TALKBACK #25: GMK

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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby william newell » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:09 pm

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klen7 wrote:King Seesar definitely has a mystical element in his summoning. The Shobojin seem more like SciFi to me than mystical in the Showa era


I dunno, I've always sort of associated the Shobijin with being mystical. I mean, there's a connection to atomic testing in the first film, but the fact that she's summoned by a song, just felt more like magic than science fiction.


Not to de-rail the thread here, but this is one thing that I've always been curious about with this movie (Mothra). Mention is made of atomic testing, but once the characters reach the interior of the island, it's pretty plush, not what you'd expect to find on an island exposed to nuclear testing. That, and the fact that it seems that Mothra and the Shobijin have both been around for quite awhile. So, what do ya'all think, is Mothra a radioactive mutant or ancient protector of the island?
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby Gman2887 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:59 am

william newell wrote:Not to de-rail the thread here, but this is one thing that I've always been curious about with this movie (Mothra). Mention is made of atomic testing, but once the characters reach the interior of the island, it's pretty plush, not what you'd expect to find on an island exposed to nuclear testing. That, and the fact that it seems that Mothra and the Shobijin have both been around for quite awhile. So, what do ya'all think, is Mothra a radioactive mutant or ancient protector of the island?


I brought up something similar in the Son of Godzilla thread-- It's one of those things that's very vague on purpose and I wouldn't want to have it any other way.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby metal_bryan » Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:04 pm

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metal_bryan wrote:That's really the root of the problem for me too. There's too much explanation for the mystical stuff which should remain ambiguous. Look at King Caesar. THAT is how you bring mysticism to G movies.


With a three minute song?


Call me crazy, but of all the "non-fans" I've met in my time, a large number remember GvsMechagodzilla vividly because of that sequence and King Caesar. I honestly would say I prefer it to many of the long Mothra song sequences now that I've been rewatching through the series. Is it a bit long? Yeah, I'd say so. I don't think it detracts from the movie though. I still think King Caesar's execution was handled perfectly. The only better "mystical" kaiju would be Daimajin.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby Gman2887 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:14 pm

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metal_bryan wrote:That's really the root of the problem for me too. There's too much explanation for the mystical stuff which should remain ambiguous. Look at King Caesar. THAT is how you bring mysticism to G movies.


With a three minute song?


Call me crazy, but of all the "non-fans" I've met in my time, a large number remember GvsMechagodzilla vividly because of that sequence and King Caesar. I honestly would say I prefer it to many of the long Mothra song sequences now that I've been rewatching through the series. Is it a bit long? Yeah, I'd say so. I don't think it detracts from the movie though. I still think King Caesar's execution was handled perfectly. The only better "mystical" kaiju would be Daimajin.


I don't know. I've found the Mothra tunes to work a little more organically with their respective movies. The number in Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla just feels like the movie is breaking into a musical. And I typically forget there's a second verse she goes into, which gives me a good chuckle when caught off guard.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:52 am

Gman2887 wrote: I've found the Mothra tunes to work a little more organically with their respective movies.

then you clearly haven't watched Heisei Godzilla vs. Mothra in a while.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby Gman2887 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:22 pm

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Gman2887 wrote: I've found the Mothra tunes to work a little more organically with their respective movies.

then you clearly haven't watched Heisei Godzilla vs. Mothra in a while.


Even then it figures in better than the musical number for Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla. It might simply be because it's what's expected of the Mothra legacy, but it never felt like the movie stopped just to get the song in. The audience is at least waiting for it. The awakening scene for King Seesar is pulled out of thin air and goes on much longer. It's quite jarring.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:47 pm

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Gman2887 wrote: I've found the Mothra tunes to work a little more organically with their respective movies.

then you clearly haven't watched Heisei Godzilla vs. Mothra in a while.


Even then it figures in better than the musical number for Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla. It might simply be because it's what's expected of the Mothra legacy, but it never felt like the movie stopped just to get the song in. The audience is at least waiting for it. The awakening scene for King Seesar is pulled out of thin air and goes on much longer. It's quite jarring.


Yeah, I hate Godzilla vs. Mothra, but the song is far better integrated than in Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla.
It doesn't help that the song in GvsMG is mostly a chick singing on a beach.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby metal_bryan » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:03 am

Buncha meanies. I'm gonna go sing on a beach! :cry:

The only better song is War of the Gargantuas.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby DannyBeane » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:03 am

I actually Miyarabi's Prayer. Its catchy and I listen to it all the time when I'm screwing around on the computer. Those ancient Okinawans had a taste for disco, I'll tell you that.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby MekaGojira3k » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:55 pm

I like the song, I just think its integration is less than stellar.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:45 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:I like the song, I just think its integration is less than stellar.

