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TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

Postby Silver Kamen » Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:21 pm

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

Postby Jorzilla » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:00 pm

My Japanese is super rusty and I don't want to drawn all the characters in Windows IME. Does anyone have a translation for this plaque?

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:36 am

Yeah, it's meant to memorialize the attack and the victims. Holocaust memorials don't make a monument to the holocaust itself, rather its victims.
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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

Postby Arislan » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:37 pm

Just finished rewatching this. Wow the Heisei era sucked so bad.

I'd have preferred to see ten Godzilla movies that re-used the cast of Godzilla vs. Gigan. Even if it became a comedy series it would have been better than all the junk from the Heisei series.
But the Corn Cob actor retired after Gigan so I can see why they went with a reboot instead. :roll:

And I haven't even come to the movie with the reverse-moonwalking-floating-terminator. I don't remember which one that was.
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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:01 pm

This movie owns.
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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

Postby Dr Kain » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:03 am

Back in the early 90’s, a friend was talking about seeing a Godzilla movie that had a giant plant monster as his enemy. I was shocked when he told me this as I had never seen this movie before, nor could I find any record of it until one day my dad and I accidentally came across a copy of it for rent in a local video store back in 96. We rented it and I watched it the moment we got home and every day after until it had to be returned to the store (which back then, was only three days). It instantly become one of my favorite Godzilla movies and remains to be so to this very day.

The plot itself is an interesting one, as it starts off hours directly after the events of Godzilla’s attack in 1984. He has just been trapped within the volcano on Mount Mihara and a small battle ensues over some discovered Godzilla cells, which leads an Arabian assassin obtaining them from American soldiers who were stealing them from Japanese soldiers. Then we have an attack on a Saradia laboratory, killing the daughter of a Japanese scientist named Dr. Shiragami. The story then jumps to five years later where the battle over the Godzilla cells continues as Saradia and American agents continue their plans to obtain them. This leads to Godzilla being freed from Mount Mihara, the creation of a monster that is a cross breed between the DNA belonging to Godzilla, a plant, and Shiragami’s daughter The plot seems very confusing but is actually well executed. One of the things I love about the movie’s plot is how there are a lot of subplots that are connected to one another and they are all concluded by the end of the movie. Another great thing in here is how the Japanese are taking a proactive approach to Godzilla’s return as opposed to the reactive one they had in the previous movie. Granted, that has more to do with Godzilla had just shown up unexpectedly the last two times, but it still was nice to see that they had actually put counter measures into fruition with the expectation that he would return this time around.

Another unexpected piece from this movie is how the characters seem quite realistic as no one is safe. In the previous era of Godzilla movies, the main characters were always guaranteed to be alive at the end of the movie. Here, that is not the case. It does not matter if you are an American spy or one of the main characters who is part of the military, your death could happen at any given moment as it can to anyone else in the movie, which really adds to the threat of Godzilla’s existence. Speaking of the characters, this movie is full of them and they are all pretty awesome and have their own dilemmas. Shiragami is dealing with the death of his daughter, but at the same time does not care what he does to the world as long as it is in the name of science. Gondo is a soldier bored of his mind and wishes for something to happen to get him back into action. Kirishima is a scientist who believes that messing the DNA of creatures could cause negative repercussions in the future and hates it despite having no choice but to go along with the plan for the good of Japan. There is Kuroki, a military officer who shows great determination for his job along with coming up with intelligent plans to help better their defenses. Not to mention it is briefly commented that he is part of a newly created unit. Finally, there is Miki Saegusa, a young girl with the abilities of ESP that can detect Godzilla, who may not seem like much now, but she has the potential to becoming something greater later. Even the Saradia agent is a badass character despite not knowing a thing about him.

