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Postby king_ghidorah » Sat May 18, 2013 11:53 am

But, I mean, there have been a handful of complaints but these are the first two comments that I've seen to be so negative as to make the discs unwatchable.
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Postby Pkmatrix » Sat May 18, 2013 1:28 pm

Zack Metoyer wrote:I feel like I can barely watch this set without getting a headache. I can deal with compressed video, but what I can't deal with is mucking with the framerate. I'm not sure what they did, but the motion of every character and everything seems shaky, blurry and ghosty. It drives me nuts. The recent bootleg release online looked better than this.

Edit: Just pausing to look at the individual frames, I can see that some are crystal clear and others are several images merged into a ghosty mess. It kind of reminds me of watching a PAL release.


Legion wrote:I got two episodes in and I gave up. It was actually painful to watch this on my 55" TV. Yet my bootleg DVDs of the '70s shows look fine. Shame.


You guys are out of your minds, the video quality is fine. Not HQ Blu-Ray, of course, but pretty decent for DVDs.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Sat May 18, 2013 2:11 pm

That's what I think too...maybe they just got bad discs? I've heard a few people have received bad discs, I don't think their experience is indicative of the release as a whole.
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Postby O.Supreme » Sat May 18, 2013 4:11 pm

I have a 40" TV (small by comparison I know), and I think they look fine. I think obviously the larger the TV, the more imperfections will be noticed, also individual settings may make some issues more noticeable. I really can't say I have a problem with the discs despite the compression.
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Postby Zack Metoyer » Sat May 18, 2013 5:49 pm

Ben's theory makes sense to me, though it could just be some awful form of shrinking the video size. I'm using a 46 inch Sony Bravia and a PS3 connected via HDMI. I've watched hundreds of DVDs and Blu-rays on this set, but have never encountered this problem before.

If you guys aren't seeing this, I want to take your word for it... But years of knowing Godzilla fans has lead me to believe they sit down in front of the TV and go into some kind of seizure and then report back on their bizarro experiences.

Edit: Here's some stills. Like I said, all frames are not this bad, but the effect is extraordinarily frequent, perhaps every second or more.

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Postby canofhumdingers » Sun May 19, 2013 12:29 am

It's an interlacing problem. The wrong even and odd fields are being displayed at the same time and they don't line up. It's probably something like the even or the odd field being off by one frame. There was a similar issue on the Classic Media Godzilla Raids Again DVD but it only lasted for a few seconds and the issued corrected discs soon after.
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Postby Tom R VanSlambrouck » Sun May 19, 2013 12:57 am

I'm two episodes in and some shots look good while others look really bad a ton of digital artifacting is what I'm expierencing.
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Postby lhb412 » Sun May 19, 2013 1:38 am

^The first bunch of episodes looks pretty fuzzy and murky (... still watchable, though), but by the end of the first disc the quality improves drastically to half-decent and remains there for the rest of the set.

Why? I assume Chaiyo bein' Chaiyo.
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Postby Tom R VanSlambrouck » Sun May 19, 2013 2:57 am

Just watched the Eleking episode and I had the screen shake problem that Mike had. I'm going to watch the rest of disc 1 tomorrow night and if the screen shake is still present I'm sending it back to Amazon.
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Postby RyanClark » Sun May 19, 2013 4:10 am

I personally have no complaints about the video, however disc 5 seems to have some odd "tinny" sounding audio tracks on a number of eps.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Sun May 19, 2013 8:39 am

Those screen shots look awful :(
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Postby canofhumdingers » Sun May 19, 2013 9:16 am

Based on those screenshots, and the fact that not everyone seems to have had this issue, I'm thinking there might've just been a bad batch of discs pressed. It's been a long time since I've read up on interlacing (it's a very outdated technology...) so I don't know for certain, but I really doubt it's a problem with your setup. I suppose it's possible your equipment is not processing the video correctly but I think it's much much more likely a problem with the actual authoring of the disc. I'd be interested to know if you exchanged it as faulty and got another set if it might not have this problem.
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Postby StevenScrivello » Sun May 19, 2013 9:23 am

Yeah, I never had any interlacing issues on my set. Overall, I thought the picture quality was actually pretty strong. Nice vibrant colours, strong contrast, and suitable black and white levels. The complaint I honestly have is that the picture is a wee bit soft and lacking sharpness, but I think that must be a compression issue in squeezing so many episodes on to six discs.

