Ranking the Millenium Films

Discuss the millennium era of Godzilla films! From Godzilla 2000 Millennium to Godzilla Final Wars, these films comprised a wide variety of styles and topics!

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Postby king_ghidorah » Fri May 27, 2011 2:51 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:the editing in SOS is so bad, it really pulls me out of the film every time


also, i find it implausible that Godzilla would walk away from a point-blank blast from that absolute zero cannon and then in SOS be taken down by a drill to the thigh...


The editing is really atrocious. I wonder if there just wasn't enough film there to make a coherent movie at times, or if it is to blame on the editor.

Either way, still enjoy SOS more than xM, xMG, and Final Wars.
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Postby Rodanex » Fri May 27, 2011 7:14 pm

I always crack up at the mistranslated "Anti-Megalosaurus Division" or whatever it was. Those pesky Megalosaurs, always causing trouble.
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Postby Goji 84 » Sun May 29, 2011 12:06 pm

-Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah:Giant Monsters All-Out Attack!
-Godzilla X Mechagodzilla
-Godzilla, Mothra, Mechagodzilla: Tokyo S.O.S
-Godzilla 2000:Millennium
-Godzilla X Megaguirus




-Godzilla:Final Wars.
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Postby jamaal7 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:38 pm

This is how I rank the Millennium Era Godzilla Films:

1.A./1.B. Godzilla 2000 Millennium/Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (This rank is interchangeable; some days it's G2K, some days, it's GMK)

2.A./2.B. Godzilla X Mechagodzilla/Godzilla X Mothra x Mechagodzilla: Tokyo SOS

3.A./3.B. Godzilla X Megaguirus/Godzilla Final Wars

Now, somewhat off topic:

Overall, I prefer the the darker G Films (my favorites are: Gojira, Mothra vs. Godzilla, Godzilla '84, Godzilla vs. Biollante, Godzilla 2000 Millennium and Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack).

However, I think that Monster Zero, Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, Godzilla X Megaguirus and Godzilla Final Wars are wild and wholly fun.

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Postby jamaal7 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:43 pm

jamaal7 wrote:This is how I rank the Millennium Era Godzilla Films:

1.A./1.B. Godzilla 2000 Millennium/Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (This rank is interchangeable; some days it's G2K, some days, it's GMK)

2.A./2.B. Godzilla X Mechagodzilla/Godzilla X Mothra x Mechagodzilla: Tokyo SOS

3.A./3.B. Godzilla X Megaguirus/Godzilla Final Wars

Now, somewhat off topic:

Overall, I prefer the the darker G Films (my favorites are: Gojira, Mothra vs. Godzilla, Godzilla '84, Godzilla vs. Biollante, Godzilla 2000 Millennium and Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack).

However, I think that Monster Zero, Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, Godzilla X Megaguirus and Godzilla Final Wars are wild and wholly fun.



When I say "Godzilla '84," a.k.a. Return of Godzilla, I mean the Japanese version, not the Dr. Pepper Americanization.
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Postby jamaal7 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:36 am

jamaal7 wrote:This is how I rank the Millennium Era Godzilla Films:

1.A./1.B. Godzilla 2000 Millennium/Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (This rank is interchangeable; some days it's G2K, some days, it's GMK)

2.A./2.B. Godzilla X Mechagodzilla/Godzilla X Mothra x Mechagodzilla: Tokyo SOS

3.A./3.B. Godzilla X Megaguirus/Godzilla Final Wars

Now, somewhat off topic:

Overall, I prefer the the darker G Films (my favorites are: Gojira, Mothra vs. Godzilla, Godzilla '84, Godzilla vs. Biollante, Godzilla 2000 Millennium and Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack).

However, I think that Monster Zero, Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, Godzilla X Megaguirus and Godzilla Final Wars are wild and wholly fun.



I forgot to include Godzilla vs. Destoroyah. Very dark. It wasn't what it could have been, because of issues with execution and short scheduling. But, great to watch with some elements of horror as well as pathos. The visuals, when good, are arresting. I especially liked the second form Destoroyah.
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:43 am

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Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:12 am

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Postby Goji 84 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:42 am

I definitely wouldn't go as far as to call DESTOROYAH "very dark".
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Postby jamaal7 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:19 pm

Goji 84 wrote:I definitely wouldn't go as far as to call DESTOROYAH "very dark".


GvsD is dark because it's not only about the end of Godzilla, but, possibly, the end of the world, if he explodes or undergoes a meltdown. Destoroyah is vicious and and a lot of the fighting takes place at night. The film is also connected to Gojira '54 through references to Dr. Serizawa and the Oxygen Destroyer.
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Postby jamaal7 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:21 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:You have the power to edit your own posts after the fact.


