Pro Wrestling Discussion Number IV

by **Tom R VanSlambrouck** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:41 pm

Well this is the fourth Pro Wrestling Discussion thread because the old one was getting to big.

To answer the poll topic I think the State of pro wrestling is mediocore at best.

by **Xenorama** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:09 pm

same ol' same ol', especially since the "attitude" era began. but then, as James Cornette says, one can repeat an angle about every seven years or so.

anyway- did Big Show turn heel (again? zzzz)? with no feud with the Great Kali? lame and weak.

David

by **Brick Side** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:47 pm

Tom R VanSlambrouck wrote:Well this is the fourth Pro Wrestling Discussion thread because the old one was getting to big.

To answer the poll topic I think the State of pro wrestling is mediocore at best.

Part 3 hasn't even been around a year (very close) and now we're ready for part 4 :lol:

The state of wrestling right now is... weird. The WWE are trying some new things, but TNA is a mess. Can't say I ever get to catch ROH or anything like that, but in Ohio we have Pro Wrestling Ohio every week and they'll have TNA guys on there. It's nice because it's mostly wrestling with very little promos, but that's how most indy feds are I imagine.

By the way, i'll remake the PS3 thread, but we should probably remake the Wii one as well, and maybe the 360 one. I am sure with the holidays coming up we'll start to see more posts in them.

by **kidnicky** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:44 pm

A lot of the indy guys don't cut a lot of promos,or have a lot of involved angles,since you have to assume the audience is at least 50% people who have never seen any of these guys before.

by **GhostMachine** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:03 am

TNA is run by either crackheads or mental institution escapees, and I expect things to get worse with Jarrett returning.

Robert Roode and Team 3D should either be released on turned into jobbers, and Kip James just plain needs to be released. Roode is the definition of bland, Team 3D are hurting more than they are helping, and Kip James really hasn't been over since his Mr. Ass days and just takes up roster space. Sheik Abdul Bashir needs to be taken out and shot (that is, the gimmick needs to go, but not Daivari).

Their angles usually make no sense, match stipulations are forgotten or ignored, and the current Sting angle is definitely not going to go the way they want it to. (Sting vs. Jarrett, Sting is going to be the face from the fans' point of view, no matter how hard they try to make it otherwise, because Sting is a legend and Jarrett is overrated, and even making it face vs. face won't work. And I'm sorry, but Samoa Joe is a tweener at the moment, not a face)

The WWE I'm sort of fed up with. I haven't watched more than two episodes of RAW in probably 3 months and haven't watched an episode from start to finish in almost a month. I don't watch Smackdown and rarely watch ECW, and when I do watch ECW its only to see Evan Bourne.

The current Kane and Misterio angle is goofy, Jericho winning the title at Unforgiven was bs (and I like Jericho - its HOW he won it I don't like - didn't make sense adding him to the scramble considering HBK beat the tar out of him earlier in the show; I'm just glad JBL didn't win), and the thing with Santino and the Honk-Meter is going to get old quick. (If he retains the IC title past October, the belt's credibility should start to go down the drain)

The WWE's PPVs are becoming way too predictable. I correctly predicted the outcomes of EVERY Unforgiven match except the RAW Scramble (and its obvious why I didn't get that one right), and I only got one match at Summerslam wrong (I had Cena beating Batista).

By the way, remember Sylvester Terkay, who was in the WWE for a bit a while back? Take a look at him now:

http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... agend8.jpg

(Someone from another board I go to scanned that in)

by **Brick Side** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:15 pm

I liked Terkay... they just never gave him a chance. I also liked Burke, who has not disappeared and will probably be released.

Anyway, the one thing TNA does well right now is the womens division. Man, oh man, they put on some great matches. It's amazing that you don't see these stupid, over-the-top story lines with them, but then you do with the male wrestlers. Oh well. The segments with the knockouts get the highest ratings on the show for a reason.

Can you imagine what TNA would be like if they still treated the X-Division seriously, went back to not having ridiculous story lines (like when Impact first came on), had the 2 hours, PLUS the knockout title? Man, TNA would be above and beyond the best product in the US for wrestling. I mean they had it, but then Russo was hired and then he, Jarrett, and the other writers all went insane with these stupid ideas.

by **Temjin** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:50 pm

I haven't seen IMPACT! in a while....what's goin' on there?

The game kinda got me thinkin' if LAX are actually major players there now...

by **Tom R VanSlambrouck** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:58 pm

So any word on if Christian will indeed becoming back to WWE? It'd be interesting to see what they do with him.

by **GhostMachine** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:47 pm

No word on Christian, as far as I know.

Team 3D re-signed with TNA (HALLELUJAH!!!) and Gail Kim is apparently still trying to decide between TNA and the WWE.

