for the upcoming Monster Zero but I think it actually might be an early version of Space Amoeba, which according to Japanese Wikipedia:

The original draft was one of the script for examination written in the United States in 1966, “Monster Attack”, which is also described in this title in the production lineup announced in 1969.


A 2012 book is cited, ISBN 9784864910132.

"The Two Frankensteins" of course is the germ of the idea that begat The War of the Gargantuas. Interesting that it was being considered more than a year in advance of the film's Japanese release! The similarly titled "The Two Men" may have eventually morphed into the evidently non-Toho Hell in the Pacific, starring Toshiro Mifune and Lee Marvin and directed by John Boorman. Both Bercovitch and Saperstein are credited on that film.

"Keg of Powder" is Toho's international title for the third of five International Secret Police films starring Tatsuya Mihashi. I can't find any evidence that it was ever eventually released in the U.S. as-is, although in a pre-release article about What's Up, Tiger Lily? (more on that in a bit), the Los Angeles Times reported this film had been "dubbed into English by Toho"; it's also listed in an appendix of English dubbed films in the 1968 volume of Toho Films.

"Tiger Fang" is the second of the aforementioned spy series. Stuart Galbraith IV notes an alternate title "Trap of Suicide Kilometer." As with "Powder," I can't confirm this was seen in the U.S., nor can I confirm it was dubbed, although that seems likely considering the rest of the series was.

"Kiska Island" would see limited release in the U.S. on television starting in 1973 as Retreat from Kiska. It premiered on LA's KNBC in primetime on 8/24/1973 with actor James Shigeta as a host of sorts. Production credits from a contemporary L.A. Times review: A KNBC presentation in cooperation with Henry G. Saperstein, UPA, and Toho Ltd ; English version direction by S. Richard Krown; Dialog by Riley Jackson (the latter two individuals did the English versions of various UPA released dubs, among others). The Times' review also notes that actors of Japanese descent were used to dub the movie. Kiska would continue playing in syndication in the U.S. through the early '80s but this U.S. version has essentially disappeared in the years since. I don't know if the James Shigeta segments were present in syndication versions.

"White Rose of Hong Kong" was released in Japan in 1965. Galbraith notes an English subtitled release in the U.S. (likely limited to west coast cities with big Japanese or Asian populations). Directed by Jun Fukuda, a coproduction with "Taiwan Motion Picture Co., Ltd." (Galbraith doesn't note Saperstein's involvement.)

I can't find anything about "Last Man from Paris" but I wonder if maybe that was a working title for 1965's Ironfinger? After all, Akira Takarada's character plays a French-Japanese spy. The timeline seems right and it would have been the exploitable and importable film Saperstein would have had his eye on. Ironfinger, by the way, was dubbed and offered as such by Toho during the '60s but I don't believe it ever played in the U.S.

The final title obviously is the absurd "Shh! There's a Cobra in the Basement of My Discotheque" (wtf?)... I hate to speculate, because that's all I can do with a title like this, but I'm pretty confident that this is the project that would evolve into What's Up, Tiger Lily?; for the uninformed, it was a Woody Allen film (his first as "director") stitched together from two of the International Secret Police films (mostly the fourth, Key of Keys but also the aforementioned A Keg of Powder) brought over by Saperstein. Allen and his team re-dubbed the edited film into a farce about a search for an egg salad recipe. Notably, Hideyo Amamoto plays a thug who poses as a bartender whom sics his snake on do-gooders. Tiger Lily hasn't aged too well but it's worth a look.

I have no idea about the two television series mentioned towards the end of the article. Maybe the International Secret Police series was what evolved into Tsuburaya's Mighty Jack.
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