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Postby GiganGoji » Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:17 am

zekend01 wrote:the meaning life is CONSUMERISM


And this is after a posted a thread asking people what they got in the Dealer's Room at G-Fest.
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Postby kidnicky » Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:59 am

I'm definately going to have to agree with Zekend. I'd also like to point out that you really MUST splurge a little and make your helmet out of real Reynold's brand foil. They can read your brainwaves right through that generic crap!!!!
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Postby zekend01 » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:30 am

^^^ :lol: :lol: :lol:

I find that drawing a circle around my bed at night with lamb's blood keeps the snakes in the ground JUST ONE MORE DAY! It's all ya can do! :wink:
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Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:34 am

EDIT: I didn't want to make anyone mad and i had nothing nice to say....
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Postby kidnicky » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:57 am

zekend01 wrote:^^^ :lol: :lol: :lol:

I find that drawing a circle around my bed at night with lamb's blood keeps the snakes in the ground JUST ONE MORE DAY! It's all ya can do! :wink:


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Postby TheMaster » Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:50 pm

GiganGoji wrote:
zekend01 wrote:the meaning life is CONSUMERISM


And this is after a posted a thread asking people what they got in the Dealer's Room at G-Fest.


Perhaps we're all part of the plot from John Caperpenter's THEY LIVE!
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Postby zekend01 » Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:14 am

Sometimes, after a real throw-down of a night with the chums, I too wear sunglasses the next morning and all the folks I see through them look amazingly like those toothy aliens... makes me want to go back to bed!
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Postby TheMaster » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:46 pm

As long as you don't start seeing "Rowdy" roddy piper acting again I think we'll be fine!
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Postby zekend01 » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:59 pm

Isn't that movie considered a cult classic?? I might have to watch it again... I was young at the time!
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Postby TheMaster » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:10 pm

I dunno(boy have I derailed the thread!). The concept was interesting(aliens making us consume), but I remember it being HORRIBLY BORING. Only saw it once.
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Postby zekend01 » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:49 am

Okay then, back on track...

Things are going ZHITHOUSE!!!!

There. =>
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:05 pm

zekend01 wrote:Isn't that movie considered a cult classic?? I might have to watch it again... I was young at the time!


They Live is one of the single coolest movies you or anybody on this planet will ever have the privilege of seeing, so yes, you HAVE to watch it again.
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Postby zekend01 » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:17 pm

well... I've got Friday night covered then!!
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Postby kidnicky » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:44 pm

Boring? I guess if you consider "Rowdy" Roddy Piper getting into a brawl using pro wrestling moves in order to get another guy to put on a pair of sunglasses for what feels like 45 minutes boring,then it is.
I really liked the movie. It was like a tribute to Phillip K. Dick,but written by an illiterate. :)
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Postby walshbeme » Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:02 am

My take is that Godzilla must evolve in a profound way that affects people. One thing that I realized while watching "Dead Man's Chest" is that if moviegoers are not "moved" one way or another by the story or characters, it's time to give it up. The film I just spoke of was extremely fun and the characters were memorable. I think we all can agree Godzilla is a character that will never be forgotten but the people at Toho and Sony/Tri-Star forgot what it was that made him so popular. Godzilla was the voice of redemption that forced people to realize unforeseen consequences of their actions and later on, the right to survive. That's why we've always routed for him.
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Postby TheMaster » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:52 pm

kidnicky wrote:Boring? I guess if you consider "Rowdy" Roddy Piper getting into a brawl using pro wrestling moves in order to get another guy to put on a pair of sunglasses for what feels like 45 minutes boring,then it is.
I really liked the movie. It was like a tribute to Phillip K. Dick,but written by an illiterate. :)



Actually that's the websters exact definition of boring! :wink: 45 minutes! Yeesh!

