TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:19 pm

The suit is very well built. It's very sleek, yet Godzilla looks powerful. I don't care for the face, but the rest is pretty solid.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby daikaijusaurus » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:53 pm

Ernesth100 wrote:Oh come on abomination is a little far. Literallly the only thing wrong with this film was the fight scenes which were very short and Goji was very overpowered.


I don't think I will ever understand the hatred over this film. Every Godzilla movie has it's flaws and every person likes one more than the other for their own reasons. But I will never understand the hatred towards any of them. As a Godzilla fan, I love every Godzilla movie in spite of their flaws. I think that's what makes me a Godzilla fan I guess.

Godzilla Final Wars is one of my favorites. It's fun, funny, crazy, action packed and over the top movie full of monsters, mutants, aliens, and spaceships. It's funny because every non Godzilla fan person that I've shown this movie to loves it.

But oh well, I guess to each their own.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby XvGojira » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:36 pm

daikaijusaurus wrote:
Ernesth100 wrote:Oh come on abomination is a little far. Literallly the only thing wrong with this film was the fight scenes which were very short and Goji was very overpowered.


I don't think I will ever understand the hatred over this film. Every Godzilla movie has it's flaws and every person likes one more than the other for their own reasons. But I will never understand the hatred towards any of them. As a Godzilla fan, I love every Godzilla movie in spite of their flaws. I think that's what makes me a Godzilla fan I guess.

Godzilla Final Wars is one of my favorites. It's fun, funny, crazy, action packed and over the top movie full of monsters, mutants, aliens, and spaceships. It's funny because every non Godzilla fan person that I've shown this movie to loves it.

But oh well, I guess to each their own.


I love all of them in spite of and some times because of their flaws. Final Wars is far from one of my favorites. It's stupid with too much wanna be matrix crap but it's bug nuts crazy enough to make me almost love it.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:13 pm

I don't think loving every film is a requirement to call yourself a fan.

I mean, I'm a fan in spite of HATING a few of the films...doesn't that speak to the quality of the ones I like? That I can overlook a few films I pretty much loathe and still LOVE Godzilla?
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby daikaijusaurus » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:20 am

Of course we're all fans and we all love Godzilla, that's why we're all here :D :D

There are of course Godzilla movies that I prefer over others, but I love each and every one because:

1. Godzilla is in it.
2. It's a Japanese movie and has a Japanese flavor that no other non Japanese movie has.
3. It's tokusatsu and I love tokusatsu :D
4. Usually has giant monsters destroying cities and fighting other giant monsters, aliens or robots.

In Final Wars, I honestly don't mind the matrix, X-Men, etc, etc. rip offs at all. I actually see them more as inspiration or homages because they're done in such a fun and over the top way that's cool. And to be honest I think there are a number of Godzilla films that obviously have rip offs of American films and they don't bother me either. Godzilla Vs King Ghidorah, Godzilla & Mothra, Godzilla Vs Destroyer just to name a few. The only rip off that does bother be is the raptor stuff in GINO. LOL!

And to those who say that Godzilla doesn't show up until the movie is half over, well I think the same can be also said for Godzilla Vs King Ghidorah, Godzilla Vs Sea Monster. And even in Destroy all Monsters, Godzilla and the other monsters aren't in the movie all that much either. Most of the movie is about the humans flying around in the SY-3 trying to stop the Kilaaks. But hey, I still love it! LOL!

Anyway, sorry my rambling. I just don't think that Final Wars is as bad as most people think or say it is. I don't find anything wrong with not liking it, it's just the hatred that I don't understand.

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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby MekaGojira3k » Fri May 02, 2014 7:40 pm

So we've had a lot of school functions/area events that have disrupted class. My 7th period finished their major projects quickly (good class/small class) and they chose movies. They know I like Godzilla so asked about them. I said I'd bring one in to let them watch as a reward for doing their work and they chose Final Wars. They all seemed to really dig it. They questioned a lot of the logic (what a terrible thing to do with this film) but the major complaint came in that HUUUUGE chunk of time between the first invasion of kaiju and releasing Godzilla.

"Is Godzilla in the rest of this movie?" asked one of the kids.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby jellydonut25 » Fri May 02, 2014 7:51 pm

Meanwhile, on FB, someone asked people to list their top 5 Godzilla films. I'm the only person who doesn't have GFW in their top 5 out of like 15 responses.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby davezilla » Fri May 02, 2014 8:19 pm

GFW will never be in my top 5! Despite all the kaiju in it....it's probably in my bottom 5. LOL
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby Legion » Sat May 03, 2014 9:23 am

jellydonut25 wrote:Meanwhile, on FB, someone asked people to list their top 5 Godzilla films. I'm the only person who doesn't have GFW in their top 5 out of like 15 responses.


While at the same time I'm actually seeing GOOD Showa films start to turn up on "worst" lists...
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby jellydonut25 » Sat May 03, 2014 1:45 pm

Legion wrote:
jellydonut25 wrote:Meanwhile, on FB, someone asked people to list their top 5 Godzilla films. I'm the only person who doesn't have GFW in their top 5 out of like 15 responses.


While at the same time I'm actually seeing GOOD Showa films start to turn up on "worst" lists...

I expect that trend to continue as the 2014 film brings in newer (and especially younger) viewers. I mean, when I was a kid, I hated Monster Zero. Now, it's in my top 4.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby CWSmith » Sat May 03, 2014 7:03 pm

Yeah I've noticed this one seems to be really popular amongst the younger fans. I just can't escape the feeling of parody when I watch the film. It feels like someone making fun of the idea of this genre instead of paying tribute. Maybe that's part of its appeal to younger and more casual fans as they don't have the same attachment to the classic movies that we do.