Thanks, but I already about the edit option. I've used it in the past.
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Postby Goji 84 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:59 pm

jamaal7 wrote:
Goji 84 wrote:I definitely wouldn't go as far as to call DESTOROYAH "very dark".


GvsD is dark because it's not only about the end of Godzilla, but, possibly, the end of the world, if he explodes or undergoes a meltdown. Destoroyah is vicious and and a lot of the fighting takes place at night. The film is also connected to Gojira '54 through references to Dr. Serizawa and the Oxygen Destroyer.


Well, sure, it's the end of Godzila, but the film itself is anything but "dark". Simply being connected to GOJIRA 54' doesn't suddenly make it "dark" by default.

MEGALON's final battle also takes place at night, but you wouldn't call that film "dark", now would you? :P
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Postby jamaal7 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:44 pm

Goji 84 wrote:
jamaal7 wrote:
Goji 84 wrote:I definitely wouldn't go as far as to call DESTOROYAH "very dark".


GvsD is dark because it's not only about the end of Godzilla, but, possibly, the end of the world, if he explodes or undergoes a meltdown. Destoroyah is vicious and and a lot of the fighting takes place at night. The film is also connected to Gojira '54 through references to Dr. Serizawa and the Oxygen Destroyer.


Well, sure, it's the end of Godzila, but the film itself is anything but "dark". Simply being connected to GOJIRA 54' doesn't suddenly make it "dark" by default.

MEGALON's final battle also takes place at night, but you wouldn't call that film "dark", now would you? :P


As for Megalon, well, no. But as for Godzilla vs.Destoroyah, the darkness is not by default.

But: the whole atmosphere of GvsD is one of impending doom and imminent, massive destruction. Godzilla is heading toward a meltdown. The pilot of the Super X-3 says, just before takeoff, "We may not have a tomorrow." As for the connection with Gojira '54, it's not just conceptual. It's also visual, with the stark, black and white footage of Serizawa and Ogata preparing to descend into Tokyo Bay, armed only with the Oxygen Destroyer, which, I might add, no one knew whether or not it would actually work. The scientist in GvsD, who mirrors, to some extent the tragic Serizawa, makes a poignant reference to the heroic inventor when he says "It's at the bottom of the sea, where a brilliant scientist is quietly sleeping."
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Postby jamaal7 » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:19 pm

After just watching GMK again, I've re-ranked the Millennium G Films:

1. GODZILLA, MOTHRA, KING GHIDORAH: GIANT MONSTERS ALL-OUT ATTACK: without a doubt, one of the three best entries in the entire series. GMK has a great story: the Yamato Seishu, the Guardian Beasts of Ancient Japan, summoned forth to protect the land from an angry Godzilla, whose rampages are driven by the souls of the victims of the Pacific War. GMK has great writing, moving character portrayals and stunning special effects. Being a Shusuke Kaneko film, it also has that breaking news, this is actually happening feel. Look, for example, at the confused responses of the military brass to the appearance of Baragon. What is he? Is it Godzilla? At the film's core is the juxtaposing of a modern Japanese society that has not learned the lessons of the country's precipitation of the conflict in the Pacific along side the advent of ancient monsters to confront the monster created by nuclear testing. The social commentary is timely, accentuated by nice comedic touches wrapped in irony. There is the young woman, in traction in the hospital because of Godzilla's night time attack on the Bonin Islands, prior to which she was lamenting the killing of Godzilla in 1954. As he apparently passes by the hospital, she breathes a sigh of relief, after having been in terror just minutes before. And then....well,you know what happens.

2. GODZILLA 2000 MILLENNIUM

3.A./3.B. GODZILLA X MECHAGODZILLA/GODZILLA, MOTHRA, MECHAGODZILLA: TOKYO S.O.S.

4.A./4/B. GODZILLA X MEGAGUIRUS/GODZILLA FINAL WARS

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Postby jamaal7 » Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:25 pm

Speaking of stunning special effects in GMK: there is Godzilla hurling Baragon into the buses parked at the resort. It was a great, tremendous show of strength by Godzilla, showcasing his hostility toward anyone (or anything) that got in his way. With Baragon's landing onto the parked vehicles with the humans running in the foreground, the scale of the monsters is convincingly established. Compared to Godzilla, Baragon is not just undersized, but over matched. But, with his back landing on the buses, the immense size of Baragon is driven home. After all, he is 30 meters (about 100 feet) long. This, indirectly, presents the enormous, overpowering size of Godzilla. It only adds to his menace and the frightening nature of his ongoing threat.
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Postby Irish Gfan » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:32 pm

There are two major problems with the Millennium films as a whole.

