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XBOX 720 will you get one?

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Postby Tom R VanSlambrouck » Mon May 27, 2013 3:41 am

Well if I can still play games from GF then I'll be getting the Xbox One.
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Postby Dr Kain » Tue May 28, 2013 7:20 pm

[quote]Similar to the movie and music industry, games must meet country-specific regulatory guidelines before they are cleared for sale,â€
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Postby O.Supreme » Wed May 29, 2013 1:37 pm

There are no more good TV Shows, only ones that haven't disappointed me yet.
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Postby canofhumdingers » Wed May 29, 2013 2:07 pm

I'm not a die hard gamer by any means, but I certainly enjoy console gaming. But I've always prefered Playstation products (the fact that they've typically been early adopters of new home video tech like DVD and bluray has always played a big role in this as I'm very much into film and home video tech).

But this... based on what I'm reading, sounds horrible. I mean, I was unlikely to get the new xbox over the new playstation but now there's pretty much no way I'm ever going to even use one of these things. Even at a friend's house (not that it sounds like MS would allow me to use a friend's anyway....).
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Postby Henry88 » Wed May 29, 2013 6:04 pm

The past couple of days people have been complaining about the Xbox One with a series of legitimately complaints, because quite frankly, the Xbox One is going to suck. There's no way around that. The marketing decisions behind that machine are absolutely bonkers, and they're going to dig themselves the biggest, deepest grave I've ever seen a gaming company dig itself into. That aside, the whole ordeal has resurrected one of my age old complaints, dreams, and realizations, and that is: why the "OH GODZILLA! WHAT TERRIBLE LANGUAGE!" do we even still have video game consoles?

A lot of people complain when I say this. They talk about "healthy competition" and, well, okay. I still don't need to buy a Disney brand DVD player to watch Tangled, and I don't need to buy a Warner brand CD player to listen to Linkin Park (People still listen to CDs, right? Linkin Park is still licensed to Warner, right? Linkin Park is still relevant, right?) The competition argument just doesn't make much sense to me, and neither do the separation of our utilities.

We live in a time when we don't need video game consoles, not exclusive ones anyway. Hell, I'm amazed the home video market still exists with video game consoles being capable of playing videos of both the DVD and Blu-ray formats in addition to playing games in addition to having Internet browsers in addition to having a billion custom apps in addition to also handling music in addition to having a thousand output opportunities in addition to handling all of this media from a USB hard drive. But you know what else does that?

A computer.

Now, I'm not going to tote the computer "master race" bullshit, because I actually don't do a whole lot of computer gaming. Home computers simply haven't developed in a direction that pleases me, but that doesn't mean they can't, and they definitely should have. A long time ago. We're at a time when pretty much every family as a local Wi-Fi network, so there isn't any reason variously sized monitors (televisions) could be displayed around the home each one syncing with controllers, remotes, whatever.

But even taking a step backwards from that, let's look at a computer tower. Most of them can handle gaming, despite all the "uber nerds" bitching about the necessity of a high performance system. I have a pretty ratty set up, always have, and I've only ever had minimal issues with gaming. Nothing that's any worse than my dedicated consoles have given me. Progressive TV screens are already pretty much computer monitors, and it wouldn't be that difficult to include an RF input on the back of the tower for analog televisions. This is something which can be done. Why isn't it possible for games manufacturers simply to release their games on DVDs and Blu-ray discs like everybody else, and allow those things to be played on the average PC?

Let me take a brief moment to explain that when I say "PC", I refer to all home computers (Macs, Windows, Linux, doesn't matter). I know this is probably wrong, and it might confuse some people. I've heard a few people use PC only in reference to Windows. Whatever. To me it means "Personal computer", and that's about it.

Some people complain about "Oh, well, but the ingenuity! The consoles with their controllers and their motion controls! How would the Wii work?" and to that I say: USB peripherals. Is it so hard to imagine plugging the motion sensing bar into a USB port? Controllers, too? Or maybe just a type of wireless receiver which accepts the commands of various controllers? This isn't rocket science, and this isn't difficult to figure out. Would it hold games back? No, absolutely not.

If anything it would keep them relevant, and that's part of the real problem here, isn't it? If people retained the ability to play old games, publishers would lose the ability to repackage them. That's what the real reason for the removal of the GBA slot on DS systems is. Kind of weird how that happened right alongside the launch of the handheld WiiWare market, which was closely followed by the handheld Virtual Console, isn't it? Same deal with the recent Wii models and the Wii U not being able to handle GCN games. Expect a GameCube Virtual Console soon.

All the hubbub about the lack of backwards compatibility on the Xbox One? Sony tried it with the PS3? It's all to force people to re-buy games they already had. These corporate overlords don't want people being able to use the same copy of a game generation after generation. They want to repackage the same thing instead of innovating. This is a major issue.

All it would take is one operating system dedicated to keeping formats playable and simply adding new formats alongside the old ones. This is something PC developers haven't quite figured out yet, either that or they pull the same bullshit the game corporations do. I can't play my old copy of Sonic R for some reason, because my computer is advanced beyond Windows XP. That's not right. It's also talk for another post.

What I'm really getting at here is this: we, as the consumers, shouldn't have to put up with these "dedicated" machines when we could have easy and unlimited customization at our fingertips. We should no longer have to put up with having three billion devices plugged into our TVs and power strips and jacking up our electric bills. Technology is at a point where we can literally do with one device per television which is capable of handling all of the media. Hell, that device could even be the television.

Don't worry about your precious competition, though, because it's still going to exist in a number of forms. Who develops the best controller, who develops the best motion device, who develops the best games? Of course we already have an active competition between PC developers, so that part of it shouldn't be tough to imagine at all.

