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Spinning flame-jetted turtles, space birds being chopped up like bologna, kids in shorts screaming for help...the original Gamera series was a strange mix of wacky fun!! The 90's Gamera films set a standard that other kaiju films are measured against! Discuss Gamera films here!!

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Postby kiryugoji04 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:27 am

Counter-argument: Ultraman Ace.

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Postby king_ghidorah » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:32 am

Someday I'll watch that show, but it'll have to be subbed. I need to understand the insanity I'm seeing, as much as possible at least.

I dunno, I like 70's era tokusatsu (ok-I initially just said "toku" here, but for whatever reason that abbreviation seems to spark ire and hate from some of the old timers for reasons of which I'm not quiet sure). I enjoy 70's toku ("OH GODZILLA! WHAT TERRIBLE LANGUAGE!" it I give up) un-ironically, and we both share a love of Gigan so I might actually like Ace if/when I see it. :D
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:35 am

Ace is wacky and weird and crazy and colorful and unpredictable and wild.

Guiron is downright drab by comparison and the pacing renders it an absolute snore-fest. Yawn.

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Postby king_ghidorah » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:55 am

Do you still like Barugon and half of Gyaos at least?
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:34 pm

About three-quarters of Gyaos, actually, and I like Jiger too. The first twenty minutes of Viras are delightful but I have to pretend the film ends after the race is over. The first film is hilarious to watch because the script is so bad and Barugon is the only one that is comparable to Toho's output.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:47 pm

I'd agree with all of that except your assement of Guiron. You're the only human being I've ever known to call that movie dull.

Maybe it's not as outlandish and crazy as Ace, but it's delightful, harmless fun.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, to fully appreciate that film it helps to have seen it as a child.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:45 pm

I really have fun with vs. Guiron. It was my first Gamera film, so maybe that has something to do with it? I dunno. I think even if I had first seen it as an adult I'd still be into it.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:47 pm

All I know is I went into it expect "OOO, WACKY JAPANESE MONSTER HIJINKS" and came away extremely disappointed. I was probably spoiled by Ultraman.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:48 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:All I know is I went into it expect "OOO, WACKY JAPANESE MONSTER HIJINKS" and came away extremely disappointed. I was probably spoiled by Ultraman.


Well...after Ace everything else seems super tame.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:50 pm

And Taro. I saw the Mochiron episode of Taro waaaaay before I ever saw Guiron. Yuasa is just such a tedious director to me. :/
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Postby lhb412 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:20 pm

I need to see Ultraman Ace.
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Postby MouthForWar » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:03 am

king_ghidorah wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again, to fully appreciate that film it helps to have seen it as a child.


TRUUUUUUUUTH.

I feel like me and KG need to start a Gamera vs. Guiron cult or something.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:09 am

king_ghidorah wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again, to fully appreciate that film it helps to have seen it as a child.
I never saw it until I was an adult and I adore it.
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Postby O.Supreme » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:23 am

The first time I saw Guiron was the Sandy Frank version @ 1990. I hated the dubbing and it made an already silly movie almost intolerable. Then I finally tracked down the AIP version "Attack of the Monsters" ok- at least this was a silly verison of a film I could nto watch. Having the S!F DVD is nice to have the original Japanese version in great quality, but in all honestly 9/10 times I watch this film, it has to be MST3K ;) . Oh and since I posted it elsewhere, I just revisted the Neptune Media VHS version "Gamera vs Guillon". A glorified fan edit, but it definitely brings somethign unique that none of the others has. Translated Japanese on screen text. I can't believe i actually own 4 different versions of this film :lol: .

Anyway, as for Super Monster. Yes it is a mess, but I'd like to know more about the american company that did the dub for it (wasn't AIP or Sandy Frank...). online information is scarce at best. Also I actually did have a TV broadcast version with the English opening cedits. I pannicking now that I may have lost it, I'll have to remember to check when I get home.
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Postby H-Man » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:26 am

O.Supreme wrote:Anyway, as for Super Monster. Yes it is a mess, but I'd like to know more about the american company that did the dub for it (wasn't AIP or Sandy Frank...). online information is scarce at best. Also I actually did have a TV broadcast version with the English opening cedits. I pannicking now that I may have lost it, I'll have to remember to check when I get home.


Well, the dub is an international one (Hong Kong). Filmways released basically the complete international version here. The only difference is that their logo is tacked on the front of the film.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:12 am

MouthForWar wrote:
king_ghidorah wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again, to fully appreciate that film it helps to have seen it as a child.


TRUUUUUUUUTH.

I feel like me and KG need to start a Gamera vs. Guiron cult or something.


I'm already half-way there. A have a whole shelf devoted to Guiron figures in my collection, an honor that no other villain kaiju has in my entire collection.

Guiron is essentially a colder, deadlier version of Red King (they're both bullies but Guiron is a little better at it, that doesn't detract from Red King mind you...one of the things that's so appealing about him is just how stupid he can be at times (see Ultraman Max)) personality wise and he has to be one of the most visually striking kaiju from the Godzilla/Gamera universes. (not going to mention Ultraman because he's pretty tamed compared to a lot of kaiju there).

The film itself, is pure, innocent magic. Maybe one of the reasons you don't like it Jared is because it was talked up as being some sort of crazy, zaney adventure but in reality, it's just the sort of thing kids would pretend was happening on the playground.

Jelly, glad you liked it even as an adult! :D
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:11 pm

king_ghidorah wrote:Maybe one of the reasons you don't like it Jared is because it was talked up as being some sort of crazy, zaney adventure but in reality, it's just the sort of thing kids would pretend was happening on the playground.


Man, my imagination was so much better than that sh*t as a kid. :P
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:52 pm

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king_ghidorah wrote:Maybe one of the reasons you don't like it Jared is because it was talked up as being some sort of crazy, zaney adventure but in reality, it's just the sort of thing kids would pretend was happening on the playground.


Man, my imagination was so much better than that sh*t as a kid. :P


Yeah. I mean...it's pretty boring compared to what I thought up on the playground.

I still like it...but maybe I don't like it THAT much. It's not some TRIUMPH OF IMAGINATION or anything.

It's just goofy and terrible in just the right ways for me.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:07 pm

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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:11 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:
kiryugoji04 wrote:
king_ghidorah wrote:Maybe one of the reasons you don't like it Jared is because it was talked up as being some sort of crazy, zaney adventure but in reality, it's just the sort of thing kids would pretend was happening on the playground.


Man, my imagination was so much better than that sh*t as a kid. :P


Yeah. I mean...it's pretty boring compared to what I thought up on the playground.

I still like it...but maybe I don't like it THAT much. It's not some TRIUMPH OF IMAGINATION or anything.

It's just goofy and terrible in just the right ways for me.
TRIUMPH OF IMAGINATION and what I goofed around with whilst playing in the sandbox on a typical lazy day are pretty far apart.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:46 pm

Thanks for the back-up Jelly. I don't know why a children's film has to be so damned divisive. I don't think anyone is claiming it's a masterpiece of cinema. It's one of my favorite films of all time and I'm not sure I can even call it a good movie.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:16 pm

I don't know why you had to have back up when somebody said they liked the movie even if they weren't impressed by anything in it so much as they found it to be a giant unintentional joke.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:19 pm

Oh sweet Jebus.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:32 pm

king_ghidorah wrote:Oh sweet Jebus.


He has nothing to do with this. :lol:
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