Final Wars - Five Years Later

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Final Wars - Five Years Later

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:44 pm

So it's been five years, how has Final Wars aged for you???

has it gotten a little better, a little worse, stayed the same, anything you notice watching it now that you didn't notice before?

for me, there's nothing I notice now that I didn't before, the movie's about as deep as a puddle

that said, I seem to be one of the few people who still hold a good opinion of this film...so many people have said "i realize now that this movie is a waste" i'm curious as to what made people realize it was bad??

I thought it's a fun action flick and I don't mind it at all, i'd certainly put it above the dregs of the series, and I can say confidently that i'd rather watch this instead of many Heisei and Millenium films...
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still like it

Postby Xenorama » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:12 pm

i still quite enjoy it, it's the 3rd series movie i've watched the most. take out some of the fist fights, change the score, make the monster scenes a bit longer and it would be even more fun.

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Postby Jim Ballard » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:43 pm

Haven't seen it since 2005. Although to be honest I haven't really watched any of the films since then. GMK once or twice I think.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:45 pm

I never want to see this movie again...and that is the only Daikaiju movie I can think of that I willing to say that about....
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Postby Tyler E. Martin » Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:30 pm

King_Ghidorah wrote:I never want to see this movie again...and that is the only Daikaiju movie I can think of that I willing to say that about....


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Postby MouthForWar » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:11 pm

I still love this movie. Its a ridiculously stupid movie and it knows it. Its unpretentious and revels in its excess. They wanted to emulate the fast and loose days of the Jun Fukuda films and he did a pretty good job of updating that type of movie. They made a FUN, cheesy monster movie and that's exactly the film that it was meant to be. It has the attitude of the later Showa films and I loved all the little nods and in jokes to the 60s-70s movies. It was also nice to see human characters do more than stand around during a Godzilla movie. The Ebirah vs. EDF scene is like a scene out of an Ultraman episode... why did it take so long to have a scene like that in this series?

Let me take a moment to elaborate on why I enjoy Final Wars so much...

This is the kind of Godzilla movie I wanted in the new series. Since the 90s, they were always preaching and getting on this moral soap box. But none of the directors (except for Kaneko) have the same sense of subtlety that Ishiro Honda had, so they are just shoving it down your throat. The movies were getting too pretentious for their own good (especially Tezuka's dull films and Gvs Mothra 92). This movie had NO pretentions at all... its not even TRYING to make sense, and some of my favorite Godzilla movies have that spirit to them. That's what I love about a lot of those 70s movies (GvsGigan, GvsMegalon, GvsMechaGodzilla, War In Space, etc.) They didn't even try to make sense... they knew that trying to make sense out of their insanity was a waste of time... they just cared about being a good time. That's what I love about Final Wars! There seem to be 2 kinds of Godzilla fans. The ones that take the films way too seriously and put the character on a pedestal (forgetting that a lot of them really aren't the best movies around) and the ones that watch them because they are fun monster mashes. Its like Friday the 13th fans. The ones that hated the remake and movies like Freddy vs Jason and Jason X are the ones that take those movies too seriously instead of taking them as the fun exploitation movies that they are. I find Godzilla fans to be similar. The whole series has been pretty shoddy since the glory days of the Showa films, but a lot of the films since then have been just fun even if they weren't great movies. People examined every frame of Final Wars with extreme scrutiny and it was just kinda silly to me.

In my opinion the last truly great Godzilla movie was Biollante and the rest since have ranged from bad to good (not great), with some really fun movies being in there. So when GFW came out, I just wanted a good time and its what I got.

Now, that being said, I don't think it should have been marketed so heavily as the big 50th Anniversary be all end all of Godzilla movies.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:32 pm

I still despise it.

I may flesh that out later but I'm very tired at the moment.
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Re: Final Wars - Five Years Later

Postby godziwolf » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:58 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:So it's been five years, how has Final Wars aged for you???



Still like it. Always have.
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Postby sachiel » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:53 am

I would depise it even more had it not been the first and only Godzilla film I've actually seen in a japanese theater....

The only reason why i would ever want to insert it into my dvd player would be to watch the monster battles. And even that is pushing it since the battles don't have that "spectacle" aura around it.... :roll:
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Postby Moonlight SY-3 » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:12 am

Loved it when it came out...still love it today.
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Postby canofhumdingers » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:01 am

I still enjoy it. I agree with a lot of what MFW said (it feels a lot like a modern megalon, & i get a kick out of megalon). To me, this is like the Godzilla version of Transformers. A total in-your-face action blast popcorn movie. The kind of movie i watch when i'm in the mood for some mindless escapism with loud music & lots of explosions. Kinda like if you've ever been in the mood to throw in a fast paced FPS video game & just run through with the biggest machine gun blasting everything you can as fast as possible. (c'mon, who hasn't done that at least once & liked it??)

