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Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby DannyBeane » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:52 pm

I think if Toho were to decide to start up an actual series again with actual continuity, I think there is a good chance of us seeing the return of SpaceG, Destroyah and possibly Biollante. Merchandise-wise they've really been pushing the Heisei kaiju. Look at the IDW comics, SHMA figures, video games etc. This makes sense because the people that were children in the 90s/early 2000s are adults with disposable income now and we know the importance of nostalgia in marketing. Me personally, while I prefer the showa kaiju, I wouldn't mind seeing some of the Heisei kaiju make a comeback with updated origins.
So what I am asking is do you think the odds of Heisei kaiju coming back are increasing over the coming years if Toho were to start making a connected continuity series again?
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby Benjamin Haines » Mon Mar 28, 2016 2:43 am

It would be cool. I think if we ever see Biollante, Battra, Spacegodzilla, or Destroyer in a new movie again, their origins would probably be radically altered, changing aspects of the monsters' backgrounds that most fans probably take for granted. If we do see Biollante again, it probably wouldn't be the result of a scientist splicing Godzilla cells with those of a rose. It might not even be depicted as "part Godzilla" at all but just a reptilian plant monster.

I can see Destroyer being presented as a crustacean-like behemoth with no mention of micro-oxygen or any connection to the Oxygen Destroyer. It could even be a singular giant organism that doesn't metamorphose into different forms at all, not an inexplicable combination of a bunch of microscopic creatures.

I don't think we'll ever see Spacegodzilla again. What is Spacegodzilla, anyway? It's a Godzilla clone with big-ass crystals on its shoulders. It barely even qualifies as its own character. I think if there's ever another movie where Godzilla fights a clone of himself, the clone wouldn't be like Spacegodzilla at all.

Battra would probably be the easiest to adapt to a new film series. It's a scary-looking mothlike monster with a destructive streak. A kaiju like that doesn't even require a connection to Mothra, Infant Island, or "the spirit of the Earth" to be done effectively.
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby DannyBeane » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:20 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:It would be cool. I think if we ever see Biollante, Battra, Spacegodzilla, or Destroyer in a new movie again, their origins would probably be radically altered, changing aspects of the monsters' backgrounds that most fans probably take for granted. If we do see Biollante again, it probably wouldn't be the result of a scientist splicing Godzilla cells with those of a rose. It might not even be depicted as "part Godzilla" at all but just a reptilian plant monster.

I can see Destroyer being presented as a crustacean-like behemoth with no mention of micro-oxygen or any connection to the Oxygen Destroyer. It could even be a singular giant organism that doesn't metamorphose into different forms at all, not an inexplicable combination of a bunch of microscopic creatures.

I don't think we'll ever see Spacegodzilla again. What is Spacegodzilla, anyway? It's a Godzilla clone with big-ass crystals on its shoulders. It barely even qualifies as its own character. I think if there's ever another movie where Godzilla fights a clone of himself, the clone wouldn't be like Spacegodzilla at all.

Battra would probably be the easiest to adapt to a new film series. It's a scary-looking mothlike monster with a destructive streak. A kaiju like that doesn't even require a connection to Mothra, Infant Island, or "the spirit of the Earth" to be done effectively.


Hmm oddly enough I think SpaceGodzilla has the best chance of coming back. By looking at the merchandising over the past few years he is everywhere. I see him almost as much as KG, Mothra and MG. He may be a godzilla clone from a crappy movie but for some reason he has a very big following.
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby lhb412 » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:49 pm

I understand that a lot of people especially dig the Heisei series because it has a consistent universe and continuity, but aside from a couple of things I don't think they did much that was interesting with that continuity. If Toho wanted to create another consistant Godzilla film universe I think they'd be better off starting from scratch.
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:34 pm

In terms of likelihood (for the original kaiju, not those recycled) to me it goes:

Battra - We know Mothra will return, so why not her evil twin? We've recently seen at least an interesting concept of there being a pair of evil Shobijin to counterbalance the good ones we've always known.
Biollante - I don't think there's anything about Biollante that NEEDS to be present aside from "Godzilla mixed with a plant." I understand there's more to her due to there also being human DNA from Erica in her, but Godzilla mixed with a plant made by a mad scientist is definitely a concept that could be revisited.
MechaKing Ghidorah - A cybernetic kaiju, perhaps controlled by an evil force this time rather than a good guy/girl. It could be an interesting take, it's been done in other media, and we know there's a high probability of seeing Ghidorah again so, why not the mechanized version?
SpaceGodzilla - In addition to his popularity (which I'll honestly never really understand. As has been said, he's basically just Godzilla with crystal shoulders), I think if we're bringing in outer space kaiju, we could bring in something that would slightly change his background. Rather than actively coming from space, perhaps a space organism comes to Earth and melds with some of Godzilla's DNA or something.
Destoroyah - If you're just creating a giant crustacean and not mentioning the Oxygen Destroyer at all, then to me, it's not really Destoroyah. I don't have any great LOVE or fondness of the character to be super beholden to that idea, but it feels so intrinsically tied to the OD that just a giant crustacean creature with a beam of some kind would feel like a different kaiju to me. And then what possible reason would you have for naming it Destoroyah? It'd be a DINO, honestly.


