GODZILLA: King of the Monsters (5-31-19 -NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby gyaos » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:40 am

The monsters have terrific, distinctive themes that suits them perfectly. Nothing any Hollywood composer comes up with will be as evocative.

Each monster should get one playing of his/her classic theme.

No different than Rocky or James Bond (or Mission Impossible for a recent example). You need that music.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby mrbluehair » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:47 am

The brief info released has me on the.#redbamboo bandwagon
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Mac » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:12 pm

There are design leaks for all the monsters designs circulating. After they dropped someone posted this, alleged, maquette of Rodan...

http://funkyimg.com/i/2JteB.jpg


I think it's legit, if only because it seems way too influenced by natural predators, just like Legendary's Godzilla design is. Not much to complain about otherwise. Definitely the best of the Legendary designs (especially if the Mothra design is real, good god).
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby tbeasley » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:49 pm

Some other stuff is floating around... I'm staying away from story spoilers but as for the designs I'll have to wait and see more...
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Kailem » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:13 pm

Yeah I'm staying away from story spoilers as well, but possible monster designs I'm fine with having a look at. And yeah, if that Rodan maquette is legit, then I like it too. The pose and angle make it look a little on the "giant torso, tiny legs" side of things, but that's clearly just the specific perspective we're seeing it from here. The head looks distinctly "Rodan" while obviously swaying a bit closer to reality than the original films did, and I've got nothing to complain about with any of the rest of it. It looks really good.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby TerranigmaFreak » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:14 pm

Wait, there are Mothra designs floating around? I must have missed it. Can someone link it?
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby jellydonut25 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:22 pm

TerranigmaFreak wrote:Wait, there are Mothra designs floating around? I must have missed it. Can someone link it?

On my phone, so I can’t but after Legendary posted that thing with the Temple of the Moth with Mothra’s bad relief looking very much like MOTHRA, my BS meter is at full tilt on those sketches.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby jellydonut25 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:24 pm

gyaos wrote:The monsters have terrific, distinctive themes that suits them perfectly. Nothing any Hollywood composer comes up with will be as evocative.

Each monster should get one playing of his/her classic theme.

No different than Rocky or James Bond (or Mission Impossible for a recent example). You need that music.

I don’t get why people get so hung up on and bent out of shape about the music.

Gojira doesn’t even have the Godzilla theme that everyone wants played in every Godzilla movie.
The Tezuka films don’t have it and you don’t even notice. As long as the music is good unto itself, the lack of Ifukube music isn’t noticeable. It’s just that the 2014 score stinks out loud
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby gyaos » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:03 pm

Mac wrote:There are design leaks for all the monsters designs circulating. After they dropped someone posted this, alleged, maquette of Rodan...

http://funkyimg.com/i/2JteB.jpg


I think it's legit, if only because it seems way too influenced by natural predators, just like Legendary's Godzilla design is. Not much to complain about otherwise. Definitely the best of the Legendary designs (especially if the Mothra design is real, good god).


My God, the Mothra design is horrifically bad, if this leak is legit. It's nothing like a moth, lol. She's now a common housefly with long legs

Ghidora has fat necks, way too short legs (4 legs?), and is "eh" otherwise.

Rodan is the only one that looks decent. What the F is so difficult about taking the original designs and just updating?

If someone wants to see the drawings, here's a link....

https://twitter.com/LFTFJdog/status/1018027256294322177
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Gargantuan Gargantua » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:38 pm

I don't hate that Mothra design as far as something on it's own. Those legs are way too long though for me to consider it Mothra. I think Ghidorah looks great and Rodan looks decent minus the feathers.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby lhb412 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:00 pm

I'm honestly fine with that Mothra design. To me it's no more drastic a redesign than the various Rebirth of Mothra transformations or the wasp-based GMK design. I always expected them to beef up her legs to make it easier for grabbing and grappling.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby jellydonut25 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:48 pm

https://www.deviantart.com/alpharaptor9 ... -694330700


Legendary put out this...and everyone thinks that fake sketch is legit.
Y’all are crazy.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby tbeasley » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:47 am

I can dig Rodan and come around to Ghidorah (although I'm bummed they seemingly went with the wyvern/bat crawling posture) but I really hope that promo image is more indicative of the Mothra design that whatever those sketches seem to show.

And I know there's like 5 of us here but can we change the thread title to Godzilla: King of the Monsters - May, 31, 2019?

Also - After Desplat's Oscar win for Shape of Water I can see them bringing him back, if not it's highly likely Dougherty's regular composer Douglas Pipes might be doing the score.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby mrbluehair » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:32 am

I’m with Jelly, those sketches at best could be brainstorming, IMO at least for Ghidorah, I think it will be massive and menacing and because of CGI probably faster and a bit more agile. If it can use its wings from time to time as forelimbs I’m cool with that because just walking around with wings open wide while traditional would seem silly. Now as an initial intimidation move I almost expect Ghidorah to land with wings spread (not unlike the Male Muto’s initial reaction to first seeing Godzilla and how many creatures act prior to a fight) to truly show what I think would be a size advantage over Godzilla.
I also think there will be a certain elegance or even regalness to the design, almost that cool villain that looks too pretty to be evil yet is far more wicked than its look belies. I mean it’s a golden dragon compared to the hulking, grizzled Godzilla. Again it’s pure speculation on my part.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Kailem » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:04 pm

I don't even particularly dislike that Mothra design (to be honest I've always felt like I'd like her more if she were more bug-like), but yeah I'm also a bit skeptical that those pics are real. The Rodan maquette is one thing, but those drawings are obviously much easier to fake.

