Final Wars - Five Years Later

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Postby Psycho Soldier » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:16 am

Personally, what I took away from the movie was to TURN! 180 DEGREES!

Anyway, I've always liked Final Wars. I don't deny that it's seriously flawed on several fronts - the plot, some of the monster costumes and some overly short fights, to name a few - but its high energy level endeared it to me from the start. I do wish it had given us more of the title character, but I think it at least tried to touch on all the aspects of his character over 50 years, which is nice - city destroyer, defender of Earth, nuclear product, and so on. I do have more fun watching GFW with others than I do alone, however. That's when it really takes off for me.
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Postby Destroysall » Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:46 am

Cookson wrote:This is what we have learned after 9 years.... we've learned that we must go right into it.

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Postby eabaker » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:37 pm

Bruticus wrote:...its high energy level endeared it to me from the start.


Exactly the opposite for me. The energy level is one of the things that makes it almost unwatchable for me.
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Postby Hybrid Gojira » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:42 pm

This movie is terrible. I'm not sure what there is to discuss.
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Postby eabaker » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:45 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:This movie is terrible. I'm not sure what there is to discuss.


Well, there's often more to be learned from a failure than a success. Why it's so terrible (in the eyes of a great many viewers) is worth discussing.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:56 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:This movie is terrible. I'm not sure what there is to discuss.
how wrong you are...for one. :wink:
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:44 pm

I could never call this terrible. It's too much fun.
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Postby MouthForWar » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:46 pm

I'm actually long overdue to revisit this movie. Its probably been about 6 years. I remember it being dumb, campy fun and being one of the more entertaining Millenium films. I wonder if I'll still feel that way or if I'll think its as tedious as a lot of people here seem to think...

I'll have to give this one another spin really soon.
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Postby Destroysall » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:35 am

I believe the only few memorable moments I had with this film was when it came out (it was a new Godzilla movie, why wouldn't I be excited?), and when I saw it with a few friends of mine who happen to like GINO. When GINO was killed in a few seconds, I jumped up and started screaming while they were complaining on how wrong the movie was. Oh man, good times. :lol:
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Postby MouthForWar » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:50 am

Destroysall wrote:I believe the only few memorable moments I had with this film was when it came out (it was a new Godzilla movie, why wouldn't I be excited?), and when I saw it with a few friends of mine who happen to like GINO. When GINO was killed in a few seconds, I jumped up and started screaming while they were complaining on how wrong the movie was. Oh man, good times. :lol:


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Postby metal_bryan » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:49 am

MouthForWar wrote:I'm actually long overdue to revisit this movie. Its probably been about 6 years. I remember it being dumb, campy fun and being one of the more entertaining Millenium films. I wonder if I'll still feel that way or if I'll think its as tedious as a lot of people here seem to think...

I'll have to give this one another spin really soon.


You're gonna have a bad time.

For real though, I can't wait to hear your updated opinion since mine became so intensely negative.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:56 am

metal_bryan wrote:
MouthForWar wrote:I'm actually long overdue to revisit this movie. Its probably been about 6 years. I remember it being dumb, campy fun and being one of the more entertaining Millenium films. I wonder if I'll still feel that way or if I'll think its as tedious as a lot of people here seem to think...

I'll have to give this one another spin really soon.


You're gonna have a bad time.

For real though, I can't wait to hear your updated opinion since mine became so intensely negative.


I can't wait to hear an updated opinion as well. I hate this film more than GINO. There I said it.
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Postby Hybrid Gojira » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:37 am

Eh, there are some parts of this movie I enjoyed, but overall it is a mess. The fact they decided to have a ton of monsters who make short-lived screen appearances is baffling. The script is not a mess, but there isn't much to it. Ghidorah sucks. There are some cool "one-liners" and characters, and I admit the scene with Ebirah is fantastic as is Gigan. But aside from that, I just didn't like this movie. It was Matrix fight scenes splashed with Godzilla and some interesting ideas...
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:51 pm

I never think of the one-liners as cool...but rather as awful...and that's what makes me laugh so hard at them.
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Postby MouthForWar » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:56 pm

king_ghidorah wrote: I hate this film more than GINO. There I said it.