Honestly, not being on the road nearly as much is the ONLY reason anyone should sign with TNA instead of the WWE. WWE jobbers probably make more money than most TNA wrestlers and you're more likely to be used in a stupid angle or storyline in TNA (though you'll likely end up in one in the WWE at some point anyway). You're released from TNA and go to the WWE...if they'll take you....you're probably going to end up in developmental or ECW if you're not a big name; you get released from the WWE and go to TNA, you're probably going to get a push to begin with!

by **kidnicky** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:59 pm

Kip James is just horrible. His biggest claim to fame was standing near Triple H. He looks stupid,he has a half-unintelligable trailer park drawl,and he can't even do the spots properly. I mean,if the guy had solid fundementals I could understand keeping him on the roster as a midcarder,but he seriously can't put on a passable wrestling match. The worst has to be when he does the face first bump like Flair,but he puts his hand out,you know what I mean? It's hard to describe. I mean,I know everyone knows wrestling's worked,but Billy Gunn Kip James Monty Sopp whatever just completely ruins the illusion at least once every match.

Erik Watts is a better wrestler.

by **GhostMachine** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:15 am

Kip James has no future in wrestling after he retires. He's not good at all on the mic so him being a manager or color commentator is right out, unlike BG James, who could do either job. And him being a trainer....well....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

He's never been able to get over no matter what gimmick he's had except as Mr. Ass, and I'd say that was due more to the stupidity of the gimmick and the fact he was tagging with Road Dogg than anything else.

He bombed as Rockabilly (anyone remember that? ugh)

`The One' Billy Gunn? bah. Should have been `The One Who Should Be Wrestling For Food Stamps' Billy Gunn.

Chuck and Billy more people were laughing at than laughing with.

Even teaming him with Big Show briefly didn't work.

A "Best of Kip James" DVD would consist mainly of Smoking Gunns and New Age Outlaws matches....*maybe* The King of the Ring he won....and that's about it. It would be one expensive coaster, though.

The only other wrestlers I hate as much as Kip James are Mark Henry and Jeff Jarrett, and I have altogether different reasons for why I severely dislike them.

by **Brick Side** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:02 pm

Kip James is now running with the Beautiful People :roll:

It's so dumb. I mean, they're a really good tag-team over there on TNA in the women's division, and they don't need someone like Kip James AT ALL. It's sort of like when AMW got Gail Kim as their valet... they didn't need her AT ALL. Gail didn't ruin the group by any means, but on the flip-side Kip could potentially ruin TBP. Such a shame... You can tell he was placed there just to get him on TV.

Anyway, I am watching Raw right now and they showed Kane in his mask! I marked out like crazy but was then sad that he took it off. He alluded to possibly putting it back on, but we'll see. He definitely wants Rey to take his mask off, though.

And did anyone notice that ECW wrestlers are on Raw now... They said the talent exchange is now with Raw and not Smackdown :roll:

It was just fine having them on Smackdown if you ask me.

by **Brick Side** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:01 am

I have to say that I am quite disappointed by the title situation on Raw. Jericho as champ is still fine, no problem there, but they announced him vs HBK for the title at No Mercy. Now don't get me wrong, the fact that it's them in a ladder match is going to be great. No Mercy is known for its ladder matches (Edge and Christian vs the Hardy Boyz in the finals of the Terry Invitational in '99) so it should be exciting. Probably won't be the best, but it'll be good.

No, I am disappointed because CM Punk has gotten completely shafted. JBL and Batista are fighting to be the number 1 contender. I will be upset if Batista wins because he has had a title shot I think every month now since being on Raw. I know JBL has been in the title picture almost just as much, but Batista was getting title shots most months on Smackdown, too. Anyway, Punk lost his title without even being in a match, he gets his rematch, and that's it. NOTHING. I didn't expect him to win the cage match last night, but I expected this feud with Jericho to continue. Instead Punk is now the odd-man out. Storyline-wise... it again just doesn't really add up. In a world where we have long, drawn-out feuds made up of many matches, it doesn't make sense to have this main-eventer just lose the title, get one rematch, and that be it.

Of course I am getting a bit ahead of myself here. They could always add Punk to either the JBL vs Batista match or, better yet, the HBK vs Jericho match. But I have a feeling they won't. If that's the case then I don't know which "creative screw-job" from this WWE era is worse: Orton losing the title to HHH after a month, or this.

On the bright-side of things, it's not as bad as Kane losing the title after 1 night or Jericho losing the title the same night he won it.

By the way, why is Candice getting a shot at Beth Phoenix when Kelly Kelly PINNED HER (the Glamazon) CLEANLY just a few weeks ago?

by **Temjin** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:58 pm

....speaking of Candace, did anyone notice she's not as "curvy" or "chiseled" as she once was?

Not criticizing her or anything, but.....it was noticable on RAW......

Also, the CM Punk thing is out there. I'm hoping they're just putting off any announcement regarding him until later, and hopefuly it does mean he's going to be added to the main event.

