GODZILLA: KotM SPOILERS AND SPECULATION

[lhb412]

^ Makes sense. Perhaps jelly'll do it?

[Benjamin Haines]

^ He has thread-merging powers if he chooses to wield them but this thread is yours to retitle.

[lhb412]

... but, the other thread already has plenty of spoiler tagged morsels from the supposed test-screening leaks. I made this thread to avoid what I was seeing there.

[Benjamin Haines]

True. That's why I was thinking the spoiler discussion should probably be what gets moved to a different thread, since most people looking at the main thread probably aren't looking for spoilers. I figure that majority should be able to keep looking at the big thread without worrying about spoilers going forward. I can go back and edit my share of recent spoiler-tagged posts in the big thread if need be.

[jellydonut25]

^ That sounds good. Do ya think we should make a new thread or have the old one renamed?

I'd say just keep the main 82-page thread as it is and rename this thread as "Godzilla: KotM (2019) Plot Speculation & Spoilers" and maybe merge this one with the "Is Rodan evil?" thread since it fits the speculation bill.

DONE.

[jellydonut25]

I want to lay bare my prediction for the KOTM Post-Credit scene based on a few pieces of information:
1- We know there is one.
2- Michael Dougherty has said a Skull Island character will be returning in this movie.
3- I personally think that character is Brooks, who appears in the trailer as the black guy in the background when Godzilla surfaces who looks like he's in absolute GLEE.
4- That timeline piece of viral marketing from back a while that said Brooks led a return mission to Skull Island to check on Kong.


My prediction is something pretty similar to the post credit scene of Skull Island. Brooks will be conducting a meeting, talking about his return mission to Skull Island, and then we'll see some archival footage from that trip....maybe something that shows how Kong has grown over the course of the years.

[KaiserGhidorah]

According to the test screener review, Kong is not in the post credits scene nor does it have anything to do with him. I believe Kong only gets a mention in the film and that's it unless they choose to add something else last minute.

[gyaos]

Looks like there was another test screening late last week and the film might be a turd....

Albert DiCosta‏ @AlbertDiCosta1 20h20 hours ago

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Replying to @xtrowasframed @ManaByte
Not good news. I've heard there was a screening of Godzilla 2 this week at WB, and it was really bad and disjointed.



KPF - Kaiju Network‏ @kpf_yt Aug 19

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OH NO! Apparently Godzilla 2 sucks according to an early screening. Listen, the early reactions are always back and fourth like that, I don't care about anything until we get closer to the film, don't freak out. Everything so far has been positive.

[Benjamin Haines]

^ That sounds good. Do ya think we should make a new thread or have the old one renamed?

I'd say just keep the main 82-page thread as it is and rename this thread as "Godzilla: KotM (2019) Plot Speculation & Spoilers" and maybe merge this one with the "Is Rodan evil?" thread since it fits the speculation bill.

DONE.

Thanks for taking care of that.


I'm copying over my most recent spoiler-tagged post from the other thread below:

Image is whatever, but the brief plot description matches the test audience review leak from a month or so back. So if you wanna know everything that happens just do a little digging.

Are you talking about this one? That one did specify that the Russells are a divorced couple but it didn't say anything about Emma and Madison getting kidnapped or Mark joining forces with Serizawa and Graham to rescue them.

(I don't think the purported test screening review in that link is real but just in case it is I'll spoiler-tag the rest of this.)

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I do love the notion of this movie taking cues from Ghidorah the Three-Headed Monster. It would be terrific to see a modern-day rendition of Mothra, Godzilla & Rodan conversing with each other, and I like the incorporation of the Shobijin and G-Force. The ending it describes sounds derivative of the endings of Mothra '92 and Mechagodzilla '93. I think those are all indicators that some Godzilla fan made this up.

The other big fan-fiction concept in there is the idea that the Jonah Alan villain character first named in the Monarch timeline is actually Charles Dance playing an older version of Tom Hiddleston's character from Kong: Skull Island. It's possible but it's also (along with the rest of that review) just the sort of stuff that a Godzilla fan would make up after looking at the Monarch timeline.

Ben, I never got back to you on this, but no, I don't think that's the real plot-line. That one is way too heavy on GTTHM plot-lines (which surprisingly) this movie doesn't seem to be going for. I think the real one has

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Rodan committing a heel turn and siding with Ghidorah

and ends with

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Godzilla eating Ghidorah

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There were multiple early screening reviewers that said we never see the three monsters team-up against Ghidorah which is why I felt this was credible.

