TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby MekaGojira3k » Fri May 09, 2014 8:08 am

I think the dub has some goofy moments but most of the US cut tightens G2k up and makes it overall a much better film than the Japanese cut. The dub, unless I'm mistaken, highlights the relationship between Shinoda, Miyasaka, and Katagiri in a slightly more satisfying way than the Japanese cut.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby GFan » Fri May 09, 2014 2:37 pm

I'd love to hear the international dub for G2k, what little we got to hear in the trailer was AMAZING-bad (was there ever a later trailer using the Sony dub?) But I haven't listened to any Goji dub post-MOTHRA '92, so I'm sure it's just as bad as the other newer dubs.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby king_ghidorah » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:44 pm

Just have to add:

-I agree that the final fight in this movie is the of the best in the series. The fight is back and forth, and Godzilla is losing for much of it. Easily the best fight scene in either the Millenium or Hesei eras for my money.

-I also agree that this film is the highlight of the Millenium era for me.

-And finally...the American version IS better.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby Legion » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:16 pm

king_ghidorah wrote:Just have to add:

-I agree that the final fight in this movie is the of the best in the series. The fight is back and forth, and Godzilla is losing for much of it. Easily the best fight scene in either the Millenium or Hesei eras for my money.


Really? I've always felt that it was unbelievably slow and boring.

-I also agree that this film is the highlight of the Millenium era for me.


Eh. Give me SOS, GxMG and GMK any day. The love G2K gets baffles me. It's a movie that just feels like it's there. I'd rather watch GFW drunk and laugh at how retarded it is than ever watch G2K again.

-And finally...the American version IS better.


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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby Alpha OTS » Sat Aug 16, 2014 3:20 pm

I get the love. It was the answer to GINO and at the time, it delivered, for me at least. Its a good memory that hits me whenever I watch G2K. I also really like watching it with the dvd commentary.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby walshiam » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:17 pm

I said it once and I'll say it again..........it's one of the best scripted battles of the entire series. The realistic approach made it feel like two animals were going at it like two animals should without the slapstick. Ya know, I used to think baseball was boring to until I realized the strategies involved.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby lhb412 » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:48 pm

Eh. Give me SOS, GxMG and GMK any day. The love G2K gets baffles me. It's a movie that just feels like it's there. I'd rather watch GFW drunk and laugh at how retarded it is than ever watch G2K again.


I think G2K gets the love not because it's spectacular, but because it's a solid. It's a bit like Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II in that regard. Neither rocks the boat too much, but they simply deliver the goods in regards of what you want from a Godzilla movie while most other '90s and '00s entries are more flawed in ways that keep ya from enjoying them as much.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:44 am

G2K's love, for me, stems from how much like a 50s/60s monster movie it is (not NECESSARILY 50s/60s Godzilla movie).

You've got a plucky team of likable cast members up against the larger-than-life monsters and they use crazy pseudo-science to do some stuff. It's just a fun monster romp that doesn't bog itself down with overblown origins or barely coherent social messages. It drops you into the middle of its world and says, "Here's a couple days of existence in this universe where Godzilla exists"
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby H-Man » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:35 pm

I tore into it for a Toho Kingdom review about five years ago but I've since changed my mind. It's not a classic and it's still in the lower half of the series for me, but I think the one thing it boasts is (mostly) strong performances from its main cast. That's something that really matters in a film like this where Godzilla's appearances are few and far between.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby walshiam » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:36 pm

Few and far between(?)...........you've lost me.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby H-Man » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:39 pm

After Godzilla fights the UFO, he's offscreen for around half an hour. That's a long time to go without Godzilla in a Godzilla movie.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby walshiam » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:15 am

That's usually because there's more to the story, something that most of the audience doesn't have patience for (especially the fans!)
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby H-Man » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:06 am

walshiam wrote:That's usually because there's more to the story, something that most of the audience doesn't have patience for (especially the fans!)


Right, I agree with you. That's why I said:

I think the one thing it boasts is (mostly) strong performances from its main cast. That's something that really matters in a film like this where Godzilla's appearances are few and far between.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:45 am

I've never liked this movie. The characters cannot save it for me. The battle between Orga and Godzilla is mostly a bore and by the time Godzilla decides to lay waste to the city, the end credits are about to roll. The effects range from awesome miniatures to horrible CGI and very poor matte shots. Godzilla's beach landing is atrocious, and I always thought that from the first time I saw it.