I'm getting used to the idea of Ghidorah having his wings as forelimbs, but I also agree that the necks there look a bit too thick. But as I say I'm not putting too much stock in those pics as being legit.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby lhb412 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:20 pm

The curve of the horns on the back of Rodan's neck are different in the sketch and model, though they are otherwise similar... but the vagueness of the sketch also contributes to that.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby TerranigmaFreak » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:05 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:https://www.deviantart.com/alpharaptor96/art/Temple-of-the-Moth-694330700


Legendary put out this...and everyone thinks that fake sketch is legit.
Y’all are crazy.


Yeah, this is the design that I saw. Looks way more traditional than that weird sketch. Besides, the cave paintings in Skull Island also make Mothra look normal.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:27 pm

That Rodan maquette looks fantastic. I hope it's real and I hope Rodan ends up looking like that in the movie. It's very '56-esque while also incorporating vulture traits.

I don't think any of those sketches are real. Apparently they came from somebody's YouTube video? Why is that video worth talking about?


Mac wrote:Image is whatever, but the brief plot description matches the test audience review leak from a month or so back. So if you wanna know everything that happens just do a little digging.


Are you talking about this one? That one did specify that the Russells are a divorced couple but it didn't say anything about Emma and Madison getting kidnapped or Mark joining forces with Serizawa and Graham to rescue them.

(I don't think the purported test screening review in that link is real but just in case it is I'll spoiler-tag the rest of this.)
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I do love the notion of this movie taking cues from Ghidorah the Three-Headed Monster. It would be terrific to see a modern-day rendition of Mothra, Godzilla & Rodan conversing with each other, and I like the incorporation of the Shobijin and G-Force. The ending it describes sounds derivative of the endings of Mothra '92 and Mechagodzilla '93. I think those are all indicators that some Godzilla fan made this up.

The other big fan-fiction concept in there is the idea that the Jonah Alan villain character first named in the Monarch timeline is actually Charles Dance playing an older version of Tom Hiddleston's character from Kong: Skull Island. It's possible but it's also (along with the rest of that review) just the sort of stuff that a Godzilla fan would make up after looking at the Monarch timeline.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby lhb412 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:50 pm

Dougherty hyping up Rodan's volcano (presumably):

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mike_Dougher ... 9411273728

I'm happy to see him emphasizing Rodan. Of the four kaiju he's the easiest to get lost in the shuffle: Godzilla's the star; Ghidorah is the heavy; Mothra is the benevolent, mystical one; and Rodan is... the other one - or at least he easily could be.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:50 am

Apparently, "someone who works to make Christmas ornaments" said the rumored Rodan maquette is not far off from what they got.


Take that with a grain of salt about yay big:
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Gojira07 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:55 am

mrbluehair wrote:I’m with Jelly, those sketches at best could be brainstorming, IMO at least for Ghidorah, I think it will be massive and menacing and because of CGI probably faster and a bit more agile. If it can use its wings from time to time as forelimbs I’m cool with that because just walking around with wings open wide while traditional would seem silly. Now as an initial intimidation move I almost expect Ghidorah to land with wings spread (not unlike the Male Muto’s initial reaction to first seeing Godzilla and how many creatures act prior to a fight) to truly show what I think would be a size advantage over Godzilla.
I also think there will be a certain elegance or even regalness to the design, almost that cool villain that looks too pretty to be evil yet is far more wicked than its look belies. I mean it’s a golden dragon compared to the hulking, grizzled Godzilla. Again it’s pure speculation on my part.



The GHidorah design makes a ton of sense, and I bet in a more traditional "flight" pose - it looks closer to what everyone thinks they want to see. The original design is just too bulky to really make sense in a "realistic" take. Its sort of the same for some of the negative reactions I've seen to the Rodan design, which is a fantastic design - I've seen several people lamenting that its not the 57 design. Like FFS, Toho won't even use that design again.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby gyaos » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:01 am

A while back, a guy sent me a direct message on another forum about a test screening he attended. I said I didn't want any spoilers but he did say the designs were all pretty much traditional but updated a bit, nothing like Mothra being a fly. So I hope he was right.

However, he said the movie is bad bad bad. A ton of monster action and fighting, maybe the most he ever saw in a film of this kind. But the overall plot/story was razzie worthy.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:13 am

I'm not putting too much (any?) stock into any early plot leaks. This early test screening (which I kinda honestly wonder about even happening, frankly) was supposedly a rough, SHORT cut of what had been done so far. The effects were pre-vis, and it was prior to re-shoots. Supposing a test screening like this was actually held, it was essentially a 'rough draft' of the movie, and they're not typically trying to 'show off' as much as they are get feedback. What did people specifically like/dislike? And then they tailor the reshoots from there.

Early test screenings of lots of movies have turned out massively different from the final product. I wouldn't trust "some guy" on "some site" who supposedly saw a test screening, saying it was "razzie level" when the other leaks coming from the supposed test screening (jesus, how many people have seen this supposed test screening? it feels like way more than even COULD have) were positive.

It all REEKS of nonsense.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby lhb412 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:27 am

jellydonut25 wrote:Apparently, "someone who works to make Christmas ornaments" said the rumored Rodan maquette is not far off from what they got.


Take that with a grain of salt about yay big:
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The best thing about this rumor: Godzilla KotM Christmas ornaments! As someone who's tree is covered in the Tardis, Adam West Batman, and (yes) Godzilla ornaments I appreciate a nerdy Christmas ornament... but does the timeline make sense? Would the ornaments come out in six months, meaning they'll be sold far in advance of the film, or would they already be working on 2019's ornaments?
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby TerranigmaFreak » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:45 am

I want Rodan on my Christmas tree!
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