What do the showa films mean to you?

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What do the showa films mean to you?

Postby DannyBeane » Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:31 am

I am what I like to think of as a second generation Godzilla fan. In other words I was born in the 80's after the heyday of the showa series. I am 18 years old and I will be 19 soon, in August. I do not remember when I first started liking Godzilla flicks, in fact all I remeber is that I have always loved the big g. I never knew why when I was little, all I knew was that he was cool. I have asked my dad several times what my first Godzilla movie was and when I watched it and he said it was King Kong vs Godzilla and I was 2 years old at the time so that would place it in 1987. Growing up I remember I would always beg my mom to take me to the video store to check to see if they had any knew Godzilla flicks in even though I knew they never did. They only had four Godzilla movies there, Godzilla 1985, Godzilla vs MechaGodzilla, Godzilla vs Gigan, and Godzilla vs Megalon. They no longer have those videos sadly. I would pester my parents to keep renting them all the time. I have memories of watching Godzilla 1985 on christmas around 1990 and being terrified of it and not having the courage to watch it again until several years later. Since that film was out of the question, the only films I had to watch were the showa films. I remember when TBS use to play Godzilla movies on in the afternoon such as Son of Godzilla and I would pest my dad to record it off the TV. I rember in 1994 when TNT had their first Godzilla bash. I was exstatic because that would be my first time to watch the Godzilla King of the Monsters. back then my family didn't have the internet and there were no uptodate books on Godzilla. The only Godzilla book I knew existed was the old Crestwood Godzilla book. I remember when i discovered it in my elementary school library. Since that was the only Godzilla book I had known of I always had it checked out(for 2 months straight!) Eventually the librarian told me i couldn't check it out anymore because someone else might want to read it and the thought bothered me extremely. At that time I had no idea how many Godzilla movies there were. I only knew that there was a bunch of them so every time i discovered a knew one I was filled with joy. Back then to me it honestly gave me the feelings of a detective solving a crime or an explorer searching for the pieces to find a hidden treasure. It was a very special time for me. Every week like clcockwork on Sunday morning when the newspaper was delivered I would go through the TV guide day by day looking through the TV guide looking for Godzilla and other monster movies. 99/100 times I never found anything. However whenever I did find a Godzilla movie a rush of emotions of happiness would always go through me. I spent the majority of my youth doing this weekly ritual until we got the preview channel on television and my dad started throwing the TV guides away. I remember growing up that there were several showa Godzilla films that I had "heard about" that I was always searching for but always eluded me. They were Godzilla King of The Monsters, Godzilla's Revenge, Destroy All Monsters and Terror of Mechagodzilla. Those movies were the holy grails for me growing up. I remeber when they showed Godzilla's Revenge and Terror of Mechagodzilla on TNT's Monster vision on the same night but they were late at night, so late that my parents wouldn't let me stay up to watch them to my horror. Eventually though I coaxed them into letting me stay up that one night to watch and record them. To make a long story short the showa movies were the only movies I knew of in my childhood. Growing up I thought the spfx were the most realistic ever. As a matter of fact I didn't even know Godzilla was a man in a suit while I was in elementary school, too show how magical these films were for me. To me Godzilla was real and all the exposed strings, empty suits, stock footage etc simply did not exist. I was blind to them growing up> These films are what got me through most of my childhood. I remember the first time I found out about the Heisei series was in 1996 or 97 when I attended middle school and went to a bookstore with my mom and asked her to ask them to do a search for Godzilla books which lead me to the Cerasini Godzilla books along with and unauthorized Godzilla book which I still have. Reading through it though I discovered the entire Heisei series. I had had an idea about the Heisei series but I wasn't sure of their existence. The only info I had on those films were from the trendmasters toys and I thought they were made up creatures. It was a shock to find out that these were in fact real creatures from real movies! Apparently the only way to get these movies that I knew of was through videodaikaiju in the back of the book. The tapes which I now know are boots cost $25 a piece. It reminded me of the anticipation of waiting for the showa series because my parents wouldn't let me get them. I had to wait for christmas and I could only get 2-3 at a time. However while the anticipation of seeing the movies was like in my child hood with the showa the actual stories weren't as exciting because the plots had been ruined for me by the book. So what am I trying to say in this post? The showa Godzilla movies for me were a great time in my life. I am one of the few "newer" fans that had the chance to grow up on the showa films instead of the heisei and millenium films and didn't have them spoiled for me. I see a lot of people complaining about the horrid special effects, poor acting, bad dubbing, and ludicris plots and it pains me to hear people talk about the films I grew up on as if they were garbage. I understand it is their opinion but it still hurt. It kills some of the magic of these films when people state they refuse to watch them or go out of their way to see them because they don't like older flicks. Now that I am a young adult and I can now see the occasional strings or other bad effects shot and bad dubbing etc it hasn't diminshed my respect for these films instead it has increased it. I mean you have to look at what studios had to work with for special effects during that time. It is amazing to realize the ingenuity Eiji Tsuburaya had to have to do that stuff. I mean look at the American films at the time and the japanese films blew them away in my opinion. The 70's films also impressed me even more because I now know their budgets were extremely low and Japan was going through a horrible recession at the time so no one had money and it was the best they could do and hearing stories like that about these films make them more special for me. These films made me and many other people the Godzilla fans we are today and they mean the world to us. What do they mean to you?
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Postby Tiny Gigan » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:22 am

