Ranking the Millenium Films

Discuss the millennium era of Godzilla films! From Godzilla 2000 Millennium to Godzilla Final Wars, these films comprised a wide variety of styles and topics!

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Postby ebirahsmeg1 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:35 am

Favorite to Least Favorite:

1. GFW - The millenium series in general was better than heisei series from a technical standpoint....however, this series as a whole was rather bland...at times, the films just ran together with nothing standing out. GFW was the first film that actually *truly* tried different things, and when I saw it live in a theatre, it was the most fun I ever had as a G fan. Is it flawed? Most definitely, and its criticism was well warranted, but the backlash against this film by some went *way overboard* at times, and often was quite hateful and rediculous (God, I use to hate the backhanded, condescending comments I would get when this first came out..."This film is so stupid, only idiots would like it...oh, but it's cool if you like it." :roll: Some fans would literally try to bully you if liked it, such as "It's ok if you liked it, but you have to admit it's the worst film evaaa!" :o )

I can't even imagine how a film like GvsHedorah would have been received on this board if it was released today...probably would be hearing similar types of remarks ("Thanks for ruining Godzilla Yoshimitsu Banno!")

For me personally, this film was made at the right time, as I had become quite disenchanted with the previous 2 films and was on the verge of becoming indifferent to these films (and at a time when my personal life was not the greatest)...it brought the magic back for me. It also rikindled my love of Japanese film in general, and motivated me to visit Japan. Not only did I visit Japan...but I ended up staying and have been here since :lol: So I will admit, I tend to look at this film with rose-colored glasses.

2. GMK - Loved it when it was first released (despite KINO). I still like it today, but each time I watch it, the less I enjoy it. It's probably the best made film of the millenium series from a technical standpoint. However, I think it totally missed the point about Godzilla with the whole "he's a dark, evil embodiment of the Japanese war dead" angle, especially after living in Japan for several years and gaining a new perspective towards some of the cultural aspects hinted at in this film.

After these 2 films, it gets a little difficult...as I said, some of them just blend together...

3. GxMegaguirus - Might be the worst film of the millenium series from a technical standpoint (the visible wires of Megaguirus are *TOTALLY INEXCUSABLE* for a film made in 2000). Nevertheless, it had spirit and charm, and Tezuka made a very fun, enjoyable film.

4. Godzilla 2000 - Not as bad as everyone says it is...and it was great to see a G film in theatres again. But honestly, not much to say and rather forgettable in general. I think GFW or GMK would have been a much better film to release in American theatres.

5. Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla - Um...well, it had Shaku Yumiko, so that's a starting point. Beyond that...um....moving on.

6. Godzilla Tokyo SOS - Absolutely *DESPISED* this film...very dull and unoriginal. It was the only G film where I was quite angry after seeing it.
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Postby ebirahsmeg1 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:58 am

TXKaiju wrote:Legion go watch G54 and G2000 see when G54 is on Odo Island he is walking at night and you see his tail. Then watch Godzilla 2000 and see his tail when he walks by that Bar. Same thing! The Godzilla 2000 suit was an updated Godzilla 54 suit.


I think the tone and the type of destruction taking place in both scenes is very similar...but as for the suits themselves, I've gotta agree with Legion. I'm just not seeing it...


Legion wrote:[quote=TXKaiju]Only 2 Godzilla suits have been baggy G54 and Godzilla 2000 suits.

Then there's the 1965 Godzilla, which looks like the monster has a potato sack for a body.


Let's also not forget G67/Musuko Goji suit in all its Bagginess glory.

Sorry, but the G2k and G54 suits look nothing alike. And we haven't talked about their vastly different color schemes...
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Postby king_ghidorah » Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:17 pm

Godzilla 2000 > the rest of the Millenium series...
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:51 pm

king_ghidorah wrote:Godzilla 2000 > the rest of the Millenium series...


Some days I'm almost tempted to do that. GMK's quality is what trumps it, but if there is the one millennium film I like to pop in for some great entertainment, it's G2k.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:03 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:
king_ghidorah wrote:Godzilla 2000 > the rest of the Millenium series...


Some days I'm almost tempted to do that. GMK's quality is what trumps it, but if there is the one millennium film I like to pop in for some great entertainment, it's G2k.


The film's middle section is a mess, and Orga is a pretty uninspired foe but as a whole...it's one of the better Godzilla films...and the American version, actually feels like a film. The human characters are likable, and dare I say it, the best we've seen since the 60's. And Godzilla himself is amazing...ferocious, and apathetic (not evil)...just the way I like him. This film also probably has the best Godzilla atomic ray/ fin charge scenes in any Godzilla movie...the way he has to whip his head to fire a blast...and the build up to firing it..perfection. The score is pretty good and the sound effects are inspired...Godzilla has a rich vocabulary of grunts, roars and pained screeches...

