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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby eabaker » Fri May 18, 2018 2:21 pm

klen7 wrote:ZËIЯAM 2 - It had been a while since I had seen Zeiram, so I rewatched it first. It still holds up pretty well despite feeling little derivative at times, which is a little disingenuous as a criticism because it is pretty uniquely original in more ways than not... Anyway, the second movie seems to embrace all the things good about the first film and runs with them. Iria is even more badass this time around and the action choreography has improved. Yukijiro Hotaru hams it wonderfully once more. Teppei and Kamiya still play off each other well. Keita Amemiya's unique designs and eagerness to blend many different special effects techniques continues to be reason enough to check out his films. I am looking forward to checking out "Moon Over Tao"


I actually saw part 2 first (at an early G-Fest), and then sought out the first one. I did find part 1 kind of disappointing by comparison, but it's grown on me a lot in more recent years.

Moon Over Tao may be Amemiya's best (at least of those I've seen) in terms of traditional plotting and characterization.

However, my favorite of his movie's is solidly Mechanical Violator Hakkaider. It's structurally kind of clunky, and some might find it a little too self-consciously "edgelord," or whatever, but "OH GODZILLA! WHAT TERRIBLE LANGUAGE!" do I just delight in its imagery, its energy, and its anarchy.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby klen7 » Fri May 18, 2018 9:51 pm

^^ So the animated series is worth checking out?

^ Hakkaider is pretty fun. I love the final act
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby Dr Kain » Fri May 18, 2018 11:54 pm

Deadpool 2 - That may be the best post-credit scene of all time!!! Not as good as the first, but still a fun time. 8/10.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby lhb412 » Sat May 19, 2018 1:11 am

The Ghost and Mrs. Muir

I like to watch this movie to check if my tear ducts are still working... yup, they still work.

I think Gene Tierney is quite possibly the most beautiful human being to ever be photographed. Oh, and Bernard Hermann's score for this is one of the greatest of all time.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby jellydonut25 » Sat May 19, 2018 3:01 pm

Black Panther - It's got some very high highs (Killmonger and MBJ in general, the whole representation thing) and some REALLY low lows...that CGI is an ABSOLUTE JOKE. It's pre-vis level nonsense.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby Dr Kain » Sun May 20, 2018 11:30 am

/Frankly, I don't even know why we bother talking about CGI anymore. It's there, we know it's there, that's pretty much all there is to say about it.

Anyway,

Kamen Rider Heisei Generations Final - Quite good. The best Kamen Rider movie since the Fourze/OOO one. 9/10.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby lhb412 » Sun May 20, 2018 11:33 am

^I agree with Jelly. Some of the CGI in Black Panther is quite bad - which is a shame, because otherwise visually (the costuming and sets) it is the most beautiful Marvel movie.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby Dr Kain » Sun May 20, 2018 12:41 pm

lhb412 wrote:^I agree with Jelly. Some of the CGI in Black Panther is quite bad - which is a shame, because otherwise visually (the costuming and sets) it is the most beautiful Marvel movie.


Oh, I'm not disagreeing there, but that is just par for the course these days. Hell, the ending scene in IW with
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Bruce inside the Hulkbuster with the top off when Cap was on the ground was pretty bad looking too,
but I've given up on really caring about bad CGI. It's no different than bad practical effects.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby jellydonut25 » Sun May 20, 2018 3:00 pm

I mean, BAD CGI is just as offensive to me as BAD practical effects, ESPECIALLY from large budget productions that can do better. It’s lazy and pulls me out of the movie. When the car went to pieces in Black Panther I had to pause and take a leak out of frustration.

Black Panther also suffers from a very meandering, borderline nonsensical first 45 minutes or so where stuff just happens from scene to scene with no real connective tissue....and a criminal underuse of Andy Serkis’ really fun performance.
It’s a slightly above average Marvel movie. I’m glad I didn’t see it in theaters
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby lhb412 » Sun May 20, 2018 3:07 pm

I thought Black Panther was probably the best Marvel Studios movie.

Of course, best films based on Marvel comics are still Spider-Man 2 and Blade II!