Hmmm... That seems to match what's described in this purported test screening description but it was posted on July 13, a day after you made your original post. Was there an earlier one that mentioned those things?

The plot description in that link is interesting because it was posted more than a week before Comic-Con and five days before the trailer's rating was listed on Alberta's film ratings web page. This one might be credible since so much of it does seem to line up with what we've seen in the trailer, but it's still possible that this was written by someone who had an early look at the trailer. If this does end up being the plot then this could be a really cool Godzilla movie. Here it is for those curious (edited for spelling and clarity):

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Main character is an ex-Monarch scientist whose son died in the San Francisco battle in the first movie. He had a falling out with his wife, who's also a Monarch scientist, because she's still sympathetic to the titans despite what happened. He left the organization and her to raise their daughter on her own. Movie opens with the ex-wife and her kid at the base that's studying the egg of Mothra. Mothra awakens and starts freaking out. The ex-wife uses the opportunity to use a machine she's been working on called the Orca that sends out frequencies the titans respond to. She successfully uses it to calm baby Mothra.

Then eco-terrorists show up, kidnap the ex-wife and kid along with their machine. Mothra escapes in the confusion and goes a into a cocoon in a waterfall. Monarch reaches out to the main character, since he helped his ex-wife build Orca and can track the frequencies they use. He doesn't get along with the Monarch characters since they all have boners for the titans. He's able tell that the eco-terrorists are headed to Antarctica. The eco-terrorists are led by an ex-British special forces guy who grew to resent humanity after all the wars he's been in. A team is sent to take out the terrorists and rescue the ex-wife and the kid. The main guy sneaks into the base himself. He finds his family, but they don't wanna go. The ex-wife activates Orca and awakens Ghidorah.

Both human groups barely escape while Ghidorah goes on a rampage. Godzilla shows up but gets his ass kicked. Back at Monarch, everyone is confused as to why the ex wife freed Ghidorah. They get a broadcast from the b*tch herself and she explains that she was working for the terrorists the whole time. She explains that they want to free the titans so they can stop humanity from f*cking the planet and let nature control itself again. Main guy and the b*tch argue for a bit and she reveals that she raised the kid to believe the same nonsense.

Eco-terrorists go to Mexico to unleash another titan. It's Rodan, who's fire-based now for some reason. Both Godzilla and Ghidorah show up. Godzilla and Rodan fight for a bit, but before Godzilla can kill him, Ghidorah starts attacking Godzilla. Godzilla manages to bite off one of his heads. The military shoots an experimental weapon called an Oxygen Destroyer at them. Godzilla seemingly dies, but Ghidorah not only survives but reveals that he can completely regenerate his head. Ghidorah screams and causes all the titans on Earth to go on a rampage, Rodan becomes his b*tch. Lots of people die. The kid is now super not on board.

Monarch finds out Godzilla is still alive because Mothra sends signals at him (their ancestors worked together all time). The main guy starts to warm up to Godzilla and helps the other guys come up with a way to revive him so he can stop Ghidorah. They track Godzilla to an ancient city deep within the ocean. It's a place where people once worshiped Godzilla and it's full of radiation that he feeds off from. They take a sub so they can use a nuke to jump start him.

The thing that fires the missiles is not working. The only way the plan would work is for someone to physically take the nuke to Godzilla and detonate it, but it would be suicide because of the high radiation. Asian guy volunteers himself and says goodbye to his comrades. He sets up the nuke in front of Godzilla. He puts his hand on Godzilla and tells him "Goodbye, old friend" in Japanese. The plan worked and Godzilla is ready to throw down.

With all the titans running around, major cities are being evacuated, including Boston where the terrorists are hiding. The b*tch realizes that Ghidorah is basically evil and will f*ck up everything harder than humans ever could. She urges the British guy to let her hook up the Orca to the speaker system in Fenway Park to lure all the titans there so hopefully one of them can take out Ghidorah. British guy doesn't really care, but the kid overhears the conversation and sneaks out with the Orca to do her mom's plan.

