Ranking the Millenium Films

Discuss the millennium era of Godzilla films! From Godzilla 2000 Millennium to Godzilla Final Wars, these films comprised a wide variety of styles and topics!

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Postby kiryugoji04 » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:34 pm

TerranigmaFreak wrote:
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Flame of Udin wrote:Toho actually had a slightly different concept for Orga and changed it last minute.


I love how those unused designs were eventually modified and turned into monsters for Ultraman Mebius. :lol:


Huh? Really? Any pics of these unused design and the monsters for Ultraman Mebius?


NG Orga...

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...Becomes DinoZaur!

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NG Orga...

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...Becomes Bogal!

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I'm also pretty sure that Roberugar was based on Orga concept art as well but I can never find the picture that made me think that. Still, you can see some similarities:

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(compare with these)
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Postby king_ghidorah » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:51 pm

I really really like the first concept art there...
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Postby kent » Sat May 16, 2009 1:29 pm

Favorite to least favorite:

1. Godzilla 2000- First Japanese Godzilla film I saw in theaters and it was absolutely amazing! Not to mention it was awesome seeing "The End ?" at the very end of the movie. It got my brother and I all excited about possible sequels. Even now I still enjoy the movie and feel it to be one of the top two better made films in the era and one of the most overlooked films in the franchise. I have always been a fan of Takao Okawara and felt it strange he was never brought back to do anymore Millennium films. Definitely a great film!

2. GMMG: Tokyo S.O.S- MUCH better than GMG! The characters are more enjoyable and we don't have kaiju standing around taking a beating from the others. The bringing back of Hiroshi Koizumi made the film that much better, I feel, as well. What was so great about this movie, however, was that half of the movie consists of the kaiju battling. Can't get much better than that! Tezuka's best Godzilla movie.

3. Godzilla Final Wars- I wanted to put this at number two but felt that GMMG was more entertaining due to longer kaiju scenes. Either way, this can enter the number two spot at almost any point. Yeah, the film tried to do too much and it pays homage to various other films, but it is really fun. Once Godzilla is released, it's mainly kaiju action from that point on. GFW was supposed to be nothing more than a fun movie; and I feel it succeeded.

4. GMK- Really well made film and it's a lot of fun too. It is tough for me to put the film this low on the list but I feel that, while it does a lot of things right, I still am not 100% sold on the mythological storyline of Godzilla and his co-stars. It worked for Gamera, but it doesn't seem to work as well with Godzilla. Such a storyline has grown on me over the years, but I still don't think it works as well here.

5. GMG- Fun movie but the way Godzilla was treated (standing there and accepting a beating from Mechagodzilla) was just preposterous. The characters are slightly memorable but nothing special. The final battle was much better but it became a massive hugging match. It had it's moments of fun, though. Better than Godzilla X Megaguirus that's for sure.

6. Godzilla X Megaguirus- If there was ever a Godzilla movie I came close to hating, it would be this one. I've watched this one about three times within the last year in hopes of trying to fall in love with it, and it has gradually grown on me but I still think it's the weakest out of the era. Tezuka, in my opinion, isn't that spectacular of a Godzilla director and it baffles me that had him for two movies in this era and didn't even bother to bring back Okawara who could actually make good Godzilla films. The cast of characters here are easily forgettable and the Megaguirus prop is way too stiff. Godzilla's scenes are pretty low as well and the storyline just isn't all that exciting. I was very disappointed in this movie when I first saw, and, to a certain extent, still am. Believe me when I say that I don't want this movie to be consistently avoided by me, but this movie seemed to have so much more potential and it didn't even really live up to any of that potential. Nevertheless, this is the film that I am going to continuously watch more often in hopes that I do fall in love with it.
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Sat May 16, 2009 3:39 pm

kent wrote:6. Godzilla X Megaguirus- If there was ever a Godzilla movie I came close to hating, it would be this one. I've watched this one about three times within the last year in hopes of trying to fall in love with it, and it has gradually grown on me but I still think it's the weakest out of the era. Tezuka, in my opinion, isn't that spectacular of a Godzilla director and it baffles me that had him for two movies in this era and didn't even bother to bring back Okawara who could actually make good Godzilla films. The cast of characters here are easily forgettable and the Megaguirus prop is way too stiff. Godzilla's scenes are pretty low as well and the storyline just isn't all that exciting. I was very disappointed in this movie when I first saw, and, to a certain extent, still am. Believe me when I say that I don't want this movie to be consistently avoided by me, but this movie seemed to have so much more potential and it didn't even really live up to any of that potential. Nevertheless, this is the film that I am going to continuously watch more often in hopes that I do fall in love with it.