This film would be perfect dare I say if it were just a tad bit more fun...threw in some classic kaiju and have a few more kaiju brawls throughout the film....

Oh...and Katagiri...sp?...one of the best human villains in a kaiju movie ever...probably since Godzilla vs. The Thing..

Edit* Plus I really like the more crocodillian Godzilla look...G 62, G 99 and 2000 and even 2002-3 has grown on me lately...
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:01 pm

Yeah, I have to say that G2k has one of the absolute best human casts in the Millennium series.
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Postby Legion » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:03 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:Yeah, I have to say that G2k has one of the absolute best human casts in the Millennium series.


That really saying much?
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:09 pm

Legion wrote:
MekaGojira3k wrote:Yeah, I have to say that G2k has one of the absolute best human casts in the Millennium series.


That really saying much?


Does it matter if it's saying much? It's been said. Sheesh.
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Postby lhb412 » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:35 pm

lhb412 wrote:Best to Worst:


-GMK
-Godzilla Final Wars
-Godzilla 2000
-Godzilla Tokyo SOS
-Godzilla vs. Megaguirus
-Godzilla x Mechagodzilla


I've redone my list:

1. Godzilla 2000
2. GMK
3. Godzilla Final Wars
4. Godzilla: Tokyo SOS
5. Godzilla x Mechagodzilla
6. Godzilla vs. Megaguirus
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Postby Cookie » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:02 pm

I'm going to watch the millenium films from GFW to G2000, then post a new list.
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Postby walshiam » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:41 pm

lhb412 wrote:
lhb412 wrote:Best to Worst:


-GMK
-Godzilla Final Wars
-Godzilla 2000
-Godzilla Tokyo SOS
-Godzilla vs. Megaguirus
-Godzilla x Mechagodzilla


I've redone my list:

1. Godzilla 2000
2. GMK
3. Godzilla Final Wars
4. Godzilla: Tokyo SOS
5. Godzilla x Mechagodzilla
6. Godzilla vs. Megaguirus


Absolutely the best 'best to worst' list I've ever seen on MZ.
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Postby heroforhirerob » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:42 pm

walshiam wrote:
lhb412 wrote:
lhb412 wrote:Best to Worst:


-GMK
-Godzilla Final Wars
-Godzilla 2000
-Godzilla Tokyo SOS
-Godzilla vs. Megaguirus
-Godzilla x Mechagodzilla


I've redone my list:

1. Godzilla 2000
2. GMK
3. Godzilla Final Wars
4. Godzilla: Tokyo SOS
5. Godzilla x Mechagodzilla
6. Godzilla vs. Megaguirus


Absolutely the best 'best to worst' list I've ever seen on MZ.


Sure...if you liked Final Wars. If not....
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Postby walshiam » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:47 pm

heroforhirerob wrote:
walshiam wrote:
lhb412 wrote:
lhb412 wrote:Best to Worst:


-GMK
-Godzilla Final Wars
-Godzilla 2000
-Godzilla Tokyo SOS
-Godzilla vs. Megaguirus
-Godzilla x Mechagodzilla


I've redone my list:

1. Godzilla 2000
2. GMK
3. Godzilla Final Wars
4. Godzilla: Tokyo SOS
5. Godzilla x Mechagodzilla
6. Godzilla vs. Megaguirus


Absolutely the best 'best to worst' list I've ever seen on MZ.


Sure...if you liked Final Wars. If not....


Godzilla was true to character in that film. I was entertained........thoroughly.
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Postby Destroyer D » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:00 pm

1.Tokyo SOS
2.G against Mecha-G
3.GMK
4.G vs Megaguirus
5.G2K
6.Final Wars
....... :teach:......Liked them all though really.
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Postby Hybrid Gojira » Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:37 pm

1 -2) Tokyo SOS/GMK...it switches. GMK is a superior film for quality, but I really liked the spirit of SOS.

3) GXMG - It is alright.

4 - 5) G2K/GFW - Both of these movies are steaming piles of poo. I won't say everything is bad, but GFW is a Godzilla meets Matrix and tight leather pants - no thanks. G2K features what is one of the worst Toho kaiju ever - Orga. At least Godzilla obliterates everything at the end of G2k, but it's not enough to save the film.
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Postby lhb412 » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:10 pm

Final Wars was a mess, but at least I wasn't bored out of my skull.
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Postby jamaal7 » Mon May 02, 2011 9:36 pm

[color=darkred]My favorite film of the Millennium Series is Godzilla 2000 Millennium, the original Japanese version.

Overall, the film has the feel of an event that is actually happening. It’s serious, with characters you want to get to know and- and this is important- stay with throughout the story.