I feel like a cranky old grandpa waving my cane at the kids on my lawn when I talk about this movie lol.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby MekaGojira3k » Sat May 03, 2014 7:38 pm

I have tons of attachment to the Showa stuff but still dig the parody notion. So I dunno what I am.

A weirdo, probably.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby Gojilove » Mon May 05, 2014 12:36 pm

This is to be expected, when I was a kid I loved the Heisei Films because they were "more coolerer" and "yay lasers" than the showa series. But as I've matured, the Showa's charm and craftsmanship have outlasted any of those feelings.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon May 05, 2014 1:57 pm

GoJiRa07 wrote:This is to be expected, when I was a kid I loved the Heisei Films because they were "more coolerer" and "yay lasers" than the showa series. But as I've matured, the Showa's charm and craftsmanship have outlasted any of those feelings.


Kids or no, non-hardcore Godzilla fans always respond positively to this movie (IN MY EXPERIENCES). I don't understand it. My Dad was 41 when we saw this at the Pickwick and he thought it was more bearable than any of the other ones. *shrug*
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby Gojilove » Mon May 05, 2014 3:59 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:
GoJiRa07 wrote:This is to be expected, when I was a kid I loved the Heisei Films because they were "more coolerer" and "yay lasers" than the showa series. But as I've matured, the Showa's charm and craftsmanship have outlasted any of those feelings.


Kids or no, non-hardcore Godzilla fans always respond positively to this movie (IN MY EXPERIENCES). I don't understand it. My Dad was 41 when we saw this at the Pickwick and he thought it was more bearable than any of the other ones. *shrug*


The Pickwick showing I was absolutely enamored by it. It wasn't until my second, 3rd, and 4th showing that it started to wear on me. I don't hate it, its just such a meh movie in every aspect. Has some moments that are enjoyable, make you wish for more.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby DannyBeane » Mon May 05, 2014 8:19 pm

This is mostly unrelated but guess who makes a guest appearance in the new Priceline commercial? http://www.hulu.com/watch/ad/377028
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby Gman2887 » Wed May 07, 2014 3:53 pm

^Awesome.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby daikaijusaurus » Thu May 08, 2014 1:06 pm

DannyBeane wrote:This is mostly unrelated but guess who makes a guest appearance in the new Priceline commercial? http://www.hulu.com/watch/ad/377028


Don Frye was one of my favorite things in Final Wars, "So keep your mouth shut!" :lol: :lol:

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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby davezilla » Sun May 11, 2014 3:32 pm

Watching this again today trying to like it and the end result is always the same...I hate GFW!!! I loathe Kitamura and I am disgusted that Toho thought this was a good 50th anniversary movie.

I hate the over the top Matrix fight scenes, it's overlong and underdeveloped. The script is terrible. The acting is horrific. How anyone thinks Don Frye is awesome is beyond me. Every time he delivers a line I swear he's reading a cue card. Sure give it a big budget and instead of just making a solid movie with more money the director try too much and everything looks shoddy. Instead of respecting the Godzilla series it mocks it and that does not sit with me well at all.

Sure it's fine showing Godzilla being all badass! But really, how about showing respect to Toho's other monsters! These monsters have fans too you know. Making Gigan utterly pathetic in it's opening fight I found so insulting. Why even bother making a Hedorah suit if the screen time it gets is 60 seconds long. I can't even fathom why they bothered. I don't want monster cameos I want monster action. Godzilla's about overcoming the odds, not walking all over his opponents without a sweat!

Sorry I'm rambling but I really hate this movie. If it didn't come with Tokyo SOS I wouldn't have bought it.

Take a hint Kitamura...you want an alien invasion story that is solid and entertaining why don't you watch G vs Monster Zero or Destroy All Monsters to see how it should be done.

Yes I'd rather watch Godzilla vs Megalon or Godzilla vs Megaguirus anyday over this!
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu May 15, 2014 10:45 am

I watched this last night....and suddenly I didn't like this as much anymore. Something about it just didn't work on this viewing. I don't know, I think the human stuff which normally amuses me just didn't work. I mean a lot of the stuff with the Xillien controller works, but I just. nope.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby Legion » Sun May 18, 2014 9:19 pm

Had a buddy of mine in from Chicago this weekend to go see the new movie. Any time the two of us and my wife were home thinking of what to watch, one of us would say, "Let's watch Final Wars" and the other would immediately scream, "NOOOO!!!!!"
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Mon May 19, 2014 9:59 am

jellydonut25 wrote:Meanwhile, on FB, someone asked people to list their top 5 Godzilla films. I'm the only person who doesn't have GFW in their top 5 out of like 15 responses.


Don't know how I missed this, but my face immediately slammed into my desk in response.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby Gman2887 » Mon May 19, 2014 1:35 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:
jellydonut25 wrote:Meanwhile, on FB, someone asked people to list their top 5 Godzilla films. I'm the only person who doesn't have GFW in their top 5 out of like 15 responses.


Don't know how I missed this, but my face immediately slammed into my desk in response.


It's quite popular with the younger fans I've noticed. Many old it in high regard.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Mon May 19, 2014 3:45 pm

It still sucks.

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I don't hate it quite as much as I claim to, but it's not a top Godzilla film.
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Re: TALKBACK #28: Godzilla Final Wars

Postby Gman2887 » Mon May 19, 2014 4:07 pm

Nor for me either. But if it hooks some new fans, and apparently it has, well... okay then.
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