I remember when I was a kid it was a big event for me to catch a Godzilla movie on television, including the Saturday afternoon Godzilla matinee one of the cable stations used to run that always had pro-wrestling style promos before each movie. I got a copy of "Godzilla vs. Megalon" for Christmas one year and basically wore the tape out in the intervening years. To this day I still can't "see the zipper". The only Godzilla movie I didn't like when I was a kid was "Godzilla's Revenge", mostly, I suspect because of the little hot-pants Japanese kid that's in so much of the movie.
The library at school used to have all these hideously inaccurate books on Godzilla and the other Toho monsters, including one that described Varan as a giant bat. When I was younger it was my quest to see all of the Godzilla movies, which seemed like a nearly impossible challenge. I didn't see the complete Showa Series until I was in college and one of my buddies found me a copy of "Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster".
Long story short, I grew up on the Showa movies. I can look past some of the lame effects and crappy dubbing because they're just plain fun, and frankly they were burdened with less cumbersome, plodding human plots than most of the recent films.
I think some people think of the Showa era the same way they think of the Adam West "Batman": It's something that happened and is technically official, but it's better left on the shelf or even swept under the rug. To me though, the Showa era is what made me a fan of Godzilla and in a lot of ways is the beating heart of the series.
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Postby Xenorama » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:54 am

When I saw KING KONG VS GODZILLA in the theater, I had no idea what I was about to see. Suddenly there were two giant monsters fighting, one that resembled a dinosaur (two, if you listen to the US Scientists! :lol: ). I was about 7, I think, and then I watched any and every movie that said Godzilla- the next two I saw on tv were GODZILLA'S REVENGE and GODZILLA VS THE SMOG MONSTER.
One of the greatest things was seeing NEW monsters- I didn't know about the Famous Monster magazine at the time (I was about ten when I bought my first one, #125 with kino on the cover) so each time I usually saw at least one new monster. Nowadays, people can't go five minutes without wanting to see a new monster. There were times I waited YEARS! :lol:
And there was no way you knew if you'd see the movie again, so you paid careful attention to it, not leaving at all, even for the commercials. It was traumatic if your alarm clock, set for 3 AM didn't go off and you missed part or all of the movie, let me tell you!
After the movies started disappearing from the airwaves, about the early 80s- you'd see them occasionally, but nearly like the 70s- and no new movies were being made- Godzilla or Gamera- you'd wonder what happened, but didn't know who to ask.
Then VHS started happening, and the Godzilla movies slowly became available, or you could trade for the ones that weren't out, and other hard to find movies like Yongary or The Magic Serpent. VHS (and now DVD) are wonderful, but there sure was something special waiting and looking and being so happy to see a Japanese monster movie in the tv guide.
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Postby planetxleader » Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:12 am

I, too grew up with the Showa series. For as long as I can remember, I've always watched Godzilla movies, and I really don't know what my first movie was. Most of the movies I saw were shown on "Super Scary Saturday," hosted by Grandpa Munster.

