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Monster X origin..or what exactly is it?

Postby jrichreturns » Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:09 am

Okay what is Monster x exactly? I mean we know Ghidorahans from the Mothra trilogy start off as well Ghidorahs not zombie thinga majigs. So is perhaps Monster X an Xilian with Ghidorah DNA? Post your thoughts or theories here. I know Monster X is not a true Ghidorahn most likely because of the wing size and it took a while for it to mutate.
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Postby Tiny Gigan » Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:58 pm

I figured that blue guy who works for Rita Repulsa made it...
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Postby pocketmego » Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:29 am

Tiny Gigan wrote:I figured that blue guy who works for Rita Repulsa made it...


LMAO!!!

"Finister! Make me a monster to finally DESTROY that traitor the Green Ranger and his Dracon Zord!"

"Finster, you fool THAT isn't the Dragon Zord!"

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Postby jrichreturns » Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:28 am

I'm being serious...
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Postby ryuuseipro » Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:53 pm

jrichreturns wrote:I'm being serious...


And besides, anyone who references the American Power Rangers should be horsewhipped. SUPER SENTAI (and all other Japanese superheroes) FOREVER!!! :P

But seriously, perhaps King Ghidorah didn't exist in the Final Wars universe (despite the classic stock footage at the beginning), so Monster X/Kaiser Ghidorah is a variation unto itself; A humanoid monster that can turn into a stronger three-headed dragon. Just take it for what it is . . .
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Postby Tiny Gigan » Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:06 pm

Guess I probably do deserve a few lashes for bringing up Power Rangers...

In all seriousness, I don't think there's really any official background story to speak of for any of the monsters in Final Wars that wasn't just explicitly stated in the movie. Could be wrong though.
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Postby ryuuseipro » Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:49 pm

Tiny Gigan wrote:In all seriousness, I don't think there's really any official background story to speak of for any of the monsters in Final Wars that wasn't just explicitly stated in the movie. Could be wrong though.


I wouldn't be surprised if the accompanying materials/merchandise ever had an explanation for Kaiser Ghidorah.
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Postby jrichreturns » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:34 am

I think perhaps there is...but eh...I think perhaps it's an imperfect clone of KG.
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Postby pocketmego » Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:23 am

jrichreturns wrote:I'm being serious...


And that scares me.

Because the answer to your question lies in the utter stupidity of this movie.

It's a bit like asking why King Caeser is a is free from his schrine and a bad guy. It only make sense in the realm of GFW logic.

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Postby pocketmego » Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:24 am

ryuuseipro wrote:
jrichreturns wrote:I'm being serious...




But seriously, perhaps King Ghidorah didn't exist in the Final Wars universe (despite the classic stock footage at the beginning), so Monster X/Kaiser Ghidorah is a variation unto itself; A humanoid monster that can turn into a stronger three-headed dragon. Just take it for what it is . . .


Bad writing?

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Postby Gman2887 » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:09 pm

I always assumed Monster X was the "controlled" form of Kaiser Ghidorah since he transformed into it after the Xillian ship was destroyed.
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Postby RyanClark » Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:18 am

Don't forget the one kid had various Ghidorah figures. Since GFW seems to be in it's own continuity, I'm guessing:

King Ghidorah did exist at one point and a figure was later made after him.

Or: The Ghidorah figures were an original creation and Kaiser Ghidorah is just a really huge coincedence.

Not to get off track, but I always figured we're supposed to believe many of the past Godzilla movies existed in the GFW universe, except only as films. Thus the various figures of monsters whose movies would be really hard or impossible to fit into the GFW continuity.
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Postby pocketmego » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:28 am

Mistystuffer wrote:
Not to get off track, but I always figured we're supposed to believe many of the past Godzilla movies existed in the GFW universe, except only as films. Thus the various figures of monsters whose movies would be really hard or impossible to fit into the GFW continuity.


In 1954 Tonaka, Honda, and Tsubaraya created the seminal Kaiju Classic King Ghidorah.