Of course, when you watch a Godzilla movie you want to see the monsters, and they are nothing short of being spectacular here. First off, this is by far one of the best Godzilla suits ever. Godzilla looks mean and nasty in this one. There is nothing at all to complain about this costume as it just screams terrifying. Not to mention the face and all of its motions appear down right incredible. Complimentary to Godzilla’s look are two different costumes to Biollante, one that resembles a flower and one that resembles what would happen if Godzilla and Swamp Thing somehow had a baby together. The flower version of Biollante is pretty stiff, but suits its purpose. The vines add something unique to the mix, but she pretty much just stands there doing nothing. On the other hand, the final version is just down right gorgeous. Like Godzilla, she looks monstrous and like a true threat to Godzilla’s health. There is so much detail in the design from the vined appendages to the amount of teeth found within her mouth. This suit is truly spectacular and is still the best original monster to come out of the Godzilla series after the Showa era. Toho outdid themselves in the effects department in this movie as there is a not a moment where the effects ever seem to take a dip in quality. The whole movie could have been done cheaply just to make Biollante look incredible, and yet, it did not seem like Toho did such a thing. Even the underwater scenes of the movie look good.

Overall, this movie is so well done, paced extremely well with some great characters and unexpected turns that I cannot give this anything lower than a 9/10. The only thing that the movie is missing is the horror of Godzilla being a walking nuclear weapon, but that hardly takes away from this movie. It is not only one of the best Godzilla movies ever, but may even be the best movie of the Heisei series.
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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:29 pm

Kain, curious to see how you feel about the score.

Personally, I like it...maybe I don't quite LOVE it, but I am always taken aback when people say they HATE it...I find it nowhere near as objectionable as certain selections from the GFW score, or the G2K score, or the Hedorah/Megalon scores...

but just interested to hear your thoughts, since this is one of the few Godzilla films where it seems we are in full agreement. I love this movie, and it's probably in my top 3.
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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:56 pm

Dr. Kain and I are in full agreement on something. Somebody call Satan and ask if it just got REALLY cold down there...
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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

Postby Shokara » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:12 pm

Sorry for kind of bringing a thread back from the dead here. I just watched this movie for the first time in a long time, and I must say that the movie doesn't register for me the same way that it used to. Back in the '90s and early 2000's I loved this movie, because it was the first movie to come out since my early childhood after Godzilla: 1985. However, now the movie feels a bit muddled for me.

It felt like writer and director Kazuki Omori wanted to tell this somewhat tender story about the dangers of irresponsible genetic research, kind of like the dangers of tampering with nuclear energy in the original 1954 Godzilla. To me it seemed like Omori was setting the monster Biollante itself up as kind of a tragic Frankenstein like story. Heck, the scene with Biollante's birth under Dr. Shiragami's microscope even comes with a lightening storm in the background. As Dr. Kain pointed out in his plot summary, Dr. Shiragami wanted to preserve the life of his dead daughter Erika by enfusing her genes with those of the rose flowers she was next to when she died. Then when the Erika infused rosebush was in danger of dying Shiragami spliced Godzilla cells to it hoping the cells' regenerative properties would save the Erika-rosebush's life. Instead, it grows up into Biollante. With that set-up you'd think Biollante would go on some kind of rampage showing how misguided and irresponsible Shiragami was in his scientific endeavor, however emotionally driven it may have been.

But, later Godzilla shows up, and almost the whole story shifts over to the military trying to stop Godzilla while playing cat and mouse with various international and corporate agents in order to get their hands on Godzilla cells, and later, the anti-nuclear-energy bacteria. After all the portent set-up with Biollante, she ends up getting pushed aside in story focus and just sits around in a lake waiting for Godzilla to show up. Then she almost arbitrarily shows up again at the climax to fight Godzilla for whatever reason to an inconclusive end when the bacteria in Godzilla's bloodstream takes effect, and then she flies up into space never to be heard from again.

It almost feels like either Kazuki Omori didn't really know what to do with Biollante. Either that or he wanted to feature her more as a giant Frankenstein-like threat but couldn't because there wasn't enough budget to showcase both Godzilla and Biollante equally, forcing him to primarily focus on Godzilla's cross country rampage. In the end for me it felt like the movie's supposed "dangers of genetic research" message really got lost in a script that decided Godzilla's return was more important.
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Re: TALKBACK #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante

Postby Jorzilla » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:46 pm

I've watched this movie countless time. Tonight was the first time I noticed the Oxygen Destroyer in Colonel Gondo's office.

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