King Seesar in Final Wars

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Postby jrichreturns » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:01 am

Perhaps, since M-base is found in Xiliens, it could have ben inserted into him, since only the Xilien associated critters (mutants cause they are hybrids)had M base. So I can guess that the Xilien invasion had been planned for several years and target kaiju had been subjected to M-base.
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Postby Jim Ballard » Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:58 am

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James Ballard wrote:Slightly off topic:

Wasn't Caesar one of Fujiwara's suits, or am I just imagining things? I know he did Rodan. I thought he did Caesar too, but now I can't find any sources back that up.


Yes. From the H!O interview with Shinichi Wakasa in 2004:
Shinichi Wakasa wrote:Another member of the team was Kakusei Fujiwara. Fujiwara sculpted King Caesar and Rodan... he created those characters himself.


Thanks for posting that, Ben. I guess my memory isn't so crap after all! :lol:
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Postby heroforhirerob » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:28 pm

ebirahsmeg1 wrote:Part of the problem with KS in GFW is that he never utilized his reflective eye power, which sucked royally. Same happened to Baragon when they inexplicably took away his heat ray (though Baragon still turned out pretty damn good in GMK in spite of this). Also, I thought the eyes were terrible...they should have used his red burning eyes from the showa era.

Honestly though, arguing which KS is better (GFW or GvsMG74) is rather pointless....both were pretty bad in a variety of ways. I like KS, but he never has nor ever will be a big favorite of mine...it's not like his showa version was anything to write home about (sorry KS fans)


I've always likened King Seesar to a giant French poodle. A friend of mine likes him quite a bit..so it bugs him when I use the poodle reference, but...geez....look at him! In the 1974 film, the aliens fear him cause he can supposedly summon more monsters....yeah as BODYGUARDS...since Seesar himself is so lame and gutless! He needs them. LOL
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Postby TXKaiju » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:35 pm

If you ask me I think King Seesar was just lucky to be in Godzilla Final Wars. As far as how KingSeesar looked well I think the new look was ok and KingSeesar was just the same old KingSeesar. I expected nothing more and nothing less from the character.
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Postby walshiam » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:05 am

In a nutshell, the suit sucked. While all the other monsters went through some impressive redesigns, King Seesar (Shizar as I call him) just plain got a raw deal, especially with the eyes.
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Postby zekend01 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:28 am

Pfft... never liked this Kaiju a bit, either version. :?
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Postby TXKaiju » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:04 pm

There is one good thing I liked about King Seesar in GFW no young lady had to sing in order for him to wake up and fight.
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Postby The Dark Uniter » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:29 pm

I like the Showa suit better than the newer suit for Final Wars and I think that they should of replace him with a different monster as I didn't like him much in both Godzila vs Mechagodzilla or Final Wars.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:20 pm

I still think Caesar gets more flak than he deserves. He's hardly my favorite kaiju but I'm of the opinion that his being incredibly ineffective against Mechagodzilla had nothing to do with him being an utter weakling. No, I'd say the opposite is true - Mechagodzilla's just that damned powerful!
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Postby zekend01 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:00 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:I still think Caesar gets more flak than he deserves


I just think he's a weak, half azz concept is all. And I'm sure if I was Japanese he would be far more meaningful since he was supposed to be an actual myth with that royal family. As a gaijin I just don't care about the rather thin lore behind this character as portrayed in this flick. That and he just looks silly to me! Silly regal teddy bear-lion-dog silly!!!!

Maybe mammals in general don't translate well as Kaiju. Yeah Kong might have been swell if for only historical reasons, but like, Magma... :puke:
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby mbozzo » Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:57 pm

I seen Godzilla Versus The Cosmic Monster in which King Seesar first appear. I haven't seen Final Wars, yet, but maybe Legendary should do an American movie which reveal King Seesar as a guardian monster who protect the shire and it worshippers. :idea:
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby jellydonut25 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:40 pm

mbozzo wrote:I seen Godzilla Versus The Cosmic Monster in which King Seesar first appear. I haven't seen Final Wars, yet, but maybe Legendary should do an American movie which reveal King Seesar as a guardian monster who protect the shire and it worshippers. :idea:


Not sure if intentional, but the notion of King Seesar randomly appearing in The Hobbit would be hilarious to me.
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby DannyBeane » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:02 am

King Seesar vs Smaug? Hell yeah.
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby Psycho Soldier » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:20 pm

Works for me. Heh, it reminds me of that one image macro:

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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby SpaceMal » Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:48 pm

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I thought Final Wars was made with the presumption that all the pervious Godzilla movies had taken place in it's past? At least thats what I thought.... :?


Nope. Its the same as the rest of the Shinsei series (minus SOS), its a standalone (with a brief mention of 1954 in the opening.)


This is starting to get kind of annoying now. GFW is a sequel to GvsD, that's word of god. Kitamura and some higher-ups wanted to nix the bits of the script that explicitly established this to make it more open-ended, and as such, no direct references are made to any other film except the original... verbally. However the editing of the film still makes a direct connection between Junior and GFW Godzilla. There's enough ambiguity about the movie there for you to ignore this if you want, but to be absolutely clear about this: the ONLY intended continuity GFW has with anything is with the original film and GvsD. Nothing else. So you can think of it as still being about Junior, or, why anyone would choose to do this I'll never understand, a completely separate universe with no back story whatsoever. Maybe if you're writing a fan fic you can do something else but in the actual movie itself it's either in the Heisei timeline or it's an orphan. Enough time has passed that this shouldn't be news anymore, but yet here I am...