One of the Showa films that remains in my memory is Godzilla's Revenge. I don't remember seeing a lot of it when I was little (I was about three or four at the time - I'm 20 now), but I certainly remember anticipating it for days. I'd usually go to sleep with a little 5 inch black and white TV, and I remember seeing commercials for Godzilla's Revenge and getting real excited. I also remember Grandpa Munster hyping up Godzilla and Gabara's big fight, with little animated versions of the two monsters wearing boxing gloves.

I also remember anticipating Godzilla vs. Monster Zero (this was still when I was around three or four years old). I remember my parents spotting it in the TV guide, and I kept wondering what Monster Zero was. I have no memory of first seeing the movie though, so I can't remember if I was dissapointed or not that Monster Zero was really King Ghidorah.

I remember bits and pieces of seeing Godzilla vs. Gigan, particularly scenes of Ghidorah flying around and Godzilla and Gigan tearing apart that odd-looking building. I also remember seeing King Kong vs. Godzilla at one of my sister's friend's house, and I really don't remember if it was on TV or if it was a tape.

Godzilla 1985 (technically a Showa film) sticks out in my mind as well, particularly because I remember sobbing when Godzilla plummeted into the volcano with that awful scream (a scream that brought to my mind, at the time, witches, of all things). I remember hating all the human characters for killing Godzilla. I also remember noticing the better special effects, and for a time assumed that G85 was an American production.

Anybody remember Ian Thorne's Godzilla book? I remember clearly borrowing it from my school's library on a couple of occasions (there was also a King Kong book by the same author). After I while I got smart and I photocopied some pages of it. If anybody wants to see some of them, I can scan them and put them on the Net.

I can kind of see why some "newbies" to the genre can't appreciate the Showa films, because they didn't grow up with them and they don't have the nostalgia appeal that they have for us. When DAM came out on video in the late '90s, I excitedly bought it and brought it home, and was very dissapointed at first. Partly, I think, because it was not the all-out monster rumble I was expecting (I was looking forward to seeing more of Baragon and Varan), but also partly because it was a Showa film I did not grow up with (although I do have some deja-vu at some points in the film that suggests that I did see it as a kid, and just don't remember it). At that time (around '98, '99) I didn't really have an appreciation of the Showa films that I now have. I used to just watch the monster scenes, and didn't really watch the whole films in their entirety. At that time I was watcing more of the Heisei series (which I had just been introduced to the previous year, thanks to Barry's Temple of Godzilla) and the American Godzilla, so that could be a reason why I had troulbe appreciating the more traditional DAM.

Even if you are a newcomer to the genre and are watching and enjoying mainly the Heisei and Millenium films, I think it is important to see and appreciate the Showa films. They are good movies (ok, the '60s ones are) and were made with a different focus than the new ones are (Now it's all about Godzilla, but back then kaiju were everywhere). Plus, it's where Godzilla started out. It's a shame to just ignore the Showa era.
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Postby angilas » Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:25 pm