1) The lack of continuity. That really bothered me. Coming off of the Heisei series, one of the things I admired most about those films was how they tried to string every film together with recurring characters and a running story with the events of the previous film carrying over into the next and so on. The continuity wasn't always perfect (Time Traveling in G Vs. KG creates a ton of confusion unless you go above and beyond to try and string it all together), but the effort was there to keep it is a structured story arc, and I liked that. The Showa films were more stand alone. Sure they are meant to be in the same timeline, but outside of the Mothra Vs. Godzilla, Ghidorah, Monster Zero stretch, there isn't a whole lot of connectivity from film to film (and even those three, it is loose at best). So I liked that the Heisei films took it further with the continuity.

This series was immensely frustrating in that there was no continuity. I guess it was cool that the different directors & crews got to do different approaches with no concern of having to tie it into other ones, but when you are releasing films, year after year, how can I invest in seeing every single movie if I know they aren't connected? Godzilla 2000 started off fine enough and I thought it was interesting that they treated Godzilla as already established without any kind of backstory. That's fine as most audiences would probably think of Godzilla as being already established anyway. Some fans I've talked too even like to think of the film as a direct sequel to GVs.D with the story centering on Godzilla Jr now fully grown (I don't buy that since G-Force is nowhere to be found in the movie, but to each his own). So OK, I'll go along with that, but then why constantly reboot the timeline with each additional film? If anything, that just makes everything more confusing. So wait, I watched this movie and now you're telling me that the next movie will have nothing to do with it? What if I was interested in what was going to happen next? GMK ends with a beating Godzilla heart. Is the heart going to regenerate into Godzilla, displaying a level of healing never shown from the character before? Tokyo SOS has that post credits sequence. What are they working on? Just unanswered questions I guess. Tokyo SOS is one of my favorites from this string of films because heck, IT IS ACTUALLY A SEQUEL. It followed up on the previous film and gave a satisfying conclusion to it. Why couldn't the whole series do that like the Heisei series did? Who knows?

2) And this is my big one. They brought Godzilla back too soon. They killed him in 1995, and then brought him back by 99. That as much time as there was between Godzilla 1984 and Godzilla Vs. Biollante in the same series continuity. Simply put, they didn't give us enough time to miss Godzilla.

Now I fully realize that a large reason for bringing Godzilla back was the negative reaction to the American Film and quite honestly, I don't blame them. Heck I was around at that time. I was mad too. And I am also appreciative as well. To get Godzilla 2000 in US theaters just two years after the massive disappointment of 1998 was the final piece of the healing process for me.

But by bringing the series back as quick as they did, I don't think they had too many fresh ideas or even enough time to make the stories feel new. They basically fell into the same pattern of reviving classic enemies for Godzilla, much like they did in the 90s. The difference though is that in the 90s, Mothra, Ghidorah, Rodan, & Mechagodzilla hadn't been seen since the 60s & 70s, so their returns were a welcomed breath of fresh air. Bringing all of those monsters back in movies in the next decade though? It felt too familiar and it felt like they had run out of ideas. Even following in the wake of the Gamera & Mothra trilogies made it feel like Godzilla didn't have many fresh ideas of its own. Just as examples, Mothra & Ghidorah came back just three years after starring in Mothra 3 and Megaguiras was basically just a poor man's version of The Legion from Gamera 2.

Personally, I probably would have held off on a Godzilla return until the 50th anniversary. Give him a decade off and then put a huge amount of effort into an epic return. The way they did it, it almost felt like the Heisei series only took a quick break and then they went right back to doing what they were doing.

But anyway, here is my ranking of the six films.

Worst to Best:

6) Godzilla X Mechagodizlla = Interesting set up for Mechagodzilla with the whole DNA Computer thing, but other than that, it was just same old- same old with nothing truly new coming out of it. Rehashed plot elements, boring characters, & just not that memorable of a movie. And the ending really left me hanging (thank God it got a continuation in the next film). Of all five Mechagodzilla films, this is by far the weakest.

5) Godzilla X Megaguiras = I don't hate this movie. I appreciate some of its weirdness. I mean, a black hole gun? Wow. Really thinking outside the box on that one, lol. But so many parts of the film just didn't connect or flow right. For example, what was the point of the kid? Why would the Japanese defense force send soldiers with bazookas to fight Godzilla? Megaguiras is a pretty weak opponent too in that it is too similar to Battra & Legion, and nowhere near as cool as either one. Oh well, this film lacked focus and that was its major flaw, but the monster action is fun.