I don't understand the complaints about King Caesar in GFW. He's pretty awesome. As for why he turns evil, yes, it's because of the M-base. It isn't really safe to assume he has the same, or even a similar origin to the showa KC, but there's no word about it one way or the other, so it certainly seems like you're supposed to infer as much. Maybe one of the continuity bits they axed explained it, but probably not. Kilaaks mind-controlled Mothra before, and the Xiliens altered the monsters they controlled genetically, so regardless of where heisei KC comes from I don't really see what the issue is here.
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby kiryugoji04 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:57 am

It's totally not a sequel to Destroyer.
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby DannyBeane » Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:35 am

GFW is a sequel to G vs Destroyah?
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby XvGojira » Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:20 am

Godzilla Final Wars Wika wrote:In the opening credits, The image of Godzilla trapped in the ice was shown simultaneously with Godzilla Junior, from Godzilla vs. Destoroyah, when he came back to life as an adult. This lead to a speculation that the Godzilla in this movie was actually a full-grown Godzilla Junior, despite the latter existing in the Heisei series and not the Millennium series. This is possibly true as Godzilla was not as aggressive in this film as he is in most other films and director Ryuhei Kitamura has stated he intended for Godzilla Junior to be in the movie. Destoroyah's slated appearance also contributed to this idea, since the final fight would be rather personal for Junior, seeking revenge on Destoroyah for "killing" him and his father. But after a script change, it became something for the audience to decide, however the two time-lines can not fit together as the Heisei Godzilla appeared in the 1980s while this Godzilla was frozen in the 1960's.


That's as close as it gets. So it wasn't "word of god", just and idea that never happened. Not to mention there is no source to this on the wika either so it could just be someone talking out of their ass.
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby Legion » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:27 am

GFW is NOT a sequel to Destroyah. Deal with it, kid.
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby Pkmatrix » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:50 am

My understanding was that the film was originally written as and intended to be a sequel to Destroyah, but executive meddling and Directorial fiat dumped that idea in favor of a standalone film.
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:41 am

SpaceMal wrote:This is starting to get kind of annoying now. GFW is a sequel to GvsD, that's word of god. Kitamura and some higher-ups wanted to nix the bits of the script that explicitly established this to make it more open-ended, and as such, no direct references are made to any other film except the original... verbally. However the editing of the film still makes a direct connection between Junior and GFW Godzilla. There's enough ambiguity about the movie there for you to ignore this if you want, but to be absolutely clear about this: the ONLY intended continuity GFW has with anything is with the original film and GvsD. Nothing else. So you can think of it as still being about Junior, or, why anyone would choose to do this I'll never understand, a completely separate universe with no back story whatsoever. Maybe if you're writing a fan fic you can do something else but in the actual movie itself it's either in the Heisei timeline or it's an orphan. Enough time has passed that this shouldn't be news anymore, but yet here I am...


You couldn't be more wrong. Final Wars has no narrative connection to Godzilla vs. Destroyer or any other Heisei film. The opening narration of the movie explicitly states that the Final Wars Godzilla is the same creature that first attacked in 1954. He's not the adult Godzilla Junior from the Heisei Series.
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby jellydonut25 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:05 pm

^Kitamura's ORIGINAL idea was "the continuing adventures of Junior" but that got nipped in the bud fairly early on.
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:34 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:^Kitamura's ORIGINAL idea was "the continuing adventures of Junior" but that got nipped in the bud fairly early on.


Source? This thread is the first I've ever heard about it. I followed GFW's production from late 2003 up to the film's release and nothing I ever read from Ryuhei Kitamura indicated that he would have any interest in tying his movie into the Heisei Series continuity. In 2004, he said that he used to go see Godzilla movies when he was younger and he praised the '70s entries in particular, but he hadn't seen a Godzilla film in a theater in about ten years and when he caught one of the then-recent movies at home, he found it to be lacking directorial style. I also read at one point that Kitamura's original idea for Final Wars was to feature Godzilla as the only monster, but there was no mention of making him the adult Junior from Godzilla vs. Destroyer.

This really sounds like one of those rumors that the fandom cooks up and spreads around.
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby jellydonut25 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:33 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:
jellydonut25 wrote:^Kitamura's ORIGINAL idea was "the continuing adventures of Junior" but that got nipped in the bud fairly early on.


Source? This thread is the first I've ever heard about it.

Source? From my fingertips to your eyeballs. BOOM! SOURCED!

I dunno, I've heard it many places, and I just sorta believe it. I mean, it seems like as much of that made it in as the original idea of "Mecha-everything" that there's concept art for...
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Re: King Seesar in Final Wars

Postby tbeasley » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:20 pm

Those Heisei continuation rumors probably stems from the 100 meter scale chosen for the monsters... which actually comes from the special effects crew being so rushed and low on money (despite working on the highest budgeted Toho Godzilla film) that it was easier to construct less detailed miniatures.
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