What do you think GINO does as a Godzilla movie better than GFW?

I mean, I get hating GFW, but I gotta ask.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:57 pm

i dont even think GINO is better as a MOVIE (without the word Godzilla in play) than GFW.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:01 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:i dont even think GINO is better as a MOVIE (without the word Godzilla in play) than GFW.


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Postby MouthForWar » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:08 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:
jellydonut25 wrote:i dont even think GINO is better as a MOVIE (without the word Godzilla in play) than GFW.


It isn't.


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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:54 pm

MouthForWar wrote:
king_ghidorah wrote: I hate this film more than GINO. There I said it.


What do you think GINO does as a Godzilla movie better than GFW?

I mean, I get hating GFW, but I gotta ask.


It's an actual movie with a narrative of sorts, granted the characters suck, the plot line is uninspired and the titular monster is anemic and weak BUT it gererally feels like a movie to me.

GFW feels like a bunch of skits (some of them racist...looking at you NY City/ Rodan scene) that are barely connected by a thin, unintentionally laughable Matrix rip-off.

Godzilla feels like Godzilla...but once again Godzilla suffers from the problem he had in GMK where making his threats seem so weak, actually makes the fights seem kind of lame.

The score is also the worst out of any Godzilla film.

Oh, and I don't find Don Frye to be as iconic as most of you. He's horrible. I know that might be the joke of it all but it's not funny to me. He's horrible in a way that transends comedy.
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Postby MouthForWar » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:14 pm

Well GINO also has a more coherent narrative than Megalon but that doesn't make it more enjoyable or a better Godzilla movie.

To me if you say that Godzia was at least Godzilla in GFW, that already shows that you get more out of it than GINO as a Godzilla fan. Keep in mind I'm talking about what is more rewarding as a movie (and a Godzilla movie at that) not necessarily what's better made.

Also Don Frye rules. He has presence, despite the bad acting. Besides compared to a lot of other Americans in Godzilla movies, he's actually not nearly as bad ("take that you dinosaur" guy, for example).

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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:19 pm

I think it's because Godzilla is in such an awful movie that I'm more hurt by it as opposedt GINO which I don't even consider a Godzilla movie anymore.

Don Frye has a presence, sure, but the guy is sooooooo bad that it's not even funny. He's there, but like a black hole, he sucks the fun out of every scene he's in.
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Postby Destroysall » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:22 pm

MouthForWar wrote:
Destroysall wrote:I believe the only few memorable moments I had with this film was when it came out (it was a new Godzilla movie, why wouldn't I be excited?), and when I saw it with a few friends of mine who happen to like GINO. When GINO was killed in a few seconds, I jumped up and started screaming while they were complaining on how wrong the movie was. Oh man, good times. :lol:


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Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:23 pm

king_ghidorah wrote:Don Frye has a presence, sure, but the guy is sooooooo bad that it's not even funny. He's there, but like a black hole, he sucks the fun out of every scene he's in.


I think you just described the opposite of Don Frye.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:25 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:
king_ghidorah wrote:Don Frye has a presence, sure, but the guy is sooooooo bad that it's not even funny. He's there, but like a black hole, he sucks the fun out of every scene he's in.


I think you just described the opposite of Don Frye.
I just double checked the tapes. Nope. Not what I said :P

He's horrible. Just really, really bad. Just reminds me of some wanna-be Alpha Male who tries to be extra tough to over compensate for daddy issues. He's a joke.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:29 pm

king_ghidorah wrote:
MekaGojira3k wrote:
king_ghidorah wrote:Don Frye has a presence, sure, but the guy is sooooooo bad that it's not even funny. He's there, but like a black hole, he sucks the fun out of every scene he's in.


I think you just described the opposite of Don Frye.
I just double checked the tapes. Nope. Not what I said :P

He's horrible. Just really, really bad. Just reminds me of some wanna-be Alpha Male who tries to be extra tough to over compensate for daddy issues. He's a joke.


Yes, a funny joke. : D
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