As for the why to the bad CGI? I think it's probably just the time budgeted. These release dates are set in stone, so if they realized they needed a few more months of rendering deep into production, well, no can do.

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Ah, Zeiram: another one of those movies that's been on my radar for half my lifetime that I still haven't watched.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby canofhumdingers » Sun May 20, 2018 3:38 pm

I think Jelly's assessment of Black Panther is spot on.

And Black Panther and Spider-Man 2 the best Marvel films? lhb, I like you. I really do. But you have TERRIBLE taste in comic book movies!
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby lhb412 » Sun May 20, 2018 4:09 pm

^ I said Panther was one of (if not 'the best') MCU films, not Marvel films overall, where I listed "Blade II"

Wesley Snipes cuts Ron Perlman in half - vertically!

Of course, the best 'comic book movies' are Hellboy II, the second Lone Wolf and Cub movie, the second Female Prisoner Scorpion movie, Akira, Nausicaä, Speed Racer, Superman (1978), Spider-Man 2, Blade II, and Robocop (which isn't based on a comic, but hugely indebted to Judge Dredd and also very much a superhero so I think it counts).
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby canofhumdingers » Sun May 20, 2018 5:14 pm

lhb412 wrote:^ I said Panther was one of (if not 'the best') MCU films, not Marvel films overall, where I listed "Blade II”


Yeah I know what you said, I was paraphrasing. And even within the confines of the MCU, Black Panther (as JD said) is slightly above average, at best.

I’d say Captain America: The First Avenger, Captain America: Winter Soldier, Spider-Man Homecoming, and Guardians of the Galaxy 1 & 2 are the best of the MCU and Black Panther doesn’t hold a candle to any of those.

Best comic book movies ever?

Hmm. Batman (89), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990), Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and Wonder Woman would be on the list, alongside the MCU entries I mentioned above. I’m also really partial to Batman v. Superman: Ultimate Edition and I think it’s a lot better than people give it credit for, but I know I’m still probably in the minority on that one.

I’ll agree with you that Superman: The Movie also ranks among the best comic based films.

EDIT, forgot to mention X2: X-men United and X-men First Class in the list of best comic book movies.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby Dr Kain » Sun May 20, 2018 7:05 pm

lhb412 wrote:Of course, best films based on Marvel comics are still Spider-Man 2 and Blade II!


I still don't get the love for Blade II. Ron Perlman is the only thing that keeps it from being just as bad as Trinity. It's all action no plot. The first one might have had a goofy plot, but at least it was a plot and we got character development. II just moves from one action scene to the next with little to no down time.

jellydonut25 wrote:I mean, BAD CGI is just as offensive to me as BAD practical effects, ESPECIALLY from large budget productions that can do better. It’s lazy and pulls me out of the movie. When the car went to pieces in Black Panther I had to pause and take a leak out of frustration.


What was wrong with the car scene? I thought that was hilarious when she is just sitting there with the steering wheel in her hand.

Frankly, I don't even notice bad CGI if the story has me so engrossed. I'm too busy paying attention to what is happening rather than the minute details in design.

Best MCU movies in my book are Winter Soldier, Civil War, Spider-Man Homecoming, Black Panther, Guardians 1, Ant-Man, and Infinity War. No idea what the exact ordering is right now aside from Winter Soldier, which is still #1. Captain America is the most consistent of the MCU.

Best comic movies overall would include the ones mentioned above along with The Dark Knight, V for Vendetta, and Deadpool 1.

Now some of the worst are Jonah Hex, Batman & Robin, Batman vs Superman, Justice League, Elektra, and Ghost Rider 2.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby lhb412 » Sun May 20, 2018 7:12 pm

Dr Kain wrote:I still don't get the love for Blade II. Ron Perlman is the only thing that keeps it from being just as bad as Trinity. It's all action no plot. The first one might have had a goofy plot, but at least it was a plot and we got character development. II just moves from one action scene to the next with little to no down time.


It's just cool. Blade is cool. Whistler is cool. The bad guys are cool. Everyone's dressed cool and looks cool. The monsters are really cool. The action is cool.

