TALKBACK#18: Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah

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Postby Andrew Nguyen » Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:05 am

Benjamin Haines wrote:From CNN:
Twin Tale: Rising China, Japan's setting sun

Japan's bubble burst 20 years ago and has remained stagnant. People in her age group, says Toshiko, have never known a thriving Japanese economy.


It's funny to think that Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah was made about 20 years ago, suggesting that Japan might grow into the ultimate world economic superpower.



Time sure has flown by fast and much has truly changed (and one wonders if it has for better or worse).
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:53 pm

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zekend01 wrote:^^I like the military mobilization theme. The dogfight with KG theme... not so much.


Did you know that was a piece of music written for the Ostinato performance from the 1980s? Even with Ifukube at the helm the music editors weren't above using stock tracks.


From the old Monster Zero, Interview with Akira Ifukube by David Milner, December 1992

DM: The scene in GODZILLA VS. KING GHIDORAH (1991) that features a number of tanks approaching the spaceship from the future is very similar to the one in DESTROY ALL MONSTERS (1968) that features a number of tanks approaching the Kilaak base. In addition, the scene that features a number of F-15s attacking Ghidorah is similar to the one in RODAN that features a number of F-86s attacking Rodan. The music that is heard during these two scenes in GODZILLA VS. KING GHIDORAH is the same as the music heard during the similar ones in the earlier films. Was your intention to remind the members of the audience of the scenes in the earlier movies?

AI: I'm amazed that you remember those scenes so well!

At first, the Japanese Self Defense Force said that it could not cooperate with Toho in the production of GODZILLA VS. KING GHIDORAH because of the possibility of classified information being revealed. However, an officer of the JSDF came to see the rushes of the film, and he agreed to allow footage of F-15s to be used. The length of the sequence in which the F-15s attack Ghidorah then was changed. I therefore had to change the piece that I'd written for the sequence. The score was going to be recorded the following day, however, and I had no time in which to compose a new piece of music. So, I looked through the motion picture library, and found that the theme I'd written for RODAN would fit. That's why I used it.

I used the theme from DESTROY ALL MONSTERS for the sequence in which the tanks approach the spaceship from the future for the same reason.

By the way, the scenes in GODZILLA VS. MOTHRA that feature the glowing title and NASA officials detecting a meteor approaching Earth were both added at the last moment. So, I had to modify my original score for the movie to accommodate those changes.
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Postby MouthForWar » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:46 pm

Ifukube reused themes from other films constantly, even in the Showa days.
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Postby Tyler E. Martin » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:01 pm

MouthForWar wrote:Ifukube reused themes from other films constantly, even in the Showa days.


I think he was referring in that instance to a track taken directly from the "Ostinato" album.
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Postby MrShape666 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:01 pm

I have mixed feelings about this movie, it was so loopy with its scripting. A hell of a lotta fun for the most part, and Mechakinghidorah was an awesome creation. Like a lot of people, I curled my lips up at Kazuki Ohmori's rampant anti-Americanism. With its weird plot a lot times I get the same feeling from this film that I get from GFW.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:20 pm

MrShape666 wrote:I have mixed feelings about this movie, it was so loopy with its scripting. A hell of a lotta fun for the most part, and Mechakinghidorah was an awesome creation. Like a lot of people, I curled my lips up at Kazuki Ohmori's rampant anti-Americanism. With its weird plot a lot times I get the same feeling from this film that I get from GFW.


I didn't know a lot of people curled their lips up at Kazuki Omori's rampant anti-Americanism..? Is this really the case?
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:46 pm

Eh. Never heard of it until now. Looks to be just something else blown out of proportion by the news.
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Postby kpa » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:34 pm

A few news sources reported that story, but the supposed "controversy" came and went very quickly. It was a non-story, and when GvsKG was released in the US a few years later there wasn't even the slightest protest about it being Anti-American.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:36 am

My biggest problems in the island sequences come from the shoddy effects work and nonsensical character inclusions.
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:59 am

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I love this movie.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:32 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:My biggest problems in the island sequences come from the shoddy effects work and nonsensical character inclusions.


The thing I hate/love about that scene is you get those goofy ass "IMA SQUISHIN YOU" shots, but then after the attack, there's an awesome bit of the soldier's radios going off being asked to respond as you get a few shots of the dead on the beach. It's a really cool bit of the film, (and this is a running thing in GvsKG) marred only by the goofy moments created by bad decisions or bad effects.
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Postby Gwangi » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:27 pm

Just saw this again the other day (hadn’t seen it in many, many years). I was curious if my attitude about this movie changed - has it aged well? Am I more lenient as I get older?

Needless to say, my thoughts were all still the same - interesting ideas, but poorly executed. And I put that all in the shoulders of Kazuki Ōmori. It is really his inept script and dialog that pretty much sink this film (that and some rather uneven special effects, which were surprising when I first saw this movie).