It's not great cinema. It's not my favorite. But it's fun & i still enjoy watching it once in a while. I'd take it over Spacegodzilla any day...
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Postby BruceAReville » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:56 am

It's a guilty pleasure at 1 in the morning when I can't get to sleep for me.
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Postby skiddish » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:05 pm

I get what they were trying to do. And I give them a lot of credit for trying to pull it off.
If you count the number of effects scenes in that film. It adds up to a lot.

But it just didn't quite work when projected on the screen for me.
Instead of coming out as a balls to the wall adventure. It came out more as a what the hell were these guys smoking?

There was a time when I wanted to see this kind of Godzilla film.
But now that I've seen it on screen. It doesn't really work as well as it plays out in my head.
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Postby walshiam » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:04 pm

I actually like it better with each viewing. Even the worst films have a tendancy to grow on me when I can put my opinions aside and take it for what it's worth. This one is no different. The same can be said of some of the better ones come to think about it. Bottom line is.........it was fun and that's what counts.
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Postby akuash » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:00 am

It had been almost two years since I had watched a Godzilla film but I did try to show this one to my friends 10 year old son who is big into anything involving monsters. We barely made it past the half-way point before we turned it off. lol!
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Postby metal_bryan » Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:28 pm

I'm still in the middle on this movie. I love it for how fun and nonsensical it is, but at the same time I really wish the 50th Anniversary, BE ALL END ALL, movie in the series was a bit more substantial. Oh well... Maybe the 60th Anniversary can make up for it? :( I hope?
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Postby TerranigmaFreak » Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:12 pm

Still crap.
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Postby MouthForWar » Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:31 pm

sachiel wrote:I would depise it even more had it not been the first and only Godzilla film I've actually seen in a japanese theater....

The only reason why i would ever want to insert it into my dvd player would be to watch the monster battles. And even that is pushing it since the battles don't have that "spectacle" aura around it.... :roll:


Yet you have an avatar of a suit from that film. :roll:
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Postby ryuuseipro » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:54 pm

Looking back at GFW, I like the film, but I don't love it. It's fun to watch, but I still think it needs fixing. The mixed-up music score, the editing, etc. It's like watching a workprint or something. So I would say that, despite enjoying this film, I'd say that this is the low point in the Millennium Series.

I'm okay with Keith Emerson doing the score, since I listened to ELP's Tarkus album some time before that, but they could've just used the Tarkus album for the score, quirky as it was!

I thought the Godzilla suit in this film was pretty good. It looks a lot better in front than on the side, and the head is a bit more consistent than in the last two films. The other monsters look just fine (Rodan look a lot better here than in Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla '93), but appear a bit too briefly.

I was also glad that of the monsters Godzilla fought, he spared Anguirus, Rodan, and King Caesar! Those three are among my favorite monsters.

Gigan looked awesome, but was ultimately weak on film. (He loses his head twice!) I think Monster X (who looks interesting for a Godzilla foe, though more like a He-Man villain) should've been the monster that was covered in stone instead of Gigan. Kaiser-Ghidorah looks interesting, though, and the transformation sequence was quite effective! Mothra was in the film pretty quickly (aside from the fact that the Shobijin looked goth in this film!).

Don Frye is awesome! He's no Nick Adams, but even as a non-actor, his presence has impact, and he can speak without mumbling or going nonsensical like other actors (like Bob Sapp in Devilman, where he was nearly incomprehensible).

Kazuki Kitamura's daffy Controller of Planet X is enjoyable, even if he is more in common with Invader ZIM than Yoshio Tsuchiya's memorable original.

It's also great to see Akira Takarada and Kumi Mizuno back in action one more time! Like Hiroshi Koizumi in Godzilla: Tokyo SOS, they actually get to DO STUFF, unlike most veteran actors did in the entire Heisei Era (ie. just sit around and watch a big monitor).

And the one scene considered to be the best in the entire film: Godzilla Vs. GINO!

I'd say, it's still enjoyable, even it if is a mixed bag.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:17 pm

Agree with most of your point which is why it almost baffles me even that I hate this movie so much.