And this Godzilla largely ignores getting ravaged by the military - we see him getting blasted to pieces but he never bothers to retaliate. Bleh.

I haven't watched this in ages...need to give it a chance again I suppose, but it's not high on my list.

Oh yeah, Orga (mostly) sucks. He's such a lame monster with few cool moments.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:40 am

I watched this tonight.

It's not as bad as I remembered, but it does really suffer in the special effects department. The matte shots...ugh those are generally very poor. The miniatures are really well done, save the scene when the UFO breaks free of the cables and tears apart the bridges.

I like Godzilla's beam charge up - I wish they kept the same effect and in the blue color. The UFO is laughably bad sometimes and some of the CGI helicopters were just awful. One scene looked more like it belonged more in an Asylum movie than it did a Godzilla film. I'm also just not a huge fan of this G design. Some angles make him look very menacing, but more often than not he just comes off derpy.

Overall I am very "meh, it's ok" towards this film.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:15 pm

I agree a few of the matte and composite shots are AWFUL (there's a moment where Godzilla's tail is dragging across the top of some water with no ripples or anything), but I think once the UFO breaks free from the rocks and stops looking like a flying dog turd, it's generally done well.

I think the design comes across more consistently awesome-looking than the '84 design, myself, and I always actually really liked it, especially since it's just kind of a one-off. Yeah, they used it in GxM for the most part, but I'm all for playing with the Godzilla design, which is the one thing I genuinely LOVE about the Millennium series.

I lub this movie and can't wait for the blu to be released and in my hands.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:03 pm

Meh.

I don't mind the new design as much as it usually looks derpy to me.

Didn't GXM use a different suit (though pretty similar overall)?
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby klen7 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:08 pm

The GXM suit had more neck movement but was overall the same IIRC
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby H-Man » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:29 pm

This is probably my least favorite Godzilla suit after the Musuko-Goji. The design is pretty good, but in execution it's very stiff and stuck with a lame expression on its face. The metallic green skin and bright purple spines were a mistake. I like the updated version of this design that was employed in the Kiryu films although I still don't think Wakasa got the face right.

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Godzilla is photographed pretty well in this movie but all the daytime scenes in GXM make the suit look even worse.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:50 pm

love the green skin and purple spines, personally
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:16 am

Cody Himes wrote:This is probably my least favorite Godzilla suit after the Musuko-Goji. The design is pretty good, but in execution it's very stiff and stuck with a lame expression on its face. The metallic green skin and bright purple spines were a mistake. I like the updated version of this design that was employed in the Kiryu films although I still don't think Wakasa got the face right.

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Godzilla is photographed pretty well in this movie but all the daytime scenes in GXM make the suit look even worse.


I like Kiryu Goji a lot, but Wasaka loved the angular approach to Godzilla's face with each suit having a pointed snout. In GFW it really bothers me. The Showa suits were often more rounded; Hesiei had a flatter, box-shaped snout; the millennium G suits were a little too pointed (tho I give Kiryu a pass but certain angles are meh).
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby DannyBeane » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:04 am

Over the past decade or so the G2k suit has really grown on me. I'd say its probably in my top 3 favorite suits. The only major issue I have with it is that I wish it was a little more expressive. In scenes where Godzilla is looking at people, it clearly looks like a lifeless piece of rubber. If the eyes could move, the lips would snarl and maybe the nostrils flare. I think it would have been almost flawless.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby Legion » Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:55 pm

I've never understood the incredible amount of love for this suit.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby DannyBeane » Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:04 pm

Legion wrote:I've never understood the incredible amount of love for this suit.

The various textures of the suit make it both visually interesting and separate it from the other eras.
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Re: TALKBACK #23: Godzilla 2000

Postby EricDent » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:56 am

Recently watched the Japanese version, didn't really notice many differences between that version versus the US cut.
I do like this movie, but some of the effects do look silly.
Though I LOVE how huge they make Godzilla look when he's walking behind the G-Trackers.

BTW I did see this in the theater back when it came out.
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