TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:45 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:Eh, it's hard to believe this movie is ten years old. I think the first time I watched it I was underwhelmed by it. Now, I actually like it quite a bit.

I'm still continually underwhelmed.

They never bother to develop any of the characters, and while that might be fine if the previous cast had actually returned in their roles from the previous film, it is much to the detriment of this film. This movie is all flash, and NO substance, and it's a bit of a bore to watch. As a direct-sequel I find it very disappointing. And the plot device for not bringing back the original team is WEAK. No way they'd be sent off to train in the wake of Godzilla re-appearing. Everyone would be all, "stick around, you can train when the coast is clear"
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:01 pm

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Hybrid Gojira wrote:Eh, it's hard to believe this movie is ten years old. I think the first time I watched it I was underwhelmed by it. Now, I actually like it quite a bit.

I'm still continually underwhelmed.

They never bother to develop any of the characters, and while that might be fine if the previous cast had actually returned in their roles from the previous film, it is much to the detriment of this film. This movie is all flash, and NO substance, and it's a bit of a bore to watch. As a direct-sequel I find it very disappointing. And the plot device for not bringing back the original team is WEAK. No way they'd be sent off to train in the wake of Godzilla re-appearing. Everyone would be all, "stick around, you can train when the coast is clear"


All flash and no substance is a pretty good way to describe GFW. :)

I admit, this film is no masterpiece and you're dead on about the characters. I always felt like Tezuka watched GXMegaguirus one day and thought..."you know, I use the exact SAME CHARACTER but with MG instead!!!" Then he continued with Kiryu in this movie and dropped everything else.

Still, Kiryu is pretty cool. The battles were fun. Mothra's demise was fantastic. This movie has a Showal feel to it and I liked that. I also enjoyed much about how Godzilla was portrayed.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:07 pm

Nothing about this movie feels Showa to me.

Those movies were character-driven. This movie is monster-battle-driven. The monster battles are cool, and the movie makes for a fun music video or something where everything is just edited together, but it makes for a boring film to watch.

Of all the Millenium films, G2K probably feels the most "Showa" to me. A lot of elements from its approach (just another Godzilla adventure) to the alien invasion sub-plot to the well-fleshed-out characters feel like a more old-school Godzilla film.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:35 pm

Eh, G2K has a few cool moments but falls flat on its face for me.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:36 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:Eh, G2K has a few cool moments but falls flat on its face for me.

still has way more of a Showa feel than SOS.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby Gojilove » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:37 pm

Other than the action figure looking Godzilla, this film has some of the better effects in the series. Other than that, theres not much to really talk about.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby MekaGojira3k » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:04 pm

I had to wait 6 months to watch it, but I thought it was great, my opinion has diminished quite a bit, but I still enjoy it.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby klen7 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:57 pm

armandv wrote:Ten years since its release is coming up on December 13:

http://armandsrancho.blogspot.com/2013/11/ten-years-of-godzilla-x-mothra-x.html

i just caught up to this post in my RSS feed. Will try to watch it on its anniversary.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby Zack Metoyer » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:46 am

Is this still a movie about the original Godzilla's bones becoming sentient and learning to express its admiration for the human race through written language?

Yep, still not interested.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:37 am

Zack Metoyer wrote:Is this still a movie about the original Godzilla's bones becoming sentient and learning to express its admiration for the human race through written language?

:lol:
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:27 pm

Zack Metoyer wrote:Is this still a movie about the original Godzilla's bones becoming sentient and learning to express its admiration for the human race through written language?

Yep, still not interested.


I dunno, when you put it that way it sounds like a much more fun film.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby Zack Metoyer » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:32 pm

You're right, I think it'd be better explained as a film about an old guy and a little boy who move chairs and desks around.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:42 pm

Zack Metoyer wrote:You're right, I think it'd be better explained as a film about an old guy and a little boy who move chairs and desks around.