I really love the showa films.
I've been seeing the Godzilla films since before I can remember (My parents say I was first shown KKvG at 10 months old) And I'm sure I was a fan by 2 because I can remember some of the arguments I'd have with my brother over what Minya's roar sounded like, or where the films were made (lol..the dubbing on some of these older films were so good you couldnt tell they weren't speaking english in the original at all).
I made it my business to get every Godzilla film I saw and to find all of them around. I managed to get ahold of alot that are considered rare now too like Gvs The Smog Monster, and GRA too, with some ease. Yet KoTM, Mothra vs G, GvsMonster Zero, GvsGigan, and Terror of MG were the five that I knew about that continually eluded me in the store, I had seen them all in rental form before though, and taped them off of tv in the past (I was lucky enough to find a GvsGigan showing at 3 am in the preview guide once..and the rest were on TNT's Monster Fest in 1992). Ironically enough those are some of the 5 I hold in highest esteem with regards to the showa series now of days. Perhaps because I was so desperate to aquire them in their coolest box art (though it seems the boxes I finally got them in werent as cool as their rental boxes were to me...man what I wouldnt give to have the white box for ToMG, or the dark ones for GvG, and GvMZ, The one with the in movie scene of Godzilla getting chased behind some trees of GvsMothra, and there was a really cool one I wanted for the original that I saw in rental stores that I cant remember now...I wonder if any of these rentals places would sell me just the covers...)
And for as long as I could remember I also owned G85 which is considered part of the hesei series because of it's timeline despite the fact it was released during the showa period. I also had Rodan and Mothra for a long time. The only one I didn't know about was Destroy all Monsters. I wouldnt find out about that one and bag it until I was like 8 or 9 in 1994 and read about the complete series online at Mark Meloons site. Despite GvB being out in the US at that time I didnt know about it, and saw it was on hbo once in the past, and asked my dad to order it so I could see it...but he got the name confused with Godzilla vs the Bionic Monster and told me I owned it already and it was just GvMG. I always wondered how big the Godzilla series was and how many of these films I was missing. Before I got the net in 94 I counted 15 films, and really wished they were still making them (showa - DaM, + 85)
Anyway I really just loved these films, and still do, part of its nostalgia, but I really enjoy watching all of the films in this series. I even remember doing something as stupid as bringing in a taped Godzilla vs Megalon for show and tell in preschool despite the fact we couldnt watch it, and the teacher thought it was a joke.
To me there's almost a mystic feeling to the strange continuity of the showa series. There were so many kaiju with so much personallity it just turned out being alot of fun. While I don't dislike the seriousness of the Hesei series by any means when it's executed well, I like how some of the millineum series has tried to get back to some of this fun. I can't tell you how much I was looking forward to watching GxM in my living room with just the light from outside coming in like the nostalgic old times when Id catch new showa Godzilla flicks in the same setting on the Saturday Movie Matinee. And I'm especially looking forward to alot of these guys coming back in GFW.

If the hesei series is the modern day cannon for Godzilla, the millenium series the fun different take on Godzilla, The showa series to me is like the mystic lore of Godzilla that I feel all fans should see completely.
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Postby kent » Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:59 pm

The Showa years are simple to define: The Golden Years of Godzilla.
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Postby buddah11674 » Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:33 am

I grew up on Godzilla, Gamera, and all the old sci fi and horror flicks of the fifties and sixties. When I was young, my dad would let me stay up very late on Saturdays so that we could watch Chilly Billy's Chiller Theater out of Pittsburgh on WPXI. If you ever watch "Night of the Living Dead", the reporter Bill Cardill and Chilly Billy are one and the same. My dad adored those films, especially the Godzilla and Gamera. He would sit in his chair and I would sit on the floor and we would watch these flicks until two in the morning. I will always treasure those moments. Dad passed away from emphysema and asthmatic bronchitis in 1991. After he died I was lost emotionally for years. Then I rediscovered all those old films in 1998. They made me feel fantastic, like I was a little kid and Dad was still around. Everytime I start to miss him, I pop a movie like Godzilla vs The Thing or Gamera vs Monster X in the VCR, sit down on the floor, and it's like he's right there with me.
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Postby planetxman » Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:25 am

In short, the Showa films mean everything to me. You've all heard similar stories. A Little kid scouring thru the TV guide hoping to find a Monster movie, mostly G Flicks.
On the weekends we had ' Chiller Theatre ' at night and 'Creature Feature' during the day. We also had Sunday movies that were shown at a certain time, and often they would show Monster movies.
I can remember being as young as age 4 or even younger. I would watch KK vs Godzilla, G's Revenge and all the other films available at that time. To this day, I can still remember watching certain films for the first time. I remember being about 6 and watching KK Escapes over my Grandma's house.
Memories.
When the 70's films started coming out, it was like they were brand new to me. I can still remember the first time I saw Smog Monster and even at a young age sensing a different tone. When Megalon was shown on TV for the very first time, it was an event. All the kids in school were talking about it.
By the time I saw Terror of Mecha G, I was getting a little older. And by that time, I knew that the newer G films had a totally different feel and I did not like the way Godzilla looked as much. This new tone was radically different from that of the films I grew up with like Ghidora 64 and Godzilla vs. The Thing. Much different feel.
That's why it is hard for me to feel that same way about the 70's films as I did the 60's films. Some of the movies that came out in the 70's are my least favorite. YET, some of the younger guys, grew up with the 70's films and have an entirely different perspective. They grew up to the goofy, slapstick, comical, Puppy Godzilla who was like a superhero.