4) Godzilla Final Wars = I will never accuse this film of not being ambitious. I mean hot damn, they really wanted to make this an epic finale for the series. Unfortunately, I think they tried to do too much with the alien invasion, kung fu fighting, government conspiracies, having the largest monster cast ever assembled for a Godzilla film. The film had everything but too much of it to give the film any kind of great focus. It is entertaining for sure, but there is just so much to keep track of and so much going on that the film feels bloated. A little more focus on the monsters would be nice. This film, essentially, tried to top Destroy All Monsters, and I don't think it quite matched the "OH MY GOD! Look how many monsters there are!" appeal that DAM did. The film certainly isn't boring though. I'll give it that. Don Fyre is a hoot, there are some nice fan moments, and it is such a wild movie that I have to appreciate it for its reckless abandon. But it wasn't as good as it should have been, especially for the 50th anniversary and the finale to the series.

3) Godzilla 2000 = I will always love this one for being the one and only G-Film I got to see in theaters (GINO doesn't count). That was a nice treat. And the movie is all around good. I like the characters a lot in this one. They were really distinctive compared to most Godzilla human casts. The Godzilla/Orga fight is pretty dag gum good, and it is just all around good monster movie fun. The CGI was HORRIBLE in this movie and I wish they'd done practical effects in those moments with the UFO & Godzilla underwater instead. Nitpicks aside, this is a highly entertaining entry.

2) Godzilla: Tokyo SOS = Well I praise it for being the only actual sequel in the series. I remember watching GXMG and thinking "There better be a sequel to this one! You can't end it like that!". While the film certainly doesn't cover any new ground and has the "been there, done that" feel to it, it is an entertaining entry at least. The monster action in the film is very good and it all looks great. They had some nice call backs to the original Mothra film, which was nice, and it was a nice payoff to the previous film. This film actually made me think higher of GXMG because now I can kind of look at them as two parts of the same film.

1) GMK: Giant Monsters All Out Attack = Darker, more violent, some interesting fantasy elements, and Godzilla at his absolute meanest. This film is great. I wish Kaneko had continued directing Godzilla films as I think this movie was a nice starting point for him that could have eventually led to even better movies down the road. As it stands though, this is a darn good one. Loved it.
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Postby Giganfan » Thu May 30, 2013 8:31 pm

To be honest, I don't remember if I've done this one yet, and I don't feel like combing through the pages, so...

Giant Monsters All-Out Attack - Sure it takes certain liberties with the mythologies of the monsters, but I credit Kaneko with still capturing the essence of a genre film, perhaps better than anyone save for Ishiro Honda. He is clearly a superior filmmaker, and this movie injects some much-needed life into a tired formula. I think it's one of the best, period.

Godzilla X Mechagodzilla - Once you get past the fact that Masaaki Tezuka is more of a fan than a professional director, this one is much easier to accept. It is easily the best of his three Godzilla movies. Godzilla may play second-fiddle to "Kiryu" here, but atleast it makes sense in terms of the story. I think they put alot into this incarnation of Mechagodzilla, all the way from conception to realization. I don't know, I like this movie. I give it more leeway than I normally would.

Godzilla 2000 - Plenty of good ideas here, in a film that plays up the mysterious elements of Godzilla's nature in a way that few movies have. I wouldn't call this a "dark" entry, but there is a certain under-current to it that's kind of effective. Katagiri is a great villian. As typical to his form, Takao Okawara misses the opportunity to develop some of the screenplay's more interesting aspects (Katagiri's insatiable drive to move his way up the ladder, his obsession with stopping Godzilla, his rivalry with Shinoda, etc.), but then again, his style was never suited for anything deep. He's a commercial director of commercial Godzilla movies; he is, what he is. I wouldn't call this a "great" Godzilla movie by any means, just "good".

I'll get to the other three later. Yeah, I'm real lazy right now lol!
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu May 30, 2013 8:43 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:1. GMK
2. Tokyo S.O.S.
3. Final Wars
4. Godzilla 2000
5. GXMegaguirus
6. GXMechaGodzilla


What in god's name was I thinking when I made this? o_O

1. Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
2. Godzilla 2000
3. Godzilla X Mothra X MechaGodzilla: Tokyo S.O.S.
4. Godzilla: Final Wars
5. Godzilla X MechaGodzilla
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Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:05 pm

Man....SOS just never strikes enough of a chord with me. Something in its editing his horribly off, and though it's supposed to be a direct sequel to GxMG, it really doesn't FEEL like it...
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Postby The Real McCoy » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:10 pm

I always placed those two at the top of my Millennium list. They do have issues, but I dig them for some reason.