Agreed, that movie is dogshit. I don't know how you're able to keep putting yourself through watching it, but godspeed to you.
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Postby Zack Metoyer » Sat May 16, 2009 6:06 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:Agreed, that movie is dogshit. I don't know how you're able to keep putting yourself through watching it, but godspeed to you.


The two remakes of that film that Tezuka later made were just as crappy, but at least they had some cool effects.
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Postby Destroyer D » Sat May 16, 2009 6:14 pm

I like GxM. So there. :P :wink: I do like it though.
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Postby kent » Sat May 16, 2009 11:14 pm

All right, I just finished watching GxM again and it is beginning to become a fun film. Now the problem is overcoming the old feelings I have for it.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Mon May 18, 2009 10:27 am

ive never liked GxM...

aside from the startingly well-done riding the spines scene the movie feels like a Fukuda film only it somehow manages to make even less sense...it also has one of the worst realized kaiju in Godzilla history and some of the worst kaiju battles...but then again, maybe a re-watch would help my opinions, i've only watched this movie two times...but i can't stand the main character and the ending is absolutely HORRENDOUS (even with the little coda on the end it still sucks)
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Postby TXKaiju » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:12 am

Ok here is how I rank the Millennium Godzilla movies from best to worst.

1 Godzilla Final Wars

2 GMK

3 Godzilla x MechaGodzilla

4 Godzilla x Mothra x MechaGodzila

5 Godzilla 2000

6 Godzilla x Megagirus

Now imo the 2nd and 3rd movie are about even so they could be switched and Godzilla 2000 and godzilla x Mothra x MechaGodzilla could also be switched.
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Postby heroforhirerob » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:22 pm

Hmm....well...from best to worst....

1)Tokyo SOS
2)GMK
3) Godzilla Vs. Megagiras
4)Godzilla 2000
5)Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla
6)Godzilla: Final Wars
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Postby G2KMaster » Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:40 pm

1. GMK - best in quality and first Goji film I saw in theaters
2. G2K - first film I saw period
3. GXMG - Nice concepts
4. GFW - action and I am a Kitamura fan and thought GFW was amazing
5. Tokyo SOS - So many chances to be deep
6. GXM - the dub ruined my outlook of this film...
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Postby Legion » Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:48 pm

G2KMaster wrote:1. GMK - best in quality


Of the Millennium series, definitely. GMK is no doubt the best film of the Millennium series.

2. G2K - first film I saw period


And you became a fan? :wink:

3. GXMG - Nice concepts


That pretty much all it was. A concept. So many great directions they could have went with the idea of a Mechagodzilla made out of the bones of the '54 Godzilla. too bad they blew it.

5. Tokyo SOS - So many chances to be deep


Too bad they didn't follow through with any. Seriously, what about this movie is deep apart from a few heavy handed messages about leaving the bones of the original Godzilla alone?

6. GXM - the dub ruined my outlook of this film...


I didn't even like this one back when I first saw it in Japanese and subtitled. I'm glad I saw all the Millennium and Heisei films (save G84 and G2K) for the first time in Japanese. I have no knowledge of the dubs for any of those movies. And I think I'm better off for it.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:57 pm

Anyone remember when GxM was a fan favorite? If you read G-Fan at the time you would have believed that it was the best Godzilla film ever!
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Postby Legion » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:00 pm

King_Ghidorah wrote:Anyone remember when GxM was a fan favorite? If you read G-Fan at the time you would have believed that it was the best Godzilla film ever!


I'll never understand what JD was thinking. My guess is he had to heap praise on something, considering he wasn't a fan of the film that followed it. G2K was also treated as some sort of masterpiece if I recall correctly. Yet I'm pretty sure Ed Godziszewski panned both movies when he reviewed them for the magazine.
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Postby Mac » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:03 pm

Godzilla X Megagurius (However the hell you say it) is pretty fun in my opinion. The fights are engaging, expirimental and tread new ground. The characters, while ciphers, don't get in the way of the narrative. It's a flawed but enjoyable film. I watch Tezuka's films like I would the 70's films, they don't advance the series in anyway (Artistry or Technology wise), but they're decent.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:04 pm

When I was in High School reading G Fan at the time I thought J.D was supposed to be the end all of G Fans...I was naive but I'm glad for the most part g-fans dont share his opinion on films now...although I'll give it to him, I have begun to share his distaste for GMK...but I still like Kaneko nonetheless
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Postby TXKaiju » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:37 pm

You know it really does not matter which millennium Godzilla movie you think is best and worst. The whole point of the series was to make a direct sequel to G54 and let you decide which direct sequel you liked best. There is no right or wrong answer. But its always intersting to see how fans rank the millennium series from best to worst.