I sense now that there is this newer generation. The are new to the fandom and have not even seen some of the older films like GRA and Ghidora and know only what is available on DVD. Some of these younger fans have no respect for the history of Godzilla's evolution and discount the older, classic G Films, simply praising the Millenium series and/or The Heiseii series.
Hey, I like them all. I do however consider the films of the 60's much better. Think about this..

War of The Gargantuas
Destroy All Monsters
King Kong Escapes
Frankenstein Conquers the World
Son of Godzilla
Monster Zero
Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster

These films were all made in about a 3 year span.

Godzilla vs Mothra and Ghidora the 3 Headed Monster were made the SAME year !!

Is that not impressive ? Now, Toho's movies all seem to have a rushed feel to them. Do you think that they could put out 2 quailty Kaiju flicks in one year in this era ?
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Postby Xenorama » Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:09 am

Well, GODZILLA VS THE THING was released April 29, 1964 and GHIDRAH was released December 20, 1964. I think it's probably safe to say that some of GODZILLA VS THE THING was shot in '63, so making those two films in one year is not quite accurate.
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Postby planetxman » Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:21 pm

Megaloman wrote:Well, GODZILLA VS THE THING was released April 29, 1964 and GHIDRAH was released December 20, 1964. I think it's probably safe to say that some of GODZILLA VS THE THING was shot in '63, so making those two films in one year is not quite accurate.


I really think you are nitpicking at my thread. The point I was trying to make was that in the Golden Era, Toho put out a large # of QUALITY films in a short period of time.
Ed G. is a Kaiju Historian. His G book is possibly the best written American G book we will EVER see. In another threa where a number of people were BASHING GODZILLA VS. MOTHRA 1964, Ed posted this..
I think it is the peak of Godzilla design, but everyone has their own take on that. No right or wrong. What I do find odd is that you like the suit in Ghidrah, considering that this is the identical suit without modification, just used 6 months later and with the rubber on the face deforming a bit.

Ed mentioned a shooting schedule within 6 months
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Postby Xenorama » Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:29 pm

I knew I should have put a disclaimer there- no offense meant, Greg. Still means shooting commenced in 63 (so I'm right! Gotta take my wins when I can! :lol: ).
I agree with your post though, completely. Except I love the 70s films (well, Gigan is pretty low on the list of faves) as well, what with being 8-15 when I saw most of them.
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Postby planetxman » Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:59 pm

Megaloman wrote:I knew I should have put a disclaimer there- no offense meant, Greg. Still means shooting commenced in 63 (so I'm right! Gotta take my wins when I can! :lol: ).
I agree with your post though, completely. Except I love the 70s films (well, Gigan is pretty low on the list of faves) as well, what with being 8-15 when I saw most of them.
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BTW, GRA was like a lost film for a very long time. I saw photos of this film in various mags or books. I can remember being shocked to learn that Godzilla once fought Angilas. GRA surfaced again on TV when I was in my late teens or 20's. I bought the video when it first came out and raced home to watch it !!
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Postby Xenorama » Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:18 pm

Gigantis was the last Godzilla film I saw on tv- it was a big deal to finally see it. I think USA or some cable channel had a Godzilla Marathon in 83 or so, and that was the first time I saw it. Of course, we knew a little about the movie, but still thought the animated dinosaurs were from Tsuburaya himself. Then about 3-4 years later, there it is on VHS, called "Godzilla Raids Again" but the Gigantis title still came up.
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Postby megalon » Mon Jul 05, 2004 1:16 pm

As with many others the Showa films were the G films I grew up with. The first time I saw a G film was when I sneaked downstairs as a kid and watched Godzilla Vs The Smog Monster really late-it was in a series of so-called 'bad' films,but I had read about godzilla films and couldn't wait to see this one. I was not disappointed,despite it being undoubtably a bizarre film. A few years later I encountered KK Vs G in a video shop,than G 85-the only Heisei film that had been made then! Soon after that UK TV showed 7 or 8 Godzilla films,and they were ones made between 1965 and 1976,so you could say that I grew up with the more 'juvenile' Godzilla films [well,except G 85,which never really impressed me].Of course eventually I managed to see,usually on pirate video,all the others,but I will always have a soft spot for the goofy,childish fun of the later Showa films,and will always get a kick out of seeing Godzilla as the Earth's defender. Yes,Godzilla Vs Gigan is a shoddy film compared to,say,Godzilla 54,but i know which one I would usually rather stick inthe video player after a hard day at work.
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Postby The Punisher » Mon Jul 05, 2004 1:49 pm