The Mire-Goji design is striking, fierce and, at times, actually intelligent looking, even inquisitive. Actually this suit goes with the rather dark tone of the film and story. There are several subplots at work here: scientist (Shinoda) at loggerheads with government bureaucracy (CCI), the development of a mother-daughter relationship (Yuki and Iyo) (relationship that comes to the rescue of the story's principle protagonist) and the defense of the earth against a mysterious alien force.

Godzilla 2000 Millennium actually moves along very well, starting with his assault on Nemuro. The idea of a Godzilla Prediction Network just makes so much sense, that it’s natural. And that it’s a family-run, cottage industry whose chief financial officer is a nine year old girl adds to the film’s charm. This giant monster movie is actually about empowerment, as Iyo is given authority well beyond her years and Yuki grows from whiny journalist to courageous reporter as she takes Iyo with her to rescue her father, abandoned and left for dead by Crisis Control Intelligence. Miyasaka returns to his scientific roots, brought back by the discovery of Organizer G-1 along with college friend Shinoda. After rediscovering the scientist in him, Miyaska is able to defy his boss, Kataghiri, by authorizing Shinoda’s entrance into the ill-fated Tokyo Tower. He then shouts at the CCI head, when the latter wants to destroy the high-rise while Shinoda is still in it. Kataghiri’s glaring response is telling: it offers the image of an arrogant, conceited bureaucracy that is convinced that it is not in need of the scientific community.

Hiroshi Abe’s Kataghiri is iconic in several ways, as are the other main characters in this semi-documentary film.

He appears to be almost motionless in some shots, as if he is attempting to demonstrate a certain imperviousness to the events that are unfolding around him, events, that ironically, are actually impervious to his governmental authority, rank and prestige. Kataghiri has obviously moved up in government circles very quickly, but at a cost. He seems to lack the ability to listen seriously to others. And why should he? Who would correct him? He’s so sure that the Full-Metal Missiles will kill Godzilla. And, he’s so wrong. Only Shinoda, the scientist beyond the allure of CCI and a gilded career in a stellar government agency, stand between him and tremendous tactical error at Tokai Mura.

Shinoda is Godzilla 2000 Millennium’s Dr. Yamane. He’s thoughtful, but courageous. He’s a gentle father to Iyo, even allowing himself to follow her lead at home and at CCI. Yet he is firm and decisive with Kataghiri at Tokai Mura and after escaping with his life after the destruction of Tokyo Tower. Shinoda’s interest is the science behind the return of Godzilla and the advent of the aliens: “A thousand year kingdom.â€
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Postby jamaal7 » Wed May 18, 2011 9:21 pm

[color=darkred]Oh my God! What a wild ride!

After watching Gojira X Mekagojira (Godzilla x Mechagodzilla) very recently, I must say that I was thoroughly entertained and moved. Masaaki Tezuka's second Godzilla film works on many different levels.

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There is a central theme at the core of the film, the value of all life, even that of a bio-robot, in this case, Kiryu. This theme is made to embrace Akane (Yumiko Shaku), the heroic but almost tragic central figure. That this theme is most eloquently driven home by the daughter of the scientist most responsible for Kiryu's creation is significant. Sara (Kana Onodera) and Kiryu both, together, represent Japan's hope for the future. She relates to the bio-robot in a way that nobody else does or can, for that matter. Sara is both an advocate for Kiryu and a redeemer for Akane, affirming that latter's innate worth as a human being: that she has a place in the world, that her life is important. This is an interesting and thought provoking juxtaposition. With all of the death (mostly implied) and destruction (not so implied) on display in GXMG, that there should be this moving affirmation of life and the worth and beauty of living creatures, is really quite remarkable. The survival of a nation and it's people, Japan, which has been compelled to develop and deploy an anti-megalasaurous component of its military to mitigate the attacks of giant monsters, is at stake. This leads to Kiryu, the building of which is both expensive and politically dangerous. It's a great risk, but the country's political leadership decides to take it. And, judging by the media's reaction, it is not universally popular. The prime minister has to sell and justify the building of Kiryu not only to the country, but to the world. “Is this the rearming of Japan?â€
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Postby MouthForWar » Wed May 18, 2011 11:34 pm

[quote="jamaal7"][color=darkred]Oh my God! What a wild ride!

After watching Gojira X Mekagojira (Godzilla x Mechagodzilla) very recently, I must say that I was thoroughly entertained and moved. Masaaki Tezuka's second Godzilla film works on many different levels.