That Cage Match couldv'e been better, I think, as there were many spots they just put out there for the fans, but never realized....I actually h ad high hopes too, since neither really had any beef with one another; it felt like an authentic exhibition challenge match.

by **Brick Side** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:29 pm

Well looks like Jeff Hardy is at it again. Apparently he was unable to board a plane yesterday and was escorted from the airport. The WWE is said be investigating it right now. But really, what nice timing, right? Here he goes again, getting another push for the title (which he may even win) and here he goes again, doing something stupid. No matter what the issue is the fact of the matter is that it's just beyond ironic that it would all come up when he's being pushed towards the title.

by **Mysterio** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:42 pm

Brick Side wrote:Well looks like Jeff Hardy is at it again. Apparently he was unable to board a plane yesterday and was escorted from the airport. The WWE is said be investigating it right now. But really, what nice timing, right? Here he goes again, getting another push for the title (which he may even win) and here he goes again, doing something stupid. No matter what the issue is the fact of the matter is that it's just beyond ironic that it would all come up when he's being pushed towards the title.

And the thing is, they've been working it into his angle... all the speeches from MVP, HHH etc.... the whole "you got two strikes already... three strikes and your out!" They must've had a lot of confidence that he had licked it, because it seems "dangerous" from a storyline point of view to bring all that up on camera (even though they mostly just alluded to the situation... the smarks knew the deal but I guess some of the little kids weren't in on it). Unless MAYBE they hoped that bringing his mistakes out into the open might scare him into steering the course of the straight and narrow....

by **mrbluehair** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:36 pm

Brick Side wrote:Well looks like Jeff Hardy is at it again. Apparently he was unable to board a plane yesterday and was escorted from the airport. The WWE is said be investigating it right now. But really, what nice timing, right? Here he goes again, getting another push for the title (which he may even win) and here he goes again, doing something stupid. No matter what the issue is the fact of the matter is that it's just beyond ironic that it would all come up when he's being pushed towards the title.

Could this be part of the angle itself??? I'd really like to hope so because it would be a shame for him to finally put that nail in his coffin. I mean this kid has done so much to himself physically and to self destruct...shame.

by **Brick Side** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:14 pm

It's possible.

It's being said that the airport had not filed a report at all, and Matt Hardy had posted a blog that says he and Jeff had dinner at home in North Carolina the night that the incident allegedly happened. So what we have here is... possibly a big misunderstanding by airport security and an eye-witness. I really hope it is. I would love to see both Hardys as champs. Maybe they could then feud over who the better one is... man, that feud could be HUGE. Can you imagine the matches just those two could produce?

by **GhostMachine** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:03 pm

Latest news I've heard is that it was actually Jeff Hardy's girlfriend and not Jeff himself, who was detained.

by **Brick Side** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:15 pm

I just read that security thought he was drunk, and so he had to take the next flight back home. They said that there was no need to call the police, and Jeff was very cooperative. This all comes from the Tennessean, which I guess is some sort of newspaper down there.

Since no report was supposively filed, I would imagine that it was either a misunderstanding or he was somewhat intoxicated. So really it just sounds like that this was blown out of proportion by the eye-witness there. I mean he was cooperative, no report was filed, no police were called so whether he was or not probably doesn't matter. I would imagine the WWE won't be punishing him at all even if he was drunk.

by **GhostMachine** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:49 pm

The Tennessean is a paper that I believe is printed in Nashville. They sell it over here in Knoxville, but I don't know of anyone who actually reads it.

by **Brick Side** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:31 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP5R7gqn8_s

Foley's debut with TNA. Can you say WEIRD? Never thought i'd see him in anything but the WWF/WWE

by **Temjin** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:21 pm

.........speaking of wierd, when is the "Ultimate Warrior" set to return? I remember seeing the training videos on youtube, but nothing else happened afterwards...

BTW, I don't know abotu you guys, but IMO, Foley's about done it all to the point that he shouldn't be on TV anymore. It's just my take on things. I never got why they like him so much. I personally, never liked him much, because I just "never got it" when it came to his characters....

I don't really see what else TNA can get out of this besides, well...a cheap pop.

by **Brick Side** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:13 am

Foley has done it all. He really doesn't need to come back and wrestle, or even be a character.

But I caught him on Impact this week. He appeared at the very end and did his Cactus Jack taunt to Kurt Angle and Sting. He didn't appear in person or anything.

So yes, I did watch Impact for the first time in awhile. You know what? I really enjoyed it. A lot of the story lines are stupid, but the matches are very entertaining for the most part. It is, of course, different from what we see in the WWE and that's good. Plus the Knockouts are definitely nice to look at (well most of them)! Especially Velvet Sky and Angelina Love of the Beautiful People!

by **GhostMachine** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:00 am

Temjin wrote:.........speaking of wierd, when is the "Ultimate Warrior" set to return? I remember seeing the training videos on youtube, but nothing else happened afterwards...

BTW, I don't know abotu you guys, but IMO, Foley's about done it all to the point that he shouldn't be on TV anymore. It's just my take on things. I never got why they like him so much. I personally, never liked him much, because I just "never got it" when it came to his characters....

I don't really see what else TNA can get out of this besides, well...a cheap pop.

Warrior returned in some fed in Spain, for one match only. Had on his usual ring gear but no face paint at all, and he short hair and a goatee. He wrestled, and defeated, the fed's champion, then forfeited the title.

To show how crappy this fed was, the champion he beat was Orlando Jordan!

Foley I prefer as Cactus Jack or Dude Love. He's only bearable in small doses as himself, really.

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