But again the plot elements were excellent, I think it was simply one of carpenters many misfires.
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Postby Dr. Tongue » Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:14 pm

kidnicky wrote:Boring? I guess if you consider "Rowdy" Roddy Piper getting into a brawl using pro wrestling moves in order to get another guy to put on a pair of sunglasses for what feels like 45 minutes boring,then it is.

I love that scene! IMO, it's the single greatest artistic achievement of Carpenter's career. It's better than the entire running time of Halloween!

In fact, it feels like the entire running time of Halloween! :lol:
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Postby zekend01 » Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:57 pm

I wish the series would get back some of that warmth and humanity with its human characters like back in the golden showa age. You know, character driven humor like Junko and that egg-guy demonstarted in the first 'vs. Mothra'.

I think the series has been devoid of that kind of chemistry pretty much all through the millenium movies except for GMK and maybe a little in G 2000 (the reporter chick and her interactions before she went through 'character development' *snicker* and got all deep and profound).

It's that old school interaction that makes a movies like Godzilla's Revenge or Atragon so damn watchable!!
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Postby kidnicky » Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:06 am

Probably the best way to jump start the franchise is to include that footage from Toungue's sig,with Luke Skywalker siccing his grizzly bear on that lady. Maybe Goji could rescue her from the bear or something,or maybe Mothra could fight him and the bear at once.
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Postby zekend01 » Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:35 pm

:shock: Eh? :lol:

I'm serious though. The human interaction, and the emotional investment, as such, is just as central as Godzy himself in these movies. And like Godzilla, remains as a constant.

Since you can't just have an ALL Godzilla movie and since we rely on these characterizations to move things and explain things (does anybody really want to hear monster talk again!??), I feel that SO MUCH MORE could be accomplished if more thought was invested in the human drama... NOT more screen time, more debth and complexity maybe. I'm sick of the 2 dimensional stuff :x
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Postby GiganGoji » Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:56 pm

zekend01 wrote:Since you can't just have an ALL Godzilla movie and since we rely on these characterizations to move things and explain things (does anybody really want to hear monster talk again!??)



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Postby zekend01 » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:08 pm

Yikes! Whenever my brain processes those lines I de-evolve just a little bit more. It's like my soul is being chipped away.
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Postby TheMaster » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:52 am

GiganGoji wrote:
zekend01 wrote:Since you can't just have an ALL Godzilla movie and since we rely on these characterizations to move things and explain things (does anybody really want to hear monster talk again!??)



"Hey Angilas!"
"What do ya want?"
"Somethin' funny's goin on! Ya better check!"


You forgot "OK" and also "dialogue said against a auido background of a cat being raped!"
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Postby zekend01 » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:19 pm

*shudders and swallows back down the rising spoonful of bile*
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Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:40 pm

zekend01 wrote:I wish the series would get back some of that warmth and humanity with its human characters like back in the golden showa age. You know, character driven humor like Junko and that egg-guy demonstarted in the first 'vs. Mothra'.

I think the series has been devoid of that kind of chemistry pretty much all through the millenium movies except for GMK and maybe a little in G 2000 (the reporter chick and her interactions before she went through 'character development' *snicker* and got all deep and profound).

It's that old school interaction that makes a movies like Godzilla's Revenge or Atragon so damn watchable!!


Definately, I think that's what makes MothravsGodzilla my favorite G flick, is that not only is the monster action very awesome, but the characters interact with each other on everyday levels and aren't just spewing out stuff about how much Godzilla can teach us, or their vendetta or their personal philosophy, they're just people, ordinary people in a VERY extraordinary situation...and the same actually goes for little Ichiro and his parents, and that crazy old guy with glasses who he's always hanging out with...
the Heisei series had NONE of that...
G2000 had a little little bit of that...and so did GMK and even GxMechaG but it wasn't enough, they didn't go anywhere with it, or they went there too fast...

EDIT: BTW anyone who doesn't LOVE THEY LIVE as a cult classic must be destroyed...it's FAN-tastic...and i love the fistfight all because of "hey, put the glasses on" 'NO!'
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