The Story
There is a central theme at the core of the film, the value of all life, even that of a bio-robot, in this case, Kiryu. This theme is made to embrace Akane (Yumiko Shaku), the heroic but almost tragic central figure. That this theme is most eloquently driven home by the daughter of the scientist most responsible for Kiryu's creation is significant. Sara (Kana Onodera) and Kiryu both, together, represent Japan's hope for the future. She relates to the bio-robot in a way that nobody else does or can, for that matter. Sara is both an advocate for Kiryu and a redeemer for Akane, affirming that latter's innate worth as a human being: that she has a place in the world, that her life is important. This is an interesting and thought provoking juxtaposition. With all of the death (mostly implied) and destruction (not so implied) on display in GXMG, that there should be this moving affirmation of life and the worth and beauty of living creatures, is really quite remarkable. The survival of a nation and it's people, Japan, which has been compelled to develop and deploy an anti-megalasaurous component of its military to mitigate the attacks of giant monsters, is at stake. This leads to Kiryu, the building of which is both expensive and politically dangerous. It's a great risk, but the country's political leadership decides to take it. And, judging by the media's reaction, it is not universally popular. The prime minister has to sell and justify the building of Kiryu not only to the country, but to the world. “Is this the rearming of Japan?â€
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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu May 19, 2011 5:46 am

I have to agree with Mouth here...

The human plot and characters do nothing for me and the fight scenes in this movie might be some of the worst in the entire series
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Postby Pkmatrix » Thu May 19, 2011 3:20 pm

I've gotta side with jamaal7 on this, guys. GMK may be more subtextually deep, but but there is some subtext in GxMG and its a FAR more entertaining movie.

This is more a preliminary ranking, as I probably should rewatch all of these first, but here's how I rank the Millennium anthology:

1. Godzilla x Mechagodzilla
2. Godzilla 2000
3. GMK
4. Godzilla Final Wars
5. Godzilla x Megaguirus
6. Godzilla: Tokyo SOS

The only one of these I really didn't like was Tokyo SOS. GxMG deserved FAR better out of a sequel than that.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu May 19, 2011 4:45 pm

GxMG is an odd film for me.

On the one hand, I look at it and say to myself, "This is what GxMegaguirus COULD have been" while on the other hand I think to myself, "Tezuka had a LOT of time to think about the mistakes of GxM and THIS is the best correction???"


it's an uneven film, and it does seem to be little more than an attempt to exploit the 1954 film, but I think that saying it NEVER utilizes the potential of the 1954 stuff isn't quite accurate.

for one thing, GxMG is the first (and perhaps ONLY) Godzilla film to offer up a REASONABLE explanation for creation of a MechaGODZILLA instead of just a big tank.
for another, there is the Kiryu rampage scene...granted, the plot is completely dropped and left to not develop any further from that point (and that includes TSOS...the lack of this plot point ever coming up again is a serious damper)

i also don't think the fight scenes are the WORST in any Godzilla film. Actually, IMHO, the hand-to-hand combat is some of the very BEST in the entire series. It's actually what makes the ridiculously pathetic projectile scenes look even worse...

like I said, it's a very uneven film, and being my personal favorite Tezuka film, its obvious flaws certainly speak quite a bit about the director's abilities...
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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu May 19, 2011 7:03 pm

I think the fight scenes are still horrid in my opinion. They lack energy, and I don't really think this incarnation of Godzilla has any sense of personality worth rooting for...and MechaG's pilots are annoying so...just blah...

SOS is the best film in this director's run though it's far from perfect.

I do agree that this film offers the only credible explanation I've heard thus far for why someone would make a MechaGodzilla...something that will be hard to recreate for any comic/movie series ( I guess you could take some Godzilla cells, and put them into some sort of crazy ass bio computer that sort of makes a Godzilla like being, that grows around a Godzilla like armarture, which is then encased in a metal outer exoskeleton)
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Fri May 27, 2011 10:10 am

Yeah, I'll take S.O.S. any day over XMG or Megaguirus. MG and Megaguirus are practically the same movie with the exception that Godzilla's execution is weaker in MG and the different kaiju. GxMG is, while kind of cool what with MechaGodzilla's new design and origin, but it never really strives to be anything more than a retool of Godzilla X Megaguirus. S.O.S. has that same plot to some degree, but it's changed a bit by adding Hiroshi Koizumi and giving it ties to the first Mothra film. It also excels by Godzilla not being a stiff piece of cardboard, the absolute best Mothra seen on screen, and MechaG is still cool.

While I can't really stand Megaguirus, I feel worse about MG. It had such an interesting concept that it really didn't allow to flourish, and S.O.S. didn't help things by bringing the Mothra mythos into play.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Fri May 27, 2011 10:58 am

the editing in SOS is so bad, it really pulls me out of the film every time


also, i find it implausible that Godzilla would walk away from a point-blank blast from that absolute zero cannon and then in SOS be taken down by a drill to the thigh...
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