The kid successfully lures the titans to Boston but is attacked by Ghidorah. The mom realizes what happened and goes out to save the kid, the eco-terrorists don't help her and they f*ck off for the rest of the movie. The final battle happens. Mothra, Godzilla, and the military all work together to stop Ghidorah. Mothra brutally wounds Rodan with a stinger it's revealed to have. Ghidorah kills Mothra. Ghidorah and Godzilla are the only ones left, but Godzilla is losing. The family is reunited but see Godzilla having trouble. The mom decides to redeem herself and uses the Orca to distract Ghidorah long enough for Godzilla to get his sh*t together. The mom dies and Godzilla uses atomic aura blasts to melt away most of Ghidorah and then eats him alive. Ghidorah is trying come out from his mouth, but Godzilla uses atomic breath, killing him for good. The other titans show up and see Godzilla as the alpha titan and literally bow to him.

In the after credits, the British guy buys what I think is supposed to be a newly born Destroyah from some fishermen, it's hard to tell since the cgi isn't finished.

[Henry88]

for some odd reason this much clearer than the other trailer.

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[jellydonut25]

I need to post something for the sake of posterity, for my own reference later on.

I have a friend who is a spoiler hound, and I'm 100% convinced he looks up spoilers and then says them in a speculative way to make them sound like predictions and basically vents about spoilers "without spoiling" things.


For example, like 2 months before Skull Island came out, he was like "I bet the post-credit scene is something lame like...oh....I dunno...they're sitting in a board room and then someone from Monarch starts showing a slide show of pictures of cave paintings of the monsters or something" and then after the movie came out he was like "I can't believe I was right!"


In order to call him out, I gotta put this down so I don't forget.
He recently said, "So I've watched the trailer a bunch and I get the feeling that:

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Rodan shows up early and destroys stuff but then King Ghidorah kicks his ass in short order and we'll all feel kind of pissed that Rodan gets s*** on."

At this point, that's pretty much just speculation, but like I said, his "speculations" tend to be oddly specific.

[mrbluehair]

I don't get too excited by test screenings. That said most everything I've heard is positive. If the descriptions I've read are accurate, I'll be satisfied with the story. Didn't want to get spoilery but it really doesn't matter because in the context of visually seeing the movie it will all be new.

Besides we KNOW Godzilla has to survive, otherwise Kong will be twirling his weiner in the next movie.

Also it will be a bit different in certain contexts of what we know as Godzilla....and some the same. The key is newbies will not have that history to look on and say they saw that before or, I thought they were friends, etc. The indelible things we know are "Godzilla generally gets beat up before winning a fight, Mechagodzilla nearly killed him before he used lightning to power up, Rodan sacrificing himself to beat MG2 etc. Mothra always "dies" etc.

We fans will see it, and from all accounts, we will get lots of pretty things to look at and lots of monster fights.

One review said the only "drawback" they saw was it was shot out of a cannon and never relents. I will take that any day to "When are we going to see something"

That is the recipe, if it's good, to have legs because it creates "Whoah, I missed something, and need to see it again" effect. Last movie was easy to follow because there was so much downtime between fights and they were so short.

Also I've heard two end credits scenarios....one is as posted above and the other while similar had a different creature depicted....

Either way I'm going to call it, the creature depicted in the post credits above is accurate, after brawling a bit with each other (And maybe taking out some of the other Titans along the way, the two Kings have to work together to defeat the ultimate opponent created by the eco-terrorists. One that could be exceptionally awesome in CGI form. Sure it's the same concept as Batman V Superman, but can be done right....

It's like wrestling...you can have the two top babyfaces square off, problem is who goes over? It's like Sting V Undertaker...someone will win but then one has to lose and tarnish his legacy, what positive does that serve? You bring in the monster heel and they team up together despite their differences. In the end you are left with mutual respect and both carry on defending the planet.

I win!

[mrbluehair]

I read in another forum the alternate version to the end credits scene from what is posted above....

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Instead of a infant Destroyah, it's the severed head of Ghidorah that is sold to Charles Dance from the Mexico battle, problem is that in the end of the movie it takes an internal blast to kill the still living head in Godzilla's mouth to finish it off. If that's the case wouldn't the Mexico head still be alive and regenerating and therefore difficult to manage? Now if it sill still alive then we would have a GvKvKG battle in the final movie which could be cool but again, how do you finish of KG if it failed the first time around? It would have to be completely incinerated. Plus you need a new monster....Rocky didn't fight Drago again in the next movie after all.

