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Are the G2K and GFW Godzillas the 1954 Godzilla?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:54 pm
by DannyBeane
This seems like an obvious question but is something I've never thought about and now that I'm thinking about it, it feels weird. At 32 years of age I grew up with 2 primary timelines. The Showa and Heisei timelines. In each time line it was documented that Godzilla 54 died, and every Godzilla from that point on is a second Godzilla. So when I think of all Godzillas they are separate from Godzilla 1954 to me. it's like a muscle memory only in my brain.

Then comes G2K and GFW. According to Toho, they are in the same continuity as G54. But they don't really reference it in either film except in the most vague of ways. The Godzilla in G2K looks nothing like G 54 and the Godzilla in GFW is double the size of G54. However in Godzilla X Megauirus, G 54 was retconned so that the oxygen destroyer never existed and Godzilla was never defeated. So for G2K/GFW, are they G 54 either regenerated from being disintegrated by the Oxygent Destroyer, are they retconned to have never been effected by the Oxygen Destroyer, or are they each a second Godzilla? Also GMK Godzilla is a spiritually resurrected G 54 as well as Kiryu being a robotically resurrected version of Godzilla 54.

TLDR For almost 50 years, Godzilla has been a second Godzilla outside of the G54. Then we have a 5 year period where that is no longer the case and its just weird for me to think about it.

Re: Are the G2K and GFW Godzillas the 1954 Godzilla?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:29 am
by klen7
G2K has the Regenerator G1 subplot and GFW can't be bothered with logic?

Re: Are the G2K and GFW Godzillas the 1954 Godzilla?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:53 am
by Gentleman
Are we all that certain there were only 2 Showa Godzillas? I mean, most of them have wildly different appearances. What if each suit was a different Godzilla? And, growing up, I always reflexively assumed that the 1985 G was, in fact, the 1954 G that had taken 30 years to regenerate. I guess there's no way to prove whether it is or isn't, that's just what my then-12-year-old self imagined.

Re: Are the G2K and GFW Godzillas the 1954 Godzilla?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:53 pm
by eabaker
Gentleman wrote:Are we all that certain there were only 2 Showa Godzillas? I mean, most of them have wildly different appearances. What if each suit was a different Godzilla? And, growing up, I always reflexively assumed that the 1985 G was, in fact, the 1954 G that had taken 30 years to regenerate. I guess there's no way to prove whether it is or isn't, that's just what my then-12-year-old self imagined.


Well, growing up with the American release, we had that line, "30 years ago, they never found any corpse."

Re: Are the G2K and GFW Godzillas the 1954 Godzilla?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:46 pm
by Gentleman
Like I said, it took that long. He'd been ripped up down to the molecules. It took that long for them to knit back up.

Looking at it logically, there most likely was a mated pair of Godzillas. If they'd hibernated together, they would have woken up together, though only one was seen at a time. This would explain Godzilla's continued presence in both timelines. It's not that far of a reach, in my opinion. Other Toho kaiju came in pairs - Rodan and Mothra are obvious examples. It seems easy to believe that there were in fact, two Godzillas that were resurrected in '54. One was killed, the other lived. The question coming from that is was it the male or female who was dissolved?

Re: Are the G2K and GFW Godzillas the 1954 Godzilla?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:58 pm
by lhb412
Both G2K and GFW are vague enough about their connection with the '54 film that either interpretation works perfectly well. I just assumed that, like in Megaguirus, some version of the events of '54 happened in which Godzilla wasn't killed.

Re: Are the G2K and GFW Godzillas the 1954 Godzilla?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:59 am
by Gman2887
Before Godzilla.co.jp was absorbed into the Godzilla Store it had synopses for each film. Godzilla 2000's made mention that the G2K Godzilla was the second since 1954. Beyond that it doesn't reference how he came in to being. There doesn't seem to be any real material that suggests the events in Godzilla '54 happen in the Final Wars timeline beyond the vague mention that Godzilla first appeared in 1954.

Gentleman wrote:Are we all that certain there were only 2 Showa Godzillas? I mean, most of them have wildly different appearances.


Source books call the Godzilla from 1955-1975 the same monster, classified as "Second Generation Godzilla".

Re: Are the G2K and GFW Godzillas the 1954 Godzilla?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:24 pm
by mbozzo
The G2K Godzilla could be the one from 1954, but it was never mention if it was or not, while the GFW Godzilla was the one from the second movie who stayed under ice longer that the one who appear in the Showa universe. :mrgreen:

Re: Are the G2K and GFW Godzillas the 1954 Godzilla?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:28 pm
by Gentleman
I actually rather like the idea of a dozen different Godzillas trundling around Japan, each one getting one or two fights in before swimming back to their hidden island to chill out and get some sun.

Re: Are the G2K and GFW Godzillas the 1954 Godzilla?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:44 pm
by eabaker
Gman2887 wrote:
Gentleman wrote:Are we all that certain there were only 2 Showa Godzillas? I mean, most of them have wildly different appearances.


Source books call the Godzilla from 1955-1975 the same monster, classified as "Second Generation Godzilla".


Also, basic storytelling sensibilities dictate that it is the same character, unless the narrative specifically tells us otherwise.

Re: Are the G2K and GFW Godzillas the 1954 Godzilla?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:02 am
by angilas
Gentleman wrote:I actually rather like the idea of a dozen different Godzillas trundling around Japan, each one getting one or two fights in before swimming back to their hidden island to chill out and get some sun.

:lol:
Though it kind of lessens the impact of say.. the fake Godzilla in GvMG if there were just a bunch of these guys running around. Suppose there could be 2 Minillas too but he always looks the same while his papa looks crazy different from SoG to DAM or GvGigan and again in G v Megaro (all of which Minilla appears in If I’m Not mistaken). Then there’s the issue of stock footage and G’s revenge which stretch our imagination even more in the showa era.

As for G2K and GFW interesting question. Someone already answered for G2K but i assumes the GFW one is different. They could have retconned the 54 one to be huge but if you think about it, assuming he’s not, we have a Godzilla vs Gotengo fight in the early 60s where Godzilla is presumably twice the size of the 54 one (if he wasn’t, you’d think that they’d comment about how huge he’s gotten when he is set free to blow off Gigan’s head). Sure time passed but 2x is really huge.