But then again, I'm the douchebag that has Megalon in his top five. :D
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Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:24 pm

The Real McCoy wrote:I always placed those two at the top of my Millennium list. They do have issues, but I dig them for some reason.

But then again, I'm the douchebag that has Megalon in his top five. :D
I might be one of the few who REALLY likes GxMG, but I just can't squeeze much enjoyment out of SOS...

My Millenium Ranking is something like:
1.) GxMG
2.) G2000
^these two could flip-flop pretty readily.
3.) GFW
4.)GMK
(yes, really. GMK fell SUPER flat for me the last time I watched it, and combined with the flaws in the suits...it came off as pretty mediocre)
5.) T:SOS

700.) GxM.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:28 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:700.) GxM.


:lol: Right where it belongs.
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Postby Giganfan » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:26 pm

Okay, I'm going to start over with this, because I watched Tokyo SOS last night, and I've done a complete "about-face" on it. My attitude towards this movie over the years has been akin to that of a jilted Star Wars fan, which really isn't fair. I expected it to be such a great movie and all, and in that regard it fell short in my eyes. I think we can all agree that Masaaki Tezuka is not much of a director, but I still contend that his child-like enthusiasm for kaiju-eiga is the main selling point in his three Godzilla movies. I get the feeling that he's the type who has watched all of Toho's classic fantasy film multiple times, and that passion bleeds through. Tokyo SOS suffers from sloppy editing and a general lack of development of any of its characters and story elements. The one thing I absolutely despise about this movie is the "Sayonara Yoshito" part. Yeah sure, Kiryu is an artificial intelligence being that can develop a sense of emotion for humans, and blah, blah blah. Don't care. That part sucks. At the end of the day however, I watched it from start-to-finish without stopping, and had no real problem. With me, "suspension of disbelief" isn't just about old-school special effects, or the credibility of a story. It's about what faults of a movie you're willing to overlook in order to focus on the parts that appeal to you. In the case of Tokyo SOS, Mothra is absolutely incredible, the effects work is generally very good, it's good to see Hiroshi Koizumi and Michiro Ooshima's score is extremely well-done. She gets it like no other Godzilla composer since Ifukube and Sato. Also, I think Tokyo SOS is ultimately going to hold a special place in my heart, because it will undoubtedly be the last Godzilla movie to maintain the look, feel and smell of a traditional Godzilla, "tokusatsu" movie. I truly feel that for the forseeable future, whoever is making Godzilla movies will be trying to make them more socially acceptable to today's grossly over-cynical and tasteless society. Roger Ebert said it best when he implied that 'you can't make "The Adventures of Robin Hood" today without adding some Fruedian psychology or "deep" sub-text"'. I think people today are so insecure in their own skin, they cannot allow themselves to accept anything different, and simply be entertained by something to culturally different from the norm. If nothing else, I consider Masaaki Tezuka to be the best "keeper of the blue-atomic flame" of the latter generation of Godzilla filmmakers.

Anyway, now that I've gotten off my soap-box, here's my revised ranking of the "Millennium" Godzilla series...

1. Godzilla Mothra King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
2. Godzilla X Mechagodzilla
3. Godzilla X Mothra X Mechagodzilla: Tokyo SOS
4. Godzilla 2000 Millennium
5. Godzilla X Megaguirus: G-Eradication Operation
6. Godzilla Final Wars
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Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:17 am

I'd argue that the success of the Marvel films shows people haven't gotten TOO overly cynical...but I will 100% agree that Tokyo SOS will be the last Godzilla film for quite some time to have the traditional "Godzilla" look and feel...and this is coming from a guy who likes GFW.
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Postby Pkmatrix » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:01 pm

It's been a couple of years since I've seen any of these, but off-hand I think I'd rank them like this:

1./2. GMK and Godzilla x Mechagodzilla

For the longest time, I considered GxMG the best Millennium film. After rewatching GMK a couple years ago, though, I revised my opinions and now am split between these two. GMK is the superior film (writing-wise, FX-wise, acting-wise, etc.), but I just prefer GxMG's story, concept, and world so much more. Had GxMG been made by GMK's cast and crew, it would've been perfect, I think.

3. Godzilla 2000
4. Godzilla: Final Wars

(I should note, though, that I haven't seen GFW in its original unaltered form in about a decade. I fan edited a version that completely cut out Minilla a little after getting the movie, and that's the version I remember best.)

5. Godzilla x Megaguirus
6. Godzilla: Tokyo SOS

I think I might spend the next week rewatching all of these, then come back and see if I rank them differently.
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