You can get away with just cool if things are cool enough.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby Dr Kain » Sun May 20, 2018 10:04 pm

But Whistler had no busines being resurrected (especially when he dies again in the next film).
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby lhb412 » Sun May 20, 2018 10:13 pm

^ All I'm sayin' is that if you have a choice to put Kris Kristofferson in your movie you should.

I'll make no defense of Blade Trinity, as it's abysmal.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sun May 20, 2018 10:16 pm

I don't remember any of the CGI in Black Panther sticking out as notably worse than the CGI in any given Hollywood movie these days. As a lifelong fan of practical effects and tokusatsu who grew up as CGI became Hollywood's industry standard, I've long since given up on expecting the rest of the world to be bothered by the intangible nature of computer graphics to the same degree as subpar practical effects work. Most people don't notice or otherwise just aren't bothered by it. Now we're in the age of movies and TV shows shot with digital cameras being digitally transmitted on HD digital screens. That gives modern movies and shows a digital texture even when there are no visual effects in the shot, so when there is CGI it's just par for the course not because it looks real but because it looks like it fits right in with all this digital imagery. It's what people expect to see at this point and I think Hollywood is slacking in the CGI department more often now because they realize they can get away with it.

Typical noticeable CGI notwithstanding, I think Black Panther is fantastic. It revels in classic narrative tropes while blazing its own unique audio-visual rhythm, not unlike the first Iron Man or something like Speed Racer or Mad Max: Fury Road.


lhb412 wrote:I thought Black Panther was probably the best Marvel Studios movie.

canofhumdingers wrote:And even within the confines of the MCU, Black Panther (as JD said) is slightly above average, at best.

I’d say Captain America: The First Avenger, Captain America: Winter Soldier, Spider-Man Homecoming, and Guardians of the Galaxy 1 & 2 are the best of the MCU and Black Panther doesn’t hold a candle to any of those.

Dr Kain wrote:Best MCU movies in my book are Winter Soldier, Civil War, Spider-Man Homecoming, Black Panther, Guardians 1, Ant-Man, and Infinity War. No idea what the exact ordering is right now aside from Winter Soldier, which is still #1. Captain America is the most consistent of the MCU.


It's great how varied different people's picks for the best MCU movies can be. Here's how I rank the MCU:


    Captain America: The Winter Soldier
    Iron Man
    Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
    Spider-Man: Homecoming
    Thor: Ragnarok
    Guardians of the Galaxy
    Black Panther
    Avengers: Infinity War
    Iron Man 3
    Thor
    The Avengers
    Captain America: Civil War
    Captain America: The First Avenger
    Avengers: Age of Ultron
    Iron Man 2
    Doctor Strange
    The Incredible Hulk
    Ant-Man
    Thor: The Dark World

Everything from Captain America: The First Avenger and above are movies that I really don't have a problem with. Even if they made creative choices that I would have done differently, I think those are all solid movies that excel on their own merits. Everything from Avengers: Age of Ultron and below are movies that I think have some rather glaring faults that put them on a lower tier than the rest but they're still good movies overall. I think Thor: The Dark World is the closest thing to a bad movie that Marvel Studios has put out and it's really just aggressively mediocre and generic.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby Dr Kain » Mon May 21, 2018 12:18 am

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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby klen7 » Mon May 21, 2018 7:06 am

MCU ranking:
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Thor: Ragnarok
Guardians of the Galaxy
Iron Man
Captain America: The First Avenger
Captain America: Civil War
The Avengers
Avengers: Infinity War
Iron Man 2
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Thor
Black Panther
Ant-Man
Iron Man 3
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Doctor Strange
The Incredible Hulk
Thor: The Dark World

I think MCU has cracked the code on making enjoyable movies, so I like most of these movies better than other films that come out the same year, whereas i haven't liked anything from the DCU. I really dont remember Incredible Hulk, and i liked Doctor Strange better as a supporting character in Infinity War than as the protagonist in his own film, but I can say a lot a nice things about any of these
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon May 21, 2018 8:39 am