As for where I'd rate the realistic chances of seeing any of them, pretty low in the immediate future. The American series doesn't seem to want to delve into characters that are as bright and colorful as these (though Biollante could fit into that mold) and the Japanese series we're told at the moment is going to be pretty ominous, and maybe they're not interested in getting quite that silly yet.
I wouldn't hold my breath to see it any time soon, though I think those top 3 could re-appear in a G flick before TOO long.
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby DannyBeane » Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:04 pm

Meh I am just gonna copy my post from TK since I feel it is at least a little relevant. Especially to the people hung up on the Heisei kaiju origins.
If Ghidrah's origin can be changed so that he is a mystical guardian monster then Toho is obviously not hung up about changing a monster's origin. Hell I say let's have Ghidrah and MKG battle it out in the same film! Aliens clone Ghidrah and robotify the clone into something they can control. I'd pay $10 to watch that... and other monsters like Biollante, Destroyah, Space Godzilla etc, who cares about their origins? Switch it up. Make Biollante a mystical guardian monster, destroyah a science experiment gone awry etc. I'm pretty sure Godzilla's origin is the only one that's safe from being changed. Hell MG has gone from space robot to overstylized tank, to zombie armor across 3 series. Kaiju origins don't matter as long as it makes sense for whichever film they are appearing in.
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby Benjamin Haines » Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:06 pm

I think it would be cool to see Mecha King Ghidorah with an organic center head and two robotic heads on the left and right.
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby The Shadow » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:09 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:I don't think we'll ever see Spacegodzilla again. What is Spacegodzilla, anyway? It's a Godzilla clone with big-ass crystals on its shoulders. It barely even qualifies as its own character. I think if there's ever another movie where Godzilla fights a clone of himself, the clone wouldn't be like Spacegodzilla at all.


SpaceGodzilla has always seemed somewhat of a lazy creation to me, as if Toho executives took several half developed ideas and played pin the tail on the kaiju to see what stuck to the clone Godzilla target. If Toho really wants to use SpaceGodzilla again I think he needs to be shown as the creation of alien race intent on conquering the Earth.
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby mbozzo » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:34 pm

While I like the idea of them coming back in a future monster movie, I'm not sure that it's going to happen. Maybe some of them might appear in a solo American made movie, first. :wink:
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby gojiedge » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:25 pm

The Shadow wrote:
Benjamin Haines wrote:I don't think we'll ever see Spacegodzilla again. What is Spacegodzilla, anyway? It's a Godzilla clone with big-ass crystals on its shoulders. It barely even qualifies as its own character. I think if there's ever another movie where Godzilla fights a clone of himself, the clone wouldn't be like Spacegodzilla at all.


SpaceGodzilla has always seemed somewhat of a lazy creation to me, as if Toho executives took several half developed ideas and played pin the tail on the kaiju to see what stuck to the clone Godzilla target. If Toho really wants to use SpaceGodzilla again I think he needs to be shown as the creation of alien race intent on conquering the Earth.


That idea may work. The idea of an alien race creating SpaceGodzilla to defeat Earth's Godzilla in order to ravage the planet.
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:16 pm

That would be the basic premise of the original Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla with Spacegodzilla instead.
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby gojiedge » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:33 pm

But it would be cool.

And yes, thats what happened in the 70s films.
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby klen7 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:52 am

i think SG could be cool if you played up the crystal powers a lot more - basically having him terraforming the earth but also using them to build defenses and attacks. Actually make him a crystalline entity altogether that mimics Godzillas shape (as it sees G as the alpha predator on the planet it is currently conquering) rather than an organic creature with extra spikes
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby gojiedge » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:41 pm

klen7 wrote:i think SG could be cool if you played up the crystal powers a lot more - basically having him terraforming the earth but also using them to build defenses and attacks. Actually make him a crystalline entity altogether that mimics Godzillas shape (as it sees G as the alpha predator on the planet it is currently conquering) rather than an organic creature with extra spikes


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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby lhb412 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:03 pm

With the security of the Godzilla franchise looking pretty positive nowadays I can see pretty much any kaiju or plot element revived, even if it's just to be canon fodder like the beginning of Kingdom of the Monsters.
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby tbeasley » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:36 pm

Yeah after random names like Kamacuras, Dogora, Dagahra and Orga popping up again I don't think anything's off the table.
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Re: Will the Heisei kaiju make a comeback in film?

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:33 am

tbeasley wrote:Yeah after random names like Kamacuras, Dogora, Dagahra and Orga popping up again I don't think anything's off the table.

Saying Dogora Dagahra and Orga popped up is being pretty generous to those little cardboard cutout silhouettes.



Battra is maybe the one (only?) Heisei kaiju I could see popping up again, basically whenever. As the anti-Mothra, and with Mothra an assured part of pretty much any Godzilla series, there's always Battra potential.

I've long advocated a return of Biollante, as it could be done without genetic engineering and Erica's spirit and you could just say some plant mutated due to Godzilla...it doesn't even HAVE to be a rose per se, just something that starts out flowery and then turns into final form Biollante.

Space Godzilla I'd throw on a maybe pile...depending on how wacky you wanna get. I'd love to see Space Godzilla in a more campy kinda thing, where he's a weapon made by aliens a la Showa Mechagodzilla or Heisei Ghidorah.

Destoroyah? You really need to heavily reference the original, I think for Destoroyah, and I think that means he'll always be best left as a one-off.
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