Worst Millenium Kaiju?

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Who isn't up to snuff?

Orga
17
16%
Megaguirus
27
25%
GMK Baragon
4
4%
GMK Mothra
1
1%
GMK Ghidorah
17
16%
Kiryu
6
6%
SOS Mothra
3
3%
Monster X
8
7%
Kaiser Ghidorah
26
24%
 
Total votes : 109

Worst Millenium Kaiju?

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:33 pm

Well, I did it for the Heisei Era, and so I figured I'd try it here...
THIS EXCLUDES ALL GFW KAIJU WITH THE EXCEPTION OF KAISER GHIDORAH AND MONSTER X!!!!
little disclaimer so poeple wouldn't hound me on that issue...

Well, here we go
Orga: So, it's a Godzilla clone, and yet looks NOTHING like Godzilla, sounds nothing like Godzilla (I actually probably couldn't even pick out the roar from a crowd), and it's name is never ever used ONCE in the film? (at least american vers.) but on the plus side, he did have some cool cg effects and i personally like the attempt to swallow the big G, even though it coulda been better

Megaguirus: Well, here we have a supersonic kaiju whose wings beat about once a minute? Many have called Megaguirus little more than a Battra remake and few were fans of the execution. However, he had some especially cool sequences especially where he drops half the building onto the big G and gives that smirk

Baragon (GMK): OK so, they name the monster after it's already dead...not really cool? and the one detraction some have is the coloring, but for many this kaiju was the highlight of the series and only is on here for completeness sake

Mothra (GMK): well, they pretty much de-mystified Mothra, and her attempts to stop the Big G were more futile than ever. She just kind of shows up and dies which some people have problems with. Also very plastic looking. However, for the most part execution was excellent and the use of non-beam powers was cool

King Ghidorah (GMK): The ultimate evil in the Godzilla universe is a good guy??? WHAT?!? The distinctive roar was also missing as it had been since the Showa era, one of the most controversial uses of a classic kaiju in newer toho films, many hope the good guy role for KG will never see the light of day again. ON the plus side, he had some cool sequences, including his rebirths, and was executed rather well considering he was not supposed to have matured fully.

Kiryu (GXMG): well, a different spin on mechagodzilla, actually made from Godzilla. Very cool backstory, however detractors have questioned the piloting of such an advanced robot as well as a fairly across the board hatred of MG's backpack

Mothra (SOS): Back to basics for mothra...the one major pro is also the one major con...this mothra is pretty much the exact same as in mothra vs. godzilla, except for look, but as far as attitude and backstory, it's all there...unfortunately, many feel it was a poor recapturing of mothra's initial spirit...

Monster X: Well, detractors call out an unoriginal design and lackluster roar and execution, while those who liked it point it out as the only monster to be able to take a punch from Godzilla in this film

Kaiser Ghidorah: MORE GHIDORAH!?!? and what's with the tiny wings and four feet...this one will draw a lot of votes being called out for it's duct-taped look or two-guys-in-a-horse-suit appearance. On the plus side it was powerful, the metamorphosis was cool, and if you listen closely you can hear a little throwback to the old roar...

EDIT: my vote goes to megaguirus...poorly executed, very plastic looking, not believable...
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Postby MouthForWar » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:43 pm

Orga, followed by GMK Ghidorah.

I love both Megaguirus and Monster X
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Postby Andrew Nguyen » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:47 pm

Its a tie between Orga and Megaguirus with Kiryu and Monster X not far behind and Kaizer Ghidorah some distance behind them all.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:04 pm

what!?! why throw Kiryu in the mix, his design is miles ahead of the hesei version, and in my opinion almost as good as the showa
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Postby Gfan54 » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:14 pm

As far as the new kaiju introduced in the Millennium series goes, I'd have to say Megaguirus, its design left me thinking "Battra" and he was just another big bug :roll: I'm also not very fond of the Millennium series treatment of Ghidorah in "GMK", talk about the ultimate castration :!: :x
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Postby Hybrid Gojira » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:52 pm

King Shisa wins.... Ang sucked IMO as well... out of the choices listed I'd have to go with Kaiser Ghido..... barely worse than GMK Ghidorah.
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Postby Ultra T-Rex » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:55 am

Orga and Megaguirus are both rather poor IMO. My vote goes to Megaguirus. It is indeed nothing more than another big bug. An updated Megalon would've been much cooler.