No yeah, just a boo on this one still.
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Postby Flame of Udin » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:00 pm

The only way I can enjoy this film is when I watch it in a nostalgic mode. I remember well being a young lad in 1992 trying to hunt this film down and when I finally found it it was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. It opened my eyes to the Heisei series. Now that I am an old fart all I can do is complain about Gamera's roar and the terrible American actors.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:10 pm

Gamera's roar being used is the least of this film's problems.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:43 am

MekaGojira3k wrote:Gamera's roar being used is the least of this film's problems.
QFT...pretty sad that it's one of the better Heisei-era films.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:16 am

jellydonut25 wrote:
MekaGojira3k wrote:Gamera's roar being used is the least of this film's problems.
QFT...pretty sad that it's one of the better Heisei-era films.


That is sad. :(

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Postby rockstarbd82 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:15 pm

This is def a favorite of mine. true the plot tends to go back and forth and come off a tad bit outlandish, but Godzilla doesn't disappoint in this one. The one part I do like about the human/time travel story is how they dig deeper on Godzilla's pre mutation story.

The M11 concept does a good job at poking fun at the Terminator franchise. Robert Scott Field is the man. Several funny dub liners here including the old fashioned Eastwood ripoff "MAKE MY DAY" :eek: :lol:

The Godzilla suit and King Ghidorah suit were both crafted masterfully. I know the Heisie era is critisized heavily for its "beam wars" mentality in the fight choreography, but the first battle I felt was a great throwback to the old school godzilla fights I was used to. It was just classic.

MechaKing Ghidorah Holy $*@( :eek: !!!!!!!!!! And the fact that Godzilla goes from heel to face and back to heel again was interesting.

For a Heisie film, it was definitely awesome.
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Postby Mac » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:15 pm

This film has some great concepts. Men from the future going back into the past to defeat Godzilla! Yoshio Tsuchiya as a WW2 veteran that knew Godzilla! Just so awesome.

I love the Shinjuku miniatures too. So large and monolithic. We haven't seen anything like them since. No contest. The best of the 90s.
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Postby Green Dragon » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:37 pm

I remember Entertainment Tonight and their report trying to play up the Anti-American thing, but nobody was really interested, it seems; after all it was just a Godzilla movie.

The report showed fleeting shots of amazing MechaGhidorah vs Godzilla scenes, so the search was on, and then when I finally saw a badly copied subtitled VHS of it, probably from a Hong Kong laserdisc, I was like: :?

All those poor sparkler explosions, the weak acting by almost everyone (even without being defiled by bad dubbing), that AWFUL time travel subplot to WWII with the Dorats and the idiotic American acting ("A Giant Dino-Sore is ATTACKING our BOYS!") and that dorky Spielberg reference, to the running M-11 scenes (reminds me of a Bjork video that came out a few years later)... oh my. Quite a bit to sit through to.

The effects run hot and cold. Godzilla's suit in this one looks great. Ghidorah looks alright, not really digging the straight horns OR its roar. Flying scenes were weak. Overall, nowhere as good as Showa (60's more precisely) Ghidorah.

The miniature city effects: entertaining, but the more miniaturized scale due to Godzilla growing in size made everything look more out of scale, even though they were still fun to watch. And yes, they were the best the 90's Toho G-films had...(now, the Heisei Gamera Series....that's altogether another matter)

And then I saw the DVD; OOOH, that dub is atrocious. :eek:

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Postby MekaGojira3k » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:31 pm

rockstarbd82 wrote:The M11 concept does a good job at poking fun at the Terminator franchise.


See, I never got the feeling they were poking fun. I always saw it as a poor attempt to rip it off.
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Postby MouthForWar » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:34 am

MekaGojira3k wrote:
rockstarbd82 wrote:The M11 concept does a good job at poking fun at the Terminator franchise.


See, I never got the feeling they were poking fun. I always saw it as a poor attempt to rip it off.


I'm pretty sure Omori has come forward and said it was a diliberate rip off. The only reason one could even be under the assumption that its poking fun is because of how sh*tty a lot of it looks... which is budget related, not intentional.
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Postby rockstarbd82 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:09 pm

MouthForWar wrote:
MekaGojira3k wrote:
rockstarbd82 wrote:The M11 concept does a good job at poking fun at the Terminator franchise.


See, I never got the feeling they were poking fun. I always saw it as a poor attempt to rip it off.


I'm pretty sure Omori has come forward and said it was a diliberate rip off. The only reason one could even be under the assumption that its poking fun is because of how sh*tty a lot of it looks... which is budget related, not intentional.


Either way, Robert Scott Field pulls it off great ;)
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Postby Gwangi » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:37 am

Mac wrote:Yoshio Tsuchiya as a WW2 veteran that knew Godzilla! Just so awesome.


The most remarkable thing about this movie is that Mr. Shindo (Tshuchiya) never seemed to have aged in those nearly 50 years! :o
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Postby MouthForWar » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:46 am

I find the film to be fun and all, but Tsuchiya totally steals the show here. I believe he said this was his favorite role after Seven Samurai and the Human Vapor. Say what you want about the movie, but his performance really is great.
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