It was an instant success, because it was MUCH more than just a simple B-Movie about a monster from space. It was, in fact, a thinly veiled allegory for the danger of man's continued use of space monsters in times of war.

A sequel was commisioned and though it did well, it would NEVER match the success of the original. Although, it did feature the very first battle between two Kaiju as the monster Baragon was introduced.

It wasn't until 1962 that Ghidorah would make his triumphant return to Japanese theater screens with the full color Kaiju epic (and genre parody film) Rhedsaurus vs King Ghidorah. Although, the movie was the highest grossing Ghidorah film of all time, it was plagued by bad blood resulting from Rhedsaurus's creator Ray Harryhausen. Harryhausen's agent had booked the deal to use Rhedsaurus with Toho, without telling Ray what he was planning. To date Ray harryhausen has not seen this film.

In 1966 the famouse Japanese toy company Marusan had noted the success of the American company Aurora and their King Ghidorah model kits. Seeing the vast potential they created the infamouse Ghidorah Plamodel toy. A model kit that could be snapped together and then made to actually fly by use of a unique set of anti-gravity engines fitted into the toy and a remote control. The cost of the toy was considered FAR to expensive for the average Japanese child and the toy was ultimately a failure. However to re-coup their investments Marusan used the mold to create the very first Vinyl Kaiju toy, the 9 inch King Ghidorah.

Molded in both pink and mauve colored vinyl and sprayed over in metailic green the sculpting and likeness of this toy was hardly accurate to the character. However, no one can deny its success and King Ghidorah became one of the most popular and well known Japanese toys of all time.

The plamodel debacle, among other things, caused Marusan to go out of business in 1970. Fortunately, the company Bullmark purchased all of Marusan's molds and continued to produce not only vinyl Kaiju toys from the Ghidorah series of films, but also from the IMMENSLY popular television series created by the effects Wizard, and co-creator of Ghidorah, Tsubaraya. The series was, of course, Mirrorman.

On the screen the Ghidorah films continued with their own ups and downs until finally comming to an end in 1974 with the film Terror of Mecha-Ghidorah.

However, the death of the film series did not harm the popularity of the character. Most US fans in particular remember when the toy company Mego imported a line of popular Jumbo Machinder Robot toys from Japan and called them the Samurai Squadron.

The line was successful and featured such popular robot characters as Mach Baron, Garada K7, and Leopaldan.

Mego felt, and correctly so, that Ghidorah would make a fine addition to the line and the Ghidorah Jumbo though smaller than the other jumbo robots was a HUGE success. However, many fans are very unhappy with the badly designed toy. Many claim that a bad likeness and a silly gimmick (the Jumbo Ghidorah could shoot off its right wing for no aparent reason) ruined what would have been the ultimate holy grail of Ghidorah toy collectibles.

The Japanese company Nakajima thought so as well, as they took the Mego toy and re-furbished it into an incredibly perfect rendition of the character that actually fired bolts of electricity from its mouth. However they left the silly Mego wing firing gimick and many people are very confused by their choice to do so.

In 1984 Toho released King Ghidorah Returns! A year later it would come to the United States under the title Ghidorah 1985. Interestingly enough Garry Cooper would reprise his role from the original film of reporter Chevy Chase. However, he was not intigrated nearly as well into the new film as he had been in the original.

More importantly, it was shortly after this film and its sequels started the Heisei era of Ghidorah films that the Japanese company Marmit would release the first in its series of very affordable, ultra-realisticly sculpted Ghidorah and Mirrorman figures. Although, the Mirrorman fgures wouldn't really prove to be a success until the series was re-lauched with Mirrorman: Tiga in 1995.

The Marmit brand of Ghidorah and assorted Kaiju toys was a HUGE success and continues to this day. It has also spawned many other companies to release these famouse film monsters as toys. Most notably it is the company Bandai, with its very expensive retro-sculpts that is one of Marmit's biggest competitors.

Thus, it was during the great battle with the monster Godzilla that Monster X was about to take on a new horrible form. He chose one dull witted person from the Japanese populace and told the human to choose the final form of Earth's destruction. The man tried to think of something beloved from his childhood. Something that could never ever destroy him, and his mind wheeled back to his days at summer camp playing with his beloved Bullmark Ghidorah toy.