I think you guys must unfortunately have gotten poor encoded sets, as canofhumdingers suggested.
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Postby Zack Metoyer » Sun May 19, 2013 6:44 pm

I hope so. I already reached out to customer service to try for a replacement set. I just have a hard time believing all the discs were pressed this way in my set and not most others. Perhaps it was an issue they caught early on but bad batches were released anyway.
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Postby MouthForWar » Sun May 19, 2013 10:29 pm

Granted I'm still only a few episodes in (no time to watch really), I haven't had any problems with my set either.... I know I watched the Eleking episode (which someone pointed out as looking bad) and I thought it was just fine. :dunno:
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Postby Tom R VanSlambrouck » Mon May 20, 2013 1:49 am

The episode after Eleking was fine for me no screen shake well there was some but I assume that was a camera shot to stimulate ocean waves.
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Postby MouthForWar » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:19 pm

So I'm finally putting effort towards watching and catching up on all of Ultraseven. I think I'm up to episode 8 or so. I've been trying to watch at least one episode a day.

So far, its pretty hit and miss. I'm only 8 episodes in and they're already starting to all blend together. So far I like the Eleking and Pagassa episodes the best. I'm kind of hoping the series breaks out of the formula presented in these early episodes though, cuz its already getting kind of old. Someone isn't who they seem, kidnap Dan or one of his crew members, said crew member breaks free, fights alien, REPEAT. Its pretty boring compared to the "Giant Monster of the Week" formula of Ultraman.

I'm really hoping this thing picks up.
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Postby lhb412 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:37 pm

^The series does get stronger generally, but their is a distinct samey-ness to a lot of the episodes in tone. I thought Ultraman had more variety and experimentation from episode to episode.

I think a lot of the Ultraseven mystique comes from the actors. I didn't like 'em as much as the Science Patrol at first, but the more subdued performances won me over in the end.
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Postby MouthForWar » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:27 am

lhb412 wrote:^The series does get stronger generally, but their is a distinct samey-ness to a lot of the episodes in tone. I thought Ultraman had more variety and experimentation from episode to episode.


Yeah, that's something I'm already kind of starting to feel. I really appreciated Ultraman's variety and I guess I was expecting the same thing here.

lhb412 wrote:I think a lot of the Ultraseven mystique comes from the actors. I didn't like 'em as much as the Science Patrol at first, but the more subdued performances won me over in the end.


I can see that... I'll at least look forward to more of that.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:01 am

You've got to stick with it for a while. Trust me, I went through the same thing. Then finally, it just clicked and now I love Ultraseven :)

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Also, what you're experiencing now is normal of most old school tokusatsu shows. Even the best ones, you kind of have to grind through certain portions once they become formulaic and stale, but there's almost always a reason to stick it out.

Just try and make watching the show a part of your routine. Right now, I'm going through my second complete run through of Kamen Rider V3. I watch it every morning with my cup of joe. Heck, even though I like the show, once it gets into the 20s it's kind of the same thing over and over again until Riderman shows up in the 40s, but once he does, it's the stuff of legends.

You just can't wait until you FEEL like watching the show though otherwise you'll never finish it. Sometimes, you just have to power through.

Odd, how watching something you love can also seem like so much work lol.
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Postby eabaker » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:21 pm

I found early episodes of both Ultraman and Ultraseven a little boring and repetitive, and felt like both shows got better as they went on.

The greater variety of stories in Ultraman is a mixed bag for me; some episodes work brilliantly, a lot are very entertaining, but almost half of them I find to be pretty much non-starters. In general, the weirder and wackier it is, the more I'll generally enjoy it.

With Ultraseven, there aren't many episodes that are as conceptually distinctive as the very top tier of Ultraman, but there's a much higher average. By sticking with their formula, they gave themselves the opportunity to hone it, and then experiment within it, and by staying a little more grounded, they make it easier to relate to the characters - not as broad types, but as people you might actually know.

I've mentioned this before, but the finale of Ultraseven briefly caused me to tear up. Ultraman never touched me in the same way.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:53 pm

I completely agree with everything Eabaker just said
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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:11 am

Mouth, did you give up on this?
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Postby MouthForWar » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:54 am

king_ghidorah wrote:Mouth, did you give up on this?


No. Absolutely not.

I've just been busy evening it out with other stuff I'm watching (catching up on Boardwalk Empire, Beyond the Dome, going through my Superman Animated Series volumes,). I'm making progress, just really slowly. I'm through the first disc.

I AM gonna try my damndest to have it done by the time Ultra Q comes out. That gives me just less than a month.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:02 am

You're going to have to marathon it then. Keep us updated man :D
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