Hey! We're all marking out about the trailer right now! Get with the program! No discussion of other stuff until we've satisfied Godwin's law.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby klen7 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:57 pm

What are you? the SS? Ever heard of a little something called Freedom of Speech?
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:09 pm

klen7 wrote:What are you? the SS? Ever heard of a little something called Freedom of Speech?

They call me the kaijew hunter.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby klen7 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:22 pm

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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:55 pm

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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby DannyBeane » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:35 pm

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MekaGojira3k wrote:I like the song, I just think its integration is less than stellar.

Hey! We're all marking out about the trailer right now! Get with the program! No discussion of other stuff until we've satisfied Godwin's law.

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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby Dr Kain » Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:06 am

So we showed this movie to one of our friends today who has never seen a Godzilla movie in her life and she absolutely loved it. She now wants to watch more.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby Legion » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:50 am

Gman2887 wrote:The spines aren't even really my issue. I always felt the Millennium suits were a major step down from the Heisei suits which had a softness about them that really came to life. The skin actually looked like some sort of organic tissue. There was real substance to it. Even the Showa suits do a pretty good job of this. But there's something very hardened and "plastic" about the skin of the Millennium costumes. It's a trait the GMK suit doesn't share.


But between the pot belly, the wobbly head and those gigantic feet that made Godzilla look awkward any time he tries to walk, the GMK suit had it's own set of problems.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby MekaGojira3k » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:15 am

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Gman2887 wrote:The spines aren't even really my issue. I always felt the Millennium suits were a major step down from the Heisei suits which had a softness about them that really came to life. The skin actually looked like some sort of organic tissue. There was real substance to it. Even the Showa suits do a pretty good job of this. But there's something very hardened and "plastic" about the skin of the Millennium costumes. It's a trait the GMK suit doesn't share.


But between the pot belly, the wobbly head and those gigantic feet that made Godzilla look awkward any time he tries to walk, the GMK suit had it's own set of problems.


The pot belly doesn't bother me, I like the wobbly head (feels like a living thing that is capable of moving with out it being specified radio controlled movements), and I'll give you the feet but those seemed most bothersome in the final fight when you could see him walking along pavement.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby Dr Kain » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:45 am

Legion wrote:
Gman2887 wrote:The spines aren't even really my issue. I always felt the Millennium suits were a major step down from the Heisei suits which had a softness about them that really came to life. The skin actually looked like some sort of organic tissue. There was real substance to it. Even the Showa suits do a pretty good job of this. But there's something very hardened and "plastic" about the skin of the Millennium costumes. It's a trait the GMK suit doesn't share.


But between the pot belly, the wobbly head and those gigantic feet that made Godzilla look awkward any time he tries to walk, the GMK suit had it's own set of problems.


So because his head moves organically it is wobbly? And what does it matter if he has a pot belly or not, he is a giant freaking dinosaur that shoots an atomic breath?
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby klen7 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:06 pm

put me in the pro-pot belly camp. One of my favorite aspects of the suit. (glad its not on every suit, but i think it works perfectly as a one-off, kind of like king-goji's head)
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby eabaker » Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:34 pm

Dr Kain wrote:So we showed this movie to one of our friends today who has never seen a Godzilla movie in her life and she absolutely loved it. She now wants to watch more.


Yeah, in my experience this is a great one for winning over non-fans. It's a good balance of serious elements and fun monster fighting, with some pretty good looking effects shots (as well as some clunkers, of course, but overall it gets a high grade), and a lot of people seem surprised and impressed by the emphasis on the father-daughter relationship. I showed it to a Japanese cinema class I was TAing in college (very shortly after the movie came out, using a bootleg with much better subs than the Sony version), and one of the students said she was surprised because she "never even considered that Godzilla movies could put so much focus on human stories."
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:07 am

I'm actually quite pro-potbelly myself...It's a unique look. It's more the EXECUTION of these things that I find lackluster. Oh and plastic Mothra.
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Re: TALKBACK #25: GMK

Postby Gman2887 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:16 am

klen7 wrote:put me in the pro-pot belly camp. One of my favorite aspects of the suit. (glad its not on every suit, but i think it works perfectly as a one-off, kind of like king-goji's head)


Agreed. Love the huge feet as well. I never heard the "wobbly-head" complaint either. It might be, but if it's there I never found it distracting. I'll be watching it again in the near future. We'll see.
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