As far as Gigan goes...I know it'd be goofy but does anyone else wish that he retained his original colors? I think that desgin with the classic green and cold would be THE Gigan in my book...oh well...he still looks great.

Something I did like was that in the final battle Godzilla retained some of his 70's personality, namely in the fact that he had some once again. A little more would have been great though, I always saw these monsters not as animals but more like the gods of Olympus...really messed up and unique personalities with the power to destroy cities.

Rodan was great, again, just nit picking but I wish he was brown like in the original film although I understand why they changed it to red, to many brown monsters already.

Hedorah I felt was a step down as well as Kamakuras.

I remember the lead up to this movie...I don't recall being so exicted for a film with the exceptions of possibly The Dark Knight and Spider-Man 3....to bad in two of the three above examples I walked away with nothing but contempt.
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Postby lhb412 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:11 pm

It's a really fun, stupid, purposely silly movie and I like it a lot. The previous two installments commited the far greater crime of being boring. And I loooved seeing Rodan, Angilas, King Seesar, Kumonga, and Kamakurus again - and despite the rationing out of screentime I thought they all got good bits in.


I think that GFW, GMK and G2K (huh, acronymy) are the best of the 3rd series.
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Postby Dr Kain » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:03 pm

I like it better with each viewing. It has great action, awesome music, and fantastic effects.
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Postby Thomas » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:10 am

This movie for me is still the worst Godzilla movie ever. This is the only Godzilla movie I have ever seen at a theater in Japan and it is still the worst Godzilla movie ever for me.

The only film that beats this as worst movie at a theater ever for me is The Shadow and I only payed a buck to see that.
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Postby Kaiju Nexus » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:51 am

ryuuseipro wrote:Looking back at GFW, I like the film, but I don't love it. It's fun to watch, but I still think it needs fixing. The mixed-up music score, the editing, etc. It's like watching a workprint or something. So I would say that, despite enjoying this film, I'd say that this is the low point in the Millennium Series.

I'm okay with Keith Emerson doing the score, since I listened to ELP's Tarkus album some time before that, but they could've just used the Tarkus album for the score, quirky as it was!

I thought the Godzilla suit in this film was pretty good. It looks a lot better in front than on the side, and the head is a bit more consistent than in the last two films. The other monsters look just fine (Rodan look a lot better here than in Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla '93), but appear a bit too briefly.

I was also glad that of the monsters Godzilla fought, he spared Anguirus, Rodan, and King Caesar! Those three are among my favorite monsters.

Gigan looked awesome, but was ultimately weak on film. (He loses his head twice!) I think Monster X (who looks interesting for a Godzilla foe, though more like a He-Man villain) should've been the monster that was covered in stone instead of Gigan. Kaiser-Ghidorah looks interesting, though, and the transformation sequence was quite effective! Mothra was in the film pretty quickly (aside from the fact that the Shobijin looked goth in this film!).

Don Frye is awesome! He's no Nick Adams, but even as a non-actor, his presence has impact, and he can speak without mumbling or going nonsensical like other actors (like Bob Sapp in Devilman, where he was nearly incomprehensible).

Kazuki Kitamura's daffy Controller of Planet X is enjoyable, even if he is more in common with Invader ZIM than Yoshio Tsuchiya's memorable original.

It's also great to see Akira Takarada and Kumi Mizuno back in action one more time! Like Hiroshi Koizumi in Godzilla: Tokyo SOS, they actually get to DO STUFF, unlike most veteran actors did in the entire Heisei Era (ie. just sit around and watch a big monitor).

And the one scene considered to be the best in the entire film: Godzilla Vs. GINO!

I'd say, it's still enjoyable, even it if is a mixed bag.


Pretty much my feelings.
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Postby Reaper G » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:09 pm

I recently rewatched this, and strangely enough, I enjoyed Frye and Kitamura less than I did before. I still enjoyed them, of course, but they didn't click with me as they did when I first saw the movie. Takarada-sama impressed me more than before, though.

For all their brief scenes, Rodan, Anguirus, and Kamakiras were very well done. King Seesar and Kumonga, not so much. Zilla's CGI was more obvious to me, but at least he got to smash stuff and be aggressive.

I still can't stand Keith Emerson's score.

It probably doesn't deserve to be the 50th anniversary film, but it's good, silly fun, and I can't complain about that, even with the lengthy martial arts scenes. I was at the Hollywood premiere, and I'll admit that being there was so great that it might cloud my judgement, but I sill like "Final Wars".
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