[XvGojira]

They've said that there is a definitive winner in the new GvKong movie so what if...

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The Destroyer spoiler is accurate and Godzilla and Kong fight together but Godzilla dies in the end, making Kong the victor. It also gives the movies a stopping point/a reason they don't continue on with Godzilla if Toho doesn't renew the license to Legendary.

[Jinzo Ningen]

They've said that there is a definitive winner in the new GvKong movie so what if...

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The Destroyer spoiler is accurate and Godzilla and Kong fight together but Godzilla dies in the end, making Kong the victor. It also gives the movies a stopping point/a reason they don't continue on with Godzilla if Toho doesn't renew the license to Legendary.

Nope. You don' kill the goose that laid the golden egg. If this movie & GvK rake in buku bucks then it's doubtful they'd (Legendary) be foolhardy to kill off their star. Who knows, but seems doubtful if they wanted to re-negotiate the use of the Toho stable kaiju for another batch of films. Of course they could kill G off and then simply resurrect him with an h-bomb or some such.

[mrbluehair]

Well it said there would be a winner....doesn't mean death. Even if it does, I'd think it would be Kong but in another sacrificial moment. Either that or Godzilla in the end is less worse for wear and could continue the fight where as Kong is exhausted and near death but Godzilla shows him grace.

Despite K:SI, this is still the Godzilla story and while themes differed in the 60's with less invested in the franchises, at this point, Godzilla has to be the ultimate victor.

[TerranigmaFreak]

The movie has been rated by the MPAA for NC-17.

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http://www.godzilla-movies.com/news/godzilla-2-king-the-monsters-officially-given-mpaa-rating

PG-13

[Henry88]

‘Godzilla: King Of The Monsters’ is ‘about how humans coexist' with the battling creatures, explains Ken Watanabe

I recently had the chance to talk to Watanabe about his performance in “Bel Canto.” But towards the end of our discussion I turned the conversation quickly to “Godzilla: King Of The Monsters,” asking Watanabe how the film is different to its predecessor.

“It’s different because in ‘Godzilla: King Of The Monsters,’ the scientists play a central role, so rather than a story about how humans fight with the monsters, it is about how humans can coexist with them.”

https://www.metro.us/entertainment/movi ... n-watanabe

[Henry88]

a closer look at those heads and dame i do hope that this the demon on the galaxy.

[XvGojira]

Possible NECA Mothra prototype

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[TerranigmaFreak]

Looks pretty good. I wonder who will be making the toys for this movie? Still Hasbro? I heard Mattel did a fantastic job with Jurassic World 2 toys. Why not let Mattel get a crack at making Godzilla toys?

[lhb412]

Tryin' to steer clear of the speculation, but Dougherty just retweeted this bit of paleontology news and... well, his science related reposts have been mostly rooted in tying into the kaiju for KotM and this dinosaur skull....



https://twitter.com/NatGeo/status/1055144973945978880

... looks a bit like a certain spiky friend, no?

[TerranigmaFreak]

Angillas is an Ankylosaur though. I mean, obviously scientific accuracy is not something I expect from a Godzilla movie, so who knows.

Pachys being possibly omnivorous isn't actually a new idea. It's been suggested long ago. In fact, the first Troodon teeth resemble Pachy teeth. It was thought that Troodon was actually a Pachycephalosaurus at first because of the teeth. There's also speculation that ceratopsians were also omnivorous. They have powerful jaws and slicing teeth, even if they're different from theropods. Both pachys and ceratopsians belong to the clade Marginalcepholia.

[angilas]

^They may reimagine him as a Precambrian beast.
I can’t find any evidence online so I guess I need to rewatch it but wasn’t Legendary Goji from the Precambrian era and not an actual dinosaur? In GRA/Gigantis the fire monster weren’t he and Angilas ancient rivals, so if Angilas shows up I’d guess he’ll have a similar origin to Mutos. I assume the Pac reference is just so they can make him an omnivore and if the Nat geo news concerned ankylosaurs directly they’d have referenced it but will take what they can get.

^ He has thread-merging powers if he chooses to wield them but this thread is yours to retitle.

Still want to see this guy fight Hedorah. Let’s not forget Banno is partly responsible for us getting the legendary verse (RIP)

[jellydonut25]

They don't really specifically state in G2014, but they just say he's an ancient superspecies.