I remember watching Monster Zero one Saturday morning. I was geeked up because I liked Dinosaurs a lot then and to see Godzilla was great fun for me. I then watched Godzilla vs. The Thing and liked it a lot(Except for the twins :x ) Soon I had seen almost all of them. Hedorah scared me, Ghidorah was my favorite monster, I thought Mechagodzilla was going to destroy Godzilla, it goes on and on. They where great fun then and the Showa Films still are today.
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Postby william newell » Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:10 pm

The first Godzilla movie I saw in the theater( and I mean a real theatre, complete with balcony, art decco lobby all done in red velvet, and REAL buttered popcorn) was Godzilla's Revenge after hearing comments from other kids in grade school about how Godzilla movies always had lots of destruction. Needless to say, I was a little confused and dissappointed, but hey, it still had some very cool Dino-looking monsters so I continued to see every G movie I could. Then, one weekday, a local theatre, who would run double and triple features for kids, had DAM and FCTW on a double bill. Now this was what I had been waiting for!(Although I still wouldn't see the version of Godzilla I'd always wanted to see until GMK) These movies were such a blast! Completely unlike anything I had ever seen before. And one other thing I wish to comment on was how bizzare and creepy the music seemed at the time, really different. Anyway, Smog Monster was next at the theatre( on a double bill with Frogs, a good creepy Nature's revenge flick) and from that point on, I was hooked. I've seen every Godzilla movie released since, but nothing can compare to seeing those Showa's for the first time. There was such an innocence to them, imo, that was a welcome relief from the real world at the time. Anyway, those are my thoughts on some of the best times I had as a kid, which is why I love these movies so.
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Postby kent » Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:51 pm

The Showa Series, to me, is The Golden Age of Godzilla. Although while most of the latter Showa films were goofy, they were fun and set the stage for Godzilla movies to come.
I became a Godzilla fan at age 8 in late 1992. First Godzilla film I saw was Godzilla Vs. The Sea Monster and my first Heisei film was Godzilla 1985 in 1994. Otherwise, I grew up mostly with the Showa films and then in 1996, I obtained Godzilla Vs. Biollante and then over the years obtained other great Godzilla films.
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Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:57 pm

The Showa films represent good times, a buncha good movies and one really bad one =/ and an era where there was a new monster menace each time around. I fondly remember Godzilla, Gamera, Mothra, the Shobijin, Minya, Gigan, King Ghidorah, MechaGodzilla, Rodan, the Gargantuas, and much more. I remember watching them on Sushi Cinema down here in Miami in the late 80s early 90s on WBFS every saturday morning. usually at 9 or 10. (Before they became a UPN Station) Not just Godzilla movies but other movies as well like the Mysterians Varan, Frankenstien Conquers the World, Return of the Giant Monsters, and I remember great times with my cousins from the Philipines showing me episodes of Bioman and Ultraman! I know the Showa series gets a lot of flak nowadays, but all it does is make me sing Biomic Soldier =D. I think there is no other series that brings out Godzilla's character/emotions/expressions except the Millenium series.

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Postby The Reverend Tegoth » Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:29 am

While I enjoy the Heisei and Millenium films, it's the Showa series that really defines Godzilla for me, and it's the Showa series that contains most of my favorite Godzilla films.
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Postby sharptooth666 » Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:09 am

There was so many great things to watch when i was a kid, movie theatres near my home in the chicagoland area were always showin' some type of monster movies. and i went to the drive in alot as a kid. one theatre "the York" used to have matinees with 3 films back to back to back. some times it was "Sinbad" movies sometimes it was Godzilla. but every saturday afternoon i'd be there. the one thing i'll never forget as a kid growin up in the seventies is watchin Godzilla and Gamera movies on channel 66. when i saw G fight the Smog Monster for the first time i think i short circuited my brain. and who could forget