There's no reason for companies to insist on all of this hardware any longer. The way I see it, people need a total of about four things, three if you imagine the TV as capable of containing the necessary computer components: a home media device, a handheld device, and possibly a dedicated eInk e-reader for people, such as myself, who can't stand reading on the harsh screens of the other devices. Unless, of course, they figure out how to incorporate eInk in with the other screen styles, in which case, rock on. The only other potential device I can imagine is some equivalent to the laptop.

Consoles? DVD players? Phones? Remnants of a bygone era. Reminders that we are all under the thumbs of people trying to halt progress, to halt freedom. But more than any of that political stuff, reminders that there are people who are just trying to ruin it for everyone, and we're all just trying to have a good time.


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Postby Dr Kain » Thu May 30, 2013 12:49 am

We already knew that.

BTW, I've decided that the only way I will buy this tv giant box thing is only if the Kinect talks to me in GLaDOS' voice. I mean, if the thing is going to be watching me 24/7, they might as well let me get some enjoyment out of it.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:18 pm

much like I did with the 360, i'll be holding off for at least a full calendar year after both xbox one and ps4 are released to make a decision.

however, xbox one sounds pretty awful. I buy game consoles for gaming, not for tv, movies, sports, fantasy football tracking, and constant surveillance.
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Postby Dr Kain » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:37 pm

MS has canceled their round table discussion with the media after their E3 conference.

That is definitely not a good sign.
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Postby Henry88 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:09 pm

Wow. That tells me that they're going to reveal some things they don't want to have to talk about...
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Postby Dr Kain » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:38 pm

Henry88 wrote:Wow. That tells me that they're going to reveal some things they don't want to have to talk about...


Oh, it gets better. According to some site called gaf or something, MS is offering money to third party companies to not bring playable PS4 demos of their games to E3 and only the X1 versions.

I really hope that is false, because if it isn't, that is really low and dirty even for someone like MS.
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Postby Tom R VanSlambrouck » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:16 am

Kain what's your source on MS cancelling their roundtable? IGN isn't reporting it nor is Kotaku.
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Postby Dr Kain » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:25 am

Tom R VanSlambrouck wrote:Kain what's your source on MS cancelling their roundtable? IGN isn't reporting it nor is Kotaku.


Here are a few links or various things:

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=61504857

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576869

https://twitter.com/stevetilley/status/ ... 8924789760
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Postby Henry88 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:50 pm

More details from Major Nelson today: http://majornelson.com/2013/06/06/detai ... -features/

Basically, still need to connect to the internet once a day to play games, cloud saves, still need an install, disc and download versions will be available the same day, and "we're leaving it up to publishers on used games" and you can give games away to your friends.

Oh those:
*Internet: still tend to connect my PS3 and Xbox the the web very rarely, usually to download. Ditto for my Vita. This is a rather stupid requirement and frankly will lead to me plugging it in and D/Cing soon after. Also Microsoft notes that "The global internet speed is 2.9 MPS and we require only 1.5 MPS for the XB1." Yeah, I'm sure that will mollify the folks like Doc.

*Cloud saves: Silly. Never use them. Even with Steam I prefer to have local based saves.

*Install: A nuisance, but given that PC games have required that for about 15+ years now, I'd be a hypocrite to really gripe more about that. It's a strong nuisance with my 60GB PS3. On a 500 GB XB1, it's less so.

*Downloads: still don't care, but for the "I need everything via the webs!" crowd, well, yay for them.

*Trade ins: Okay, let's see who bites here. Will any publisher be the first to blink and say "Nope. Can't trade it in." Someone undoubtably will, and I don't think tossing it back to the publishers will mollify anyone, but we'll see.

The "give your copy to a friend" thing is new to me though. There are requirements- only to folks on your friends list and who've been there more than 30 days and you can only do it once per copy. I'm not sure if your friend can then loan it too.
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Postby Dr Kain » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:31 pm

It's over, MS has pretty much just said, "Here Sony, you have this generation. We are going to sit this one out."

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Postby Henry88 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:36 pm

now what are the odd's this thing is going to bomb
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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:58 pm

What's this I hear too about the kinect monitoring the room and if too many people are present it doesn't play and instead prompts you to upgrade your license?
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Postby Dr Kain » Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:43 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:What's this I hear too about the kinect monitoring the room and if too many people are present it doesn't play and instead prompts you to upgrade your license?


That is unconfirmed and I don't see that happening honestly.
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Postby Tom R VanSlambrouck » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:15 am

I wouldn't trust people on NeoGAF especially considering that now other major sources are reporting it.

The used game is stupid, so I'll be waiting on a Xbox One until the used thing is fixed and it will be via a patch once the thing bombs. :wink:

As for the used thing being up to the developer PS4 has a similar set up.
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Postby Dr Kain » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:10 am

The problems are far beyond the used game thing though. What about the must check in every 24 hours requirement? Games installing under your profile> Or the snotty attitude in their answers? MS made this console to **** us gamers over and I cannot wait to watch them burn for it. I hope that within 15 months of its release their gaming division goes under.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/27371/ ... e-concerns

Oh yeah, and what the hell does "participating retailers" even mean? MS has gone full "OH GODZILLA! WHAT TERRIBLE LANGUAGE!".
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Postby briizilla » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:57 am

Whether it was 6 years of retail hell at gamestop or other factors I'm not sure but I haven't played a video game since February. The more I read about this system the more I think video gaming is dead to me. I think I'll stick to my retro nes games on my laptop. At least if I want to play in my underwear I'm not being watched.
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Postby Dr Kain » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:46 pm

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