1 GFW because its a modern DAM movie imo

2 GMK because its like a modern Ghidora the 3 HeadedMonster movie with the roles of Ghidora and Godzilla switched.

3 Godzilla x MechaGodzilla because it was just awesome imo

4 Godzilla x Mothra x MechaGodzilla because its a great direct sequel to GxMG reminds me of the 70s MG movies back to back but better!

5 Godzilla 2000 because the suit design reminds me of an updated G54 suit!

6 Godzilla x Megagirus good movie but i liked the other 5 more
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Postby king_ghidorah » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:14 pm

TXKaiju wrote:You know it really does not matter which millennium Godzilla movie you think is best and worst. The whole point of the series was to make a direct sequel to G54 and let you decide which direct sequel you liked best. There is no right or wrong answer. But its always intersting to see how fans rank the millennium series from best to worst.

1 GFW because its a modern DAM movie imo

2 GMK because its like a modern Ghidora the 3 HeadedMonster movie with the roles of Ghidora and Godzilla switched.

3 Godzilla x MechaGodzilla because it was just awesome imo

4 Godzilla x Mothra x MechaGodzilla because its a great direct sequel to GxMG reminds me of the 70s MG movies back to back but better!

5 Godzilla 2000 because the suit design reminds me of an updated G54 suit!

6 Godzilla x Megagirus good movie but i liked the other 5 more



The G 2000 suit reminds you of the G54 suit?!
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Postby TXKaiju » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:12 pm

Yes the Godzilla 2000 suit does indeed remind me of the Godzilla 1954 suit. No doubt about it. It is very baggy just like the 54 suit and if you look at the suit its an updated revamped G 54. Of course the backfins are larger and jagged but when you see Godzilla walk through the city at first and knock down powerlines instant flashback to G54!
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Postby Legion » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:15 pm

TXKaiju wrote:Yes the Godzilla 2000 suit does indeed remind me of the Godzilla 1954 suit. No doubt about it. It is very baggy just like the 54 suit and if you look at the suit its an updated revamped G 54. Of course the backfins are larger and jagged but when you see Godzilla walk through the city at first and knock down powerlines instant flashback to G54!


I've never heard anyone ever say that before. Personally, I've never connected those two suits. They just seem way too different to me.
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Postby TXKaiju » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:34 pm

Legion go watch G54 and G2000 see when G54 is on Odo Island he is walking at night and you see his tail. Then watch Godzilla 2000 and see his tail when he walks by that Bar. Same thing! The Godzilla 2000 suit was an updated Godzilla 54 suit. Only 2 Godzilla suits have been baggy G54 and Godzilla 2000 suits. Thats the 1st thing I noticed when I saw Godzilla 2000.
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Postby Legion » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:42 pm

TXKaiju wrote:Legion go watch G54 and G2000 see when G54 is on Odo Island he is walking at night and you see his tail. Then watch Godzilla 2000 and see his tail when he walks by that Bar. Same thing! The Godzilla 2000 suit was an updated Godzilla 54 suit.


I still don't see it. The body shape, the face, the skin detail, the back fins...everything about those two suits are different. I've seen both films (many times in the case of the first one) and I own many different toys depicting both suits. I'm not seeing it. They look nothing alike to me.

Only 2 Godzilla suits have been baggy G54 and Godzilla 2000 suits.


Then there's the 1965 Godzilla, which looks like the monster has a potato sack for a body.
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Postby Destroysall » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:20 pm

I personally enjoyed all of the millennium series, including GFW and Megaguirus. I would probably say a match between GMK and G2K. Megaguirus would follow.
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Postby the_candidate » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:00 pm

1. GMK
2. T:SOS
3. GFW
4. GXMG
5. G2K
6. GXM
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Postby Godzilla 2000 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:34 pm

1. GMK - Big surprise, right? But yeah, GMK rules, blah blah blah, great effects, blah blah blah, you know the drill.

2. Godzilla 2000 - Its a fun popcorn flick. Plus, it was my first G-flick, so it has nostalgia going for it.

3. Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla - It's a bit boring, but watchable. Kiryu is pretty sweet, too.

4. Godzilla Tokyo SOS - Also pretty watchable, with great SFX, but it manages to bore me even more than GXMG.

5. Godzilla vs Megaguirus - Boring. But the finale battle is aight. Not much to say here, except that Battra > Megaguirus.

6. GFW - Terrible, terrible movie. The monster fights are fun to watch, kinda, but overall it's just plain bad. And not campy bad either.
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