Final Wars - Five Years Later

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Postby MouthForWar » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:26 pm

Although nostalgia carries a lot of weight for Megalon for me, I think I like GFW more for the sheer spectacle of it and seeing all the monsters together again. Also Kazuki Kitamura and Akira Takarada are really fun in this film... also, Don Frye.

Neither film is all that good, but they're fun.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:43 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:
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MekaGojira3k wrote:I don't know why people complain about the Matrix though. Is it the leather coats? If its bullet time, then that's stupid. Bullet time, from the moment somebody else saw it, became part of the action genre. Plot-wise there's nothing being ripped off.


Well not only the leather coats and bullet time, but Ozaki being "the one" so to speak, and the part where he stops the bullets in the air and what not... that stuff is all pretty direct riffs of the Matrix.


I forgot about stopping the bullets, but it wasn't him being "The One" it was him being a Kaiser. That's just like any other prophecy in any other genre picture. So I wouldn't count that one. The stopping the lasers, though, yeah.
the stopping bullets thing was always hilarious to me...because they aren't bullets...they're lazers.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:53 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:amazingly insane.


Best way to describe Final Wars.
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Postby Showa Mothra » Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:24 pm

"Mediocre" best describes Godzilla Final Wars. It's also the epitome of wasted potential. I liked the action scenes, I liked the Godzilla suit, and hell, I liked the entire premise of the film but execution sucked.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:00 am

I don't think its wasted potential. However, I think that sentiment is the cause of much of the fandom's dislike of the film. All those monsters and I think everybody just expected something very different and very specific from that news. Kitamura did precisely, I'm sure, what he set out to do with a Destroy All monsters esque film.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:07 pm

this movie is on Crackle, and I checked out the first few minutes the other day, just seeing how the streaming services work on my blu ray player (kinda neat...i'm tempted to get netflix or something, but i'm kinda holding off/holding out still for unknown reasons).


If anybody says the first five minutes of this movie didn't give them a nerdgasm, they're just lying.

after that, everyone's opinions can go their own way, but the intro to this movie is glorious.
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Postby Andrew Nguyen » Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:47 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:this movie is on Crackle, and I checked out the first few minutes the other day, just seeing how the streaming services work on my blu ray player (kinda neat...i'm tempted to get netflix or something, but i'm kinda holding off/holding out still for unknown reasons).


If anybody says the first five minutes of this movie didn't give them a nerdgasm, they're just lying.

after that, everyone's opinions can go their own way, but the intro to this movie is glorious.


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Postby MekaGojira3k » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:37 pm

I didn't have a nerdgasm, but I did enjoy myself. I honestly only started to have mixed feelings once Godzilla dispatched Gigan in like 5 seconds.
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Postby Alpha OTS » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:09 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:I didn't have a nerdgasm, but I did enjoy myself. I honestly only started to have mixed feelings once Godzilla dispatched Gigan in like 5 seconds.

That was a long monster battle for the movie.

I think there's a much better movie in there that could have been brought out with an easy and better edit. More monster action, *far* less human action.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:18 pm

I honestly think if there was like 10 more minutes of monster footage I'd love the movie. I really do dig the weird everything and the kitchen sink feeling the film has, but it doesn't really deliver properly on the monster action.

Well, that's not true. I think the rampage scenes and the final monster fights are fine...it's everything in between.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:01 pm

It's not just length but how it's used. For example, I think the Hedorah scene would be immensely improved but just one more minute added to its runtime, where we could see a little bit more of the battle underwater. We don't need to see much, and we can still arrive in media res but there ought to be enough to establish that there HAS been a battle, so the finish winds up being a little more satisfying and a little less out of the blue. In other cases, I feel like the film would've benefitted a LOT both from having more multiple-monster battles and letting more monsters have more plot presence without necessarily increasing their screen time all that much. What I refer to in the latter case is how the film shows monsters and then disposes of them fairly quickly more often than it allows them to rampage or fight unseen. The more stuff in the vein of the opening "kaiju apocalypse" scenes and less of Godzilla running the gauntlet and taking out foes in seconds with no ambiguity as to their fates.
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Postby Cookie » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:00 pm

I no longer have any desire to talk about GFW.... goodbye everyone.

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Postby Showa Mothra » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:02 pm

I did like the scene where Rodan attacks New York....But it should've been longer! The same goes for a lot of the other monster scenes as well.

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Postby Reaper G » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:30 am

GFW is one magic loogie!
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Postby metal_bryan » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:43 am

All of this discussion on Final Wars lately has made me curious to go back and watch it again. It's been about 5 years since I last saw it. We'll see how this goes. It can't be nearly as bad as GUNHED. :lol:
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Postby MouthForWar » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:33 am

metal_bryan wrote: It can't be nearly as bad as GUNHED. :lol:


Gunhed makes GFW look like Seven Samurai.
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Postby Cookie » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:54 pm

metal_bryan wrote:All of this discussion on Final Wars lately has made me curious to go back and watch it again. It's been about 5 years since I last saw it. We'll see how this goes. It can't be nearly as bad as GUNHED. :lol:


I think GFW works fine when you watch it and forget about all the hype it had going for it back in 2004. I think another 5 years from now and GFW might actually jump up peoples list of most enjoyable Godzilla films.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:27 pm

I liked it even with the hype. THOUGH, I did read about the fights being so short beforehand.
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Postby goji4ever » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:09 am

-opening of film is great..
-some of the monster action is pretty good too
-suit looks good in some scenes (when it looks bulkier)


I cant get that stupid sound effect of the cops hat getting blown off his head, in the Dark Knight Rises theres a scene when hes using the Bat to escape the cops that a policeman has his hat fly off his head in the same way....I swear I can hear that stupid sound from Final Wars going off in my head...
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Postby jrichreturns » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:32 pm

Personally I think that the Goji suit is one of the best. It looks so much like GRA Goji.
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Postby eabaker » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:34 pm

jrichreturns wrote:Personally I think that the Goji suit is one of the best. It looks so much like GRA Goji.


I've never noticed a particular similarity between the two. What traits do you see them sharing?
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:36 pm

I think the neck, flat-ish head, kind of thinner build reminds people of Final Wars. I can recall that comparison being made even when the film was in production.
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Postby MouthForWar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:38 pm

I can see it. Flat head, almost rat-like appearance on both. The spines are kinda similar and both are probably the leanest Godzilla has looked.
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Postby Cookie » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:53 am

This is what we have learned after 9 years.... we've learned that we must go right into it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-1OJ11ExY
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Postby MouthForWar » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:38 am

A valuable life lesson indeed!
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