My MCU Ranking without overthinking it (and using Wikipedia to remember what movies have even been released because, while enjoyable, a lot of the movies are like 3-3.5/5 for me so they're mostly just throwaway entertainment):
Captain America: Winter Soldier
The Incredible Hulk
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Avengers: Infinity War
Marvel's The Avengers
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Black Panther
Iron Man
Thor: Ragnarok
Guardians of the Galaxy
-Right Around HERE-ish where I'd make my cutoff of stuff I'd watch just to watch...and stuff I'd watch only really as part of revisiting the series-
Ant-Man
Iron Man 3
Doctor Strange
Iron Man 2
Captain America: The First Avenger
Thor
Thor: The Dark World
-The Dirt-
Captain America: Civil War
-A Fat Sack of Crap-
Avengers: Age of Ultron


The only two movies I don't really enjoy are both kinda large pieces of the puzzle. I wonder if that will change my enjoyment level of them at all now that I'm digging the ending....but honestly, probably not...Civil War just missed the boat so badly on tone and consequences and whiffed terribly on the ending, and Age of Ultron is just a sloppy mess of trash that Joss Whedon even admits he just quit on during editing.

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It's great how varied different people's picks for the best MCU movies can be.

For me personally though, I don't get like...up in arms about anyone's opinions, because the movies are all kinda same-ish. Aside from Winter Soldier, I don't think any are EXCEPTIONALLY AMAZING and aside from Ultron, I don't think any are EXCEPTIONALLY CRAPPY....so there's a WIDE swath of middle-ground there.



Also, I'm surprised people are saying they didn't notice the CGI being better/worse in one movie or another. MULTIPLE people/places have specifically called out the CGI in Black Panther. Moments from it stick out BAD to me...like how Jurassic World's final sequence has some putrid CGI where it looks like the dinosaurs are floating above the ground...
The first waterfall sequence - the people looked very cut-and-paste. This might be more of a compositing issue, but it was BAD. Early moment that pulled me out of the movie.
The car going to pieces at the end of the car chase - this is pre-vis level nonsense. It's actively offensively bad, and there's no texture to anything. It's like, pre-Jurassic Park CGI...15 years AFTER Jurassic Park.
The climax - Just bad CGI all over it, especially the two panthers fighting. Matrix Reloaded flashbacks.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby Dr Kain » Mon May 21, 2018 9:08 am

See, I didn't even care about the bad CGI in The Matrix Reloaded when Neo fought all of those Smiths. I was too busy enjoying the fight choreography and music to care.

Hell, if I can still enjoy Shin Godzilla despite its bad PS4 graphics, I can enjoy any movie with bad CGI. Same goes for that adaptation of A Sound of Thunder 15 years ago.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon May 21, 2018 9:13 am

Well, Reloaded harkens back to something like Jurassic Park or pre-Jurassic Park or anything like that....it was fine then....but we're SEVERAL years beyond that now and a lot of movies HAVE done better. We SHOULD be doing better. Black Panther was as bad (if not worse)
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby canofhumdingers » Wed May 23, 2018 12:11 am

Godzilla 1985 (HD reconstruction by Red Menace) - I've had this for some time and just now got around to watching it. It's been years since I've watched the American version. It was a fun trip down memory lane, but I can say with certainty that I prefer the original Japanese version. The editing does improve the pacing a bit, but it also introduces some nonsensical timeline errors. Sometimes it just bounces back and forth between various unrelated scenes rapidly without explanation in a haphazard way, and sometimes it just introduces direct continuity errors (like three back to back shots of Godzilla in a row where he goes from emerging from the water, to swimming face down in it, to standing upright in it in the span of a few seconds).

Basically, they had a decent idea of tightening up the pace but they obviously did it as cheaply as possible and the results are rather sloppy.

I do like the high pitched scream and Raymond Burr voice-over finale though.

And Red Menace did an AMAZING job rebuilding this version with the available materials.
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Re: Recently watched movies!

Postby lhb412 » Thu May 24, 2018 12:23 am

Saw Porco Rosso in the theater and dang is this movie a delight. I know Miyazaki has created far weightier and ambitious films, but you just sense he's having so much fun making this one. An advantage of seeing it in a crowd for the first time; now I know were some of the big laugh moments are, which is obvious when you see a film for the first time in theaters, but can be very surprising if you're very familiar with the film from home viewing beforehand.
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