Ranking the Heisei Films

[Dr Kain]

Uh definitely true. Hedorah is utter ****. Ebirah is a snoozefest with a terrible Godzilla in it. And Son is just down right stupid.

As I said in the other topic, I don't think we will ever agree on anything related to Godzilla.

[kiryugoji04]

[Dr Kain]

[Goji 84]

1. The Return of Godzilla (& Godzilla 1985)
2. Godzilla vs. Biollante
3. Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah

I honesty can't rank the rest. They're probably all tied. Outside of the Ifukube's score, Godzilla himself, and some of the SFX work, I find them all to be really plodding, and pretty hard to get through these days. I enjoyed them when they were brand new, but they've aged pretty horribly. I can watch them if a friend is curious, or if I just happen to be feeling nostalgic, but even then, I tend to gravitate toward anything else made from '54-'91.

As bizarre as it may sound, I prefer watching VS. MOTHRA dubbed because it's just more entertaining to me that way. The fact that it was the last dub to feature some of the more 'old skool' Hong Kong dubbers kinda helps too.

[H-Man]

[jellydonut25]

[kiryugoji04]

Jelly!

[H-Man]

[Gman2887]

[Goji 84]

While he's perfectly capable of speaking for himself, people should keep in mind that Cody is huge fan of the Showa series. All of it. So there's no personal bias going on on his end. He's just not nearly as harsh on the Heisei movies as a majority of the regular members are here.

As for Kain's comments and apparent disgust for some of the Showa films..why bother even responding any more? It's obvious that he handpicks which comments he replies to, is blind to the more obvious faults of his preferred series, and really doesn't give a s**t what anybody here has to say, about, well, much of anything.

[Legion]

[briizilla]

[Dr Kain]

[Legion]

Kain, I think your better off posting pictures of your action figures in the toy section than trying to engage in film-based discussion. It never leads anywhere good.

And if you're going to slam stuff like Son of Godzilla and Sea Monster in defense of the Heisei movies, you really ought to explain why you feel this way. Especially if you're going to do it here, where a good 90% of the members adore these movies.

[jellydonut25]

[briizilla]

[MekaGojira3k]

[Benjamin Haines]

[briizilla]

[kiryugoji04]

[Gman2887]

[jellydonut25]

I understand that the "all the monsters" thing from GFW is a Destroy All Monsters redux...but the world in ruins part is wholly new to the Godzilla series. It's a post-apocalyptic Godzilla film, DAM never suggests the world as a whole is in ruins, hell the Kilaaks don't even want to destroy earth, not like the Xiliens do.

And if we're gonna call the central conceit of Kiryu a ripoff, then MGII just rips off the earlier MG films too. Oh but wait, there's an IDEA there that's not present in ANY other Godzilla film: Kiryu is a MONSTER, not just a robot, another Godzilla created from the bones of the old one.

THe Millenium films have just as many IDEAS as the Heisei films. The Heisei films get no pass just for having an idea, because none of those ideas are well implemented in the remotest sense.

I mean, you praise Destoroyah for this idea about a monster born of the Oxygen Destroyer, but what about Destoroyah really invokes "Oh, Destroyer...as in OXYGEN DESTROYER...as in the thing from which it was BORN"? I mean, yeah, there's that scene early on where the minis eat through the fish, but then that's just dropped completely and Destoroyah is given a generic "blow stuff up" beam.

[MekaGojira3k]

[Gman2887]

[Hybrid Gojira]

I like both the Heisei and Showa films, except for SpaceGodzilla and Mothra '92. Those two films are heaping piles of garbage, and I might just take Megalon or Revenge over them for being much more fun (stock footage or not). G85-GvsKG are all pretty solid movies, KG more so because I think Godzilla and KG are well done, but the writing is sloppy in KG. MGII is ok, but Rodan is a complete bastardization of his Showa counterpart. Destroyah is not a bad film, but it has some obvious flaws, especially the matte shots and Dessy props.

One thing I do find true is that the Showa series has, overall, much better characters...most of the Heisei characters seem pretty dry. The millennium films? Aside from SOS and GMK, the rest are not great. GXMG is alright. GXM sucks, as does G2K (Orga is lame as a Godzilla villain). GFW feels more like a matrix film than one about Godzilla.

I guess when you have just shy of 30 movies, you would probably expect somewhat of a mixed bag...I feel like all 3 series have good, bad, and even terrible films. For the most part, I enjoy them all.