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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby Jorzilla » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:54 pm

Does anyone else think that the end of the film, the trench Kiryu flies Godzilla to is where they first emerged?
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Postby Gohi » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:21 am

rockstarbd82 wrote:What I was really anticipating was for them to use the MechaG angle of him going crazy and eventually Godzilla/Mothra have to team up to stop him from his rampage or something (though I understand that would'nt fit the whole story)

I like Tokyo SOS a lot but... man, this would have been cool.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby Inui Takumi » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:47 pm

I watched Tokyo SOS for the first time recently and while there are a few fun moments throughout, its a rather forgettable film. As said before, the characters aren't fleshed out enough to stand out in the story. I didn't care about anything going on with Yoshita, which is sad when he's one of the main people we're following. And while the cameo of the character Akane was cool to see, I REALLY wish she was in the movie more (half of it is just me fanboying over the actress, but its also because she could have brought a bit more weight to the story). I will say that it was fun to play "Spot the hero toku actor" in this movie as we had GaoRed, the return of Kamen Rider Gills and another actor from Kamen Rider Agito that I can't seem to remember the name of ATM. Lot of recognizable actors outside of those as well, which was cool to see.

As for the action in the movie, there were some cool moments involving insanely detailed destructible miniatures, but Tokyo SOS felt like it was running through the motions for me. Even with my limited Godzilla experience, it didn't feel like anything new was going on here. It went through a few similar beats as Godzilla Against MechaGodzilla which was a bit of a disappointing. It wasn't necessarily boring, but there is a feeling that more could have been done to make it stand out.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby Dr Kain » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:22 pm

Toho’s millennium series had featured a bunch of stand-alone movies with each one following the original attack in 1954. It seems like an odd move, but one people were getting used to as it meant a new director could come in and build their own universe without any already established rules and regulations. Despite this bold new direction, “Godzilla Against MechaGodzilla” left an odd taste in audiences’ mouths as the movie felt anticlimactic when the credits rolled. As it turned out, this was only the first of a two part story to tell.

“Godzilla x Mothra x MechaGodzilla Tokyo S.O.S.” (Godzilla: Tokyo SOS for short) begins just a little over a year after the previous movie’s conclusion. Kiryu is in repair and Godzilla has disappeared from existence. In the meantime, two fairies and Mothra appear before Shinichi Chujo who helped them once before, and his family, begging for the bones of Godzilla found within Kiryu’s structure to be returned to the ocean where they belong. Unfortunately, Shinichi’s nephew, Yoshito, is one of the engineers who maintain Kiryu’s computer systems and disagrees with them, stating that Kiryu is the only hope humanity has against Godzilla. This brings about an interesting conflict into the mix as the fairies promise that Mothra will defend Japan against Godzilla, while others believe Kiryu is the best weapon they have to battle the nuclear monstrosity. Nevertheless, it takes the might of both monsters to defend Japan from Godzilla’s wrath.

Unlike the previous movie, this one centers around two main characters, which one would expect means more characters development. Unfortunately that is not the case. The development given for Shinichi is based off him being the same character from the original “Mothra.” As such, very little is focused on him. On the positive end of the stick, the movie smartly focuses pretty much its time on the maintenance crew of Kiryu rather than mixing it up with the pilots included. Yoshito has a friend who is a pilot, along with the stereotypical rival, but the main focus on solely on Yoshito. Sadly, this does not help develop his character, however, as he is a pretty bland one altogether. I am not sure what it is with his actor Noburo Kaneko, but the man seems like he is half asleep during his performance here. In fact, he seems to be like that in everything I have seen him in that came out after “GaoRanger.” Either he is stoned out of his mind at all times or he just is not that good of an actor. I get that his character is supposed to love machines, but the man is one step away from having the personality of a machine. He even makes Akane appear to have emotions.

Moving on, the plot itself is okay, but pretty generic. It has features more homages to Toho’s movies of the past, which is nice, but the movie is really just one long final battle. Godzilla climbs onto land, wreaks havoc, Mothra appears to battle him, Kiryu appears, and then the battle is over. It makes one wonder why this could not have all been just one 2 hour movie instead of two 90 minute movies. There is enough plot between the two that the entire story could have been told in 120 minutes.

As I just said though, this movie is all about the monster action, and there is a lot of it. The effects on Mothra are done quite terrifically. Her wings move in a realistic manner, flapping when they need to be, a far better feat than the Mothra they did in the Heisei series. The wingspan has also been improved upon from the last few movies Mothra had appeared in, which is another treat to see. I love the idea behind Mothra in “GMK,” but her wings were too small. My only complaint would be that I do miss the yellow colored fur she had back in the Showa era. While the Mothra in this movie could be a different one, but the way it is implied it is the same one that attacked Japan in the 60s, so they should have kept her coloring the same. The larvae Mothras are vastly superior to how they were portrayed during the Heisei era, as they actually look like they are crawling against the ground instead of just being pulled. Overall, there really are no complaints to be had on either form of Mothra.

