Pro Wrestling Discussion Number IV

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[Tom R VanSlambrouck]

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Finally I have gotten my hands on the Raw 15th Anniversary DVD set and I have to say that I never realized how different the matches are now then they were today. Current WWE matches can be so slow, but 15 years ago they were quicker and more coherent. I realize today there are a lot of "power" wrestlers in the company, but it's just a shame really. For instance they have HBK vs Marty Janetty in what was a great match that has much more action in it than most matches you can see on the WWE today. I suppose if you wanted to compare the old WWF to something now, it would definitely be TNA. When a TNA match is given the time, it definitely resembles what the WWF use to be.

Anyway, I didn't start watching Raw for a few years after it first started and was surprised to see that for months they broadcasted the show from... the Hammerstein Ballroom. Makes me think back to maybe 2 years ago when Vince was reluctant to return there more than once when he brought ECW back. It's also a shame. It's a really awesome venue to have wrestling in.

I do recommend you guys check this out. It's got a lot of great matches on it so far like HBK/Janetty (Cookson, you'd love that one), and 123 Kid/Hart for example. Plus you get to hear the Macho Man's classic commentary

If any of you "need help" getting this, then let me know

[Temjin]

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I agree; matches nowadays are a bit more relaxed and jumbled up than they used to be, at least during the "Superstars" era......Most pay-per-views ar nothing but spotfests now!

...not that I'm complaining - my favorite types of matches, the extreme highflying types, ONLY happen during those puroresu or lucha/MMA style matches that are made up of "spots".

Look at Jack Evans, Matt Sydall, Takuya Sugi or even KENTA - all have a spot here and there.

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Disappointing Raw last night. While I was flipping between it and Monday Night Football, I felt it wasn't as good as the last couple of Raw shows have been. I am surprised to see that Candace Michelle has basically been put on the back burner just like Mickie James. Sad to see. But it looks like it's either Kelly Kelly or Jillian challenging for the title next. I myself hope it's Kelly Kelly as she has come a very long way. Anyway, the Batista/HBK and Punk/Jericho matches were good. I'm surprised we didn't see Evan Bourne at all. The Johnny Knoxville segment was so dumb... At least they sold the beat-downs this time.

I do want to specifically point out Charlie Haas. He has about the dumbest gimmick ever, but I love it. It's a shame he has to be brought down to the comedic level to get over, but he wasn't getting over as a heel or face before so I guess this is where he goes next.

[BruceAReville]

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LANCE CADE has been RELEASED

WTF WWE? He was involved in the feud with HBK/Jericho, loses last week, and that's it? I really thought he was feud with HBK. This really sucks... he had quite a bit of talent.

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[Mysterio]

Dude quit screaming, all the bold is worse than all caps.

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TNA is rumored to be getting ready to introduce a new title referred to as the "legends title," which would be given to Booker T. TNA is currently doing a legends vs new breed type of story-line like WCW did...

Oh TNA, why must you do this. Just when you began to convince me that you were going to be alright you (supposively) do this stunt... There is no room in TNA for another title, nor do they need it. They were making such good strides as they started to cut back on the gimmick matches, and have been featuring more of the X-Division. Now there is possibly this...

Honestly, last few weeks I felt like TNA was becoming a pre-attitude era WWF. Not quite on that level, but around there. But right now more than ever I am feeling like they're more along the lines of WCW in 2000 before it was put to rest. WCW sucked then! I really, really want TNA to succeed because right now they're the only ones who can challenge the WWE. With their ratings dropping, and TNA's remaining consistent, they can seriously start to move in on that WWE fan-base. Instead I am feeling like decisions being made don't revolve around what is best for the company, but revolve around what the writers think would be cool to see.

[Xenorama]

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[BruceAReville]

Lately to me Raw is becoming more like Smackdown was last year - Heck most of the Smackdown roster from last year IS on Raw now.

ECW just seems to a fish out of water to me - floundering

Smackdown ....My carrier doesn't have the MyNetwork unless you buy the full package so I couldn't tell you!!!

TNA - I so want to do Velvet Sky (Aka Talia Madison) - other than that TNA is WCW-Lite

[Mysterio]

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[mrbluehair]

I think I am done with wrestling for a while...actually this is about the only place I still follow it.

There is just nothing really interesting anymore. No more good guys and bad guys, no story building, no real characters to cheer for or boo, just a bunch of guys that want to be anti-heroes.

Because of bouncy story lines the wrestlers pretty much do their matches as first run matches so the pace is slow and booring aside from the couple spots here and there. The reason matches were done better and quicker years ago was the fact that the wrestlers would have time, in their storyline to develop a match base they could do every night and add a variation here and there. Now all it is, is shoot style with spots. Blech...hell one of the last matches I saw you could clearly hear one of the wrestlers call out the next move set...terrible

You see, to me the antihero was a Steve Austin or Rock, even DX for a period where they would fight the baddies but still slap a face if needed. There are no more slow moves from face to heel or vice versa aside from Jericho where you see the change happening.....even better when you would see a change then, in the end it would all be a swerve.

The art of wrestling is lost, I don't know if it can be found again. It ended with the decline of the Attitude Era and the fall of the NWO.

Too bad, I would have enjoyed explaining wrestling to my son.

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