Kiryu, while an excellent design and interesting kaiju in his own right, is more of an updated Heisei MG than anything else. The next time Toho decide to bring MG back, I want a return to his roots as a (literally) ruthless killing machine from outer space.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:10 am

King_Ghidorah wrote:what!?! why throw Kiryu in the mix

For completeness sake, as you mighta noticed i listed every kaiju in every millenium movie with the exception of Godzilla, and MOST of the monsters in Final Wars (perhaps I will eventually do a Final Wars one???)

Hybdrid Gojira wrote: King Shisa wins.... Ang sucked IMO as well... out of the choices listed I'd have to go with Kaiser Ghido..... barely worse than GMK Ghidorah.

a lot of people thought anguirus was the highlight of Final Wars...but this thread does not concern final wars with two exception, monster x and kaiser ghidorah...as they were the only two 'new' kaiju in the film

Ultra T-Rex wrote: Orga and Megaguirus are both rather poor IMO. My vote goes to Megaguirus. It is indeed nothing more than another big bug. An updated Megalon would've been much cooler.

Kiryu, while an excellent design and interesting kaiju in his own right, is more of an updated Heisei MG than anything else. The next time Toho decide to bring MG back, I want a return to his roots as a (literally) ruthless killing machine from outer space.
It's odd that while many of the favorite showa kaiju are bugs (kumonga and kamacuras and megalon) Toho managed to totally bite with their giant bug incarnations after megalon...(battra, and megaguirus)

and i agree with what you said about MG returning to his roots...i understand that mechagodzilla makes more sense as a defender against godzilla, but i would like to see him evil once again...
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Postby Hybrid Gojira » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:43 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:a lot of people thought anguirus was the highlight of Final Wars...


Meh, I thought the design sucked really.... but then again I hate GFW.
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Postby ilovebaragon » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:48 pm

Oh come on people... Monster X sucked it hard.
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Postby MouthForWar » Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:04 pm

I thought Monster X kicked ass, but I'm like the only one that thinks that. He looked like he walked out of an evil H.R. Giger painting... which is awesome.

And Angilas was flat out awesome in Final Wars.
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Postby Kaijufan » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:28 am

I went with Orga, but Monster X is a close second.
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Postby Brick Side » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:23 am

MouthForWar wrote:I thought Monster X kicked ass, but I'm like the only one that thinks that. He looked like he walked out of an evil H.R. Giger painting... which is awesome.

And Angilas was flat out awesome in Final Wars.


I liked the Monster X design as well, so you're not alone on that one.
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Postby Gfan54 » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:37 am

MouthForWar wrote:I thought Monster X kicked ass, but I'm like the only one that thinks that. He looked like he walked out of an evil H.R. Giger painting... which is awesome.

And Angilas was flat out awesome in Final Wars.


You're not the only one that likes Monster X. I think the kaiju's design is pretty damned cool myself, and, for some reason, I really think it's kinda creepy when you see him descending down to earth in the blurred background just before his fight with Godzilla...certainly the most original and unique-looking kaiju since Orga, whom I also happen to like despite what a lot of fans seem to think of him.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:22 am

Gfan54 wrote: Orga, whom I also happen to like despite what a lot of fans seem to think of him.

I also like Orga...I mean, he wasn't perfect but IMHO he was the most original kaiju of the millenium era...
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Postby Hybrid Gojira » Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:43 am

Pfft...MOnster X sucked.

Orga was better. Well. At times anyway lol
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Postby Gfan54 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:01 am

jellydonut25 wrote:
Gfan54 wrote: Orga, whom I also happen to like despite what a lot of fans seem to think of him.

I also like Orga...I mean, he wasn't perfect but IMHO he was the most original kaiju of the millenium era...


Really my only complaint about Orga was that he didn't get nearly enough screentime...heck, neither did Godzilla really. Oh well, overall, I still think that "Godzilla 2000" is a pretty darned good G movie...a solid **1/2 out 4 *s! :)
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Postby Brick Side » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:35 am

Can't believe people are voting for Megaguirus... I know it's another insect but it put up a better fight against Godzilla than Mothra or Battra (in final form) ever did (well the Mothra/Godzilla fight in Tokyo SOS is debatable to that). Obviously very intelligent too and perhaps the only monster to have an army under its control. Dangerous and brutal and didn't rely on beams to put up a great fight
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Postby Gfan54 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:51 pm

Brick Side wrote:Can't believe people are voting for Megaguirus... I know it's another insect but it put up a better fight against Godzilla than Mothra or Battra (in final form) ever did (well the Mothra/Godzilla fight in Tokyo SOS is debatable to that). Obviously very intelligent too and perhaps the only monster to have an army under its control. Dangerous and brutal and didn't rely on beams to put up a great fight


Really, the only thing at all I think the kaiju Megaguirus has going for it is its connection to the original "Rodan", and that's pretty much it. To be honest, I don't particularly care much for Battra either, and while Mothra isn't necessarily one of my favorite kaiju she is definitely a classic one and you've got to give it up for her for that! :)
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Postby Brick Side » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:27 pm

I dunno. To me the entire monster is what made the movie good... Even the visible strings from the suit during the first scene with Megaguiras couldn't ruin it for me haha.
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Postby Xenorama » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:31 pm

the second Monster X (what with the first being Jiger and all) is way cooler than chicken-ghidorah.

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Postby Brick Side » Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:50 pm

Xenorama wrote:the second Monster X (what with the first being Jiger and all) is way cooler than chicken-ghidorah.

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I dont remember seeing anything on a design previous to the one that was in the movie. Anyone have a pic???
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Postby Gkiller » Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:00 pm

Brick Side wrote:Can't believe people are voting for Megaguirus... I know it's another insect but it put up a better fight against Godzilla than Mothra or Battra (in final form) ever did (well the Mothra/Godzilla fight in Tokyo SOS is debatable to that). Obviously very intelligent too and perhaps the only monster to have an army under its control. Dangerous and brutal and didn't rely on beams to put up a great fight


How do you figure Megaguirus put up a better fight then Battra? Megs did little more then duck and dodge Godzilla most of the time, not to mention he was a one hit wonder. One blast from Godzilla, and he was finished. Battra on the other hand took several hits, and two point blank hits, while having his neck chomped on for several minutes before finally dying. Megs was nothing more then an annoying mosquito in comparison.
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Postby The Shadow » Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:55 pm

...gosh - this is a tough call for me.

My gut reaction is between Megaguirus and Kaiser Ghidorah, I'd have to go back and re-watch their resepective movies to be 100% certain, on my observations but...

Megaguirus because the 'puppet'/'suit' didn't seem as life-like as it could've been - when it flew around it was virtually motionless.

I guess I'd have to say the same for Kaiser Ghidorah, he wasn't as life-like as I think he could've been.
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Postby Dr. Tongue » Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:21 pm

The Shadow wrote: I guess I'd have to say the same for Kaiser Ghidorah, he wasn't as life-like as I think he could've been.

He was as life-like as he could've been, considering the miniscule amount of money Wasaka had to make the suit.

But Megaguirus on the other hand, there's no excuse for that thing. Poor design and even worse execution. The "Battra 2000" gets my vote.
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