That, my friends, is the origin of Kaiser Ghidorah!

Thank you.

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Postby metal_bryan » Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:33 pm

:lmfao: That's your best post yet, Ray.
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Postby pocketmego » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:32 pm

metal_bryan wrote::lmfao: That's your best post yet, Ray.


Thanks Brian, it means a lot to me. Considering how much I put into that, just to do a Ghostbusters joke.

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Postby Rodanex » Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:24 am

lol Wow.
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Postby Mexigojira » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:21 pm

Monster X: coolest new monster ever.
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Postby pocketmego » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:58 am

Mexigojira wrote:Monster X: coolest new monster ever.


Now we just need Monster X vs El Santo!

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Postby lhb412 » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:36 pm

I've always just thought that Monster X was Ghidorah's larva form in the Final Wars universe. He even transformed into a meteor like Showa Ghid.
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Postby fools-gold64 » Wed May 27, 2009 3:16 am

pocketmego wrote:Alternate universe of Ghidorah movie series.


This was amazing. The Ghostbusters reference at the end was icing on a delicious satire cake.

Also, I think Monster X just being a larval form of GFW Ghidorah makes a lot of sense to me. It's interesting to note that the Toho monster stamp for Keizer Ghidorah labels the creature as Monster X II*...

Keizer Ghidorah could have potentially been my favorite incarnation of Ghidorah, if only he had bigger wings and two legs instead of four... love his heads, and I love that his gravity bolts actually seem to have an affect on, you know, gravity.

*At least on the American DVD.
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Postby Flame of Udin » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:16 pm

fools-gold64 wrote:
pocketmego wrote:Alternate universe of Ghidorah movie series.


This was amazing. The Ghostbusters reference at the end was icing on a delicious satire cake.

Also, I think Monster X just being a larval form of GFW Ghidorah makes a lot of sense to me. It's interesting to note that the Toho monster stamp for Keizer Ghidorah labels the creature as Monster X II*...

Keizer Ghidorah could have potentially been my favorite incarnation of Ghidorah, if only he had bigger wings and two legs instead of four... love his heads, and I love that his gravity bolts actually seem to have an affect on, you know, gravity.

*At least on the American DVD.



Monster X was just an excuse for Kitamura to fit an even more humanoid monster into the movie so he could make it look like the conclusion to all of his other films....Tak Sakaguchi fighting someone. I'm suprised Godzilla and Monster X didn't have swords as well.

As for origin....were talking about GFW. There is absoutly ZERO logic to this movie. Origins, explanations (hey, lets have Minya abruptly pop up right in the middle of an action sequence), common sense, or straight fingers are nowhere to be found in this extended music video.
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Postby Zack Metoyer » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:11 am

While we're bashing GFW's logic, maybe we can all praise how great Orga and the anti-matter aliens were handled in Godzilla 2000. :roll:
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Postby Mysterio » Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:27 am

Dude when I first read your screen name I mentally pronounced it as "Zack Meteor". If that's NOT how you pronounce it, it should be. :wink:
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Postby Zack Metoyer » Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:38 pm

Mysterio wrote:Dude when I first read your screen name I mentally pronounced it as "Zack Meteor". If that's NOT how you pronounce it, it should be. :wink:


I have no idea how it's pronounced because I randomly stole it for use as a pseudonym. And I can't decide if your take on it sounds like a porn star or a lackluster Nickelodeon show.
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Postby Mysterio » Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:43 pm

Zack Metoyer wrote:
Mysterio wrote:Dude when I first read your screen name I mentally pronounced it as "Zack Meteor". If that's NOT how you pronounce it, it should be. :wink:


I have no idea how it's pronounced because I randomly stole it for use as a pseudonym. And I can't decide if your take on it sounds like a porn star or a lackluster Nickelodeon show.


To quote the doctor on Family Guy... "Can't it be both?" :lol:
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