The designs for both Kiryu and Godzilla are carried over from the last movie with subtle differences. Kiryu’s arm and Absolute Zero Cannon were previously damaged, so they have been replaced with items that have a different design. Kiryu’s new arm has differences from his other, including the ability to turn into a drill, breaking up the machine’s symmetry. While the brand new maser system that is placed inside Kiryu’s chest is a step down from the Absolute Zero Cannon as far as power is concerned, it feels more natural because it can be used more since it is not as powerful. I tend to things these two cannons should have been reversed, but then, it goes to show that the stronger weapon may not be the most efficient. Finally, the brand new weapons attachment pack on Kiryu is decent, but does not look anywhere near as good as the one from the first movie does. It does its job though, which is really all that matters.

Godzilla’s biggest difference is that he has a giant scar on his chest. This is something nice to see as it shows there was an impact from his last encounter. It is also nice to state that Godzilla no longer stands still when he is being shot at, which is one of the best improvements this movie has made. This is probably also the single reason this movie is superior to the first one. Of course, the movie also builds up the threat of Godzilla, something that was sorely missed last time. The battle with Mothra is also done nicely even if it does feel familiar. Overall, there is nothing to complain about Godzilla this time around.

In the end, this movie fixes some issues that the first one had, but at the same time, also negates some of its positives. For what it is worth though, not having Godzilla just stand like a doll and be shot at makes for a vast improvement over what was shown before, and that alone makes this one the better movie. Unfortunately, the character development is minimal, if there is any at all, as the movie expects the viewer to have already seen “Mothra” in order to connect with Shinichi and his family. Of course, the ending after the credits really hints that nothing was learned at all by the events that transpired within the movie and that humanity is doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Nevertheless, the movie does have some excellent monster action, good effects, and another great score from Oshima, so I give it a 6/10.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby Russzilla » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:57 pm

^GMMG: Tokyo SOS was better than GxMG. I also liked how they tied in the first original Mothra movie into this one. Also. Anyone care to guess what experiment they're about to conduct from these end credit images?

Here we have Godzilla's DNA...
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Anyone know the name of the kaiju DNA above Godzilla's which is dated 10/7/1987?
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My Japanese is rusty, but I would really like to know what that says in the lower right corner.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:31 pm

Russzilla wrote:Anyone care to guess what experiment they're about to conduct from these end credit images?


The concept artists from the Kiryu films drew a couple of sketches featuring a bunch of mechanized versions of Toho kaiju. Presumably, this was what the post-credits scene of Tokyo SOS was hinting at.

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Russzilla wrote:Anyone know the name of the kaiju DNA above Godzilla's which is dated 10/7/1987?
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby Russzilla » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:40 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:
Russzilla wrote:Anyone care to guess what experiment they're about to conduct from these end credit images?


The concept artists from the Kiryu films drew a couple of sketches featuring a bunch of mechanized versions of Toho kaiju. Presumably, this was what the post-credits scene of Tokyo SOS was hinting at.

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Well, that would've made for a very interesting 3rd film.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby Legion » Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:54 am

Russzilla wrote:Anyone know the name of the kaiju DNA above Godzilla's which is dated 10/7/1987?


Kameba.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby jellydonut25 » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:34 pm

Russzilla wrote:^GMMG: Tokyo SOS was better than GxMG.

disagree.
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby klen7 » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:48 pm

I was chatting with some one that was admittedly not a big Mothra fan about this movie and the conversation basically turned into what if Mothra was the dead kaiju that washed up in the beginning. I was initially ready to dismiss it, but when you think about it, that could have completely changed the tie in a more realistic manner. Rather than Mothra visiting Dr Chujo (and no one noticing) he would find himself reminiscing at the startling news of Mothra's death and then the human link becomes more relevant when the larva show up to put things right... its a bit darker in tone than the movie they made, but i really could see it working.

(Granted I am glad they worked in Kameobas into the G universe but its an interesting alternative)
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:03 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:The concept artists from the Kiryu films drew a couple of sketches featuring a bunch of mechanized versions of Toho kaiju. Presumably, this was what the post-credits scene of Tokyo SOS was hinting at.

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That is very cool - I've never seen that concept art before.

And count me in the SOS > GXMG group. I am far more entertained by SOS than the first
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Re: TALKBACK #27: Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:05 pm

I like SOS more than GxMG,
but I feel like a lot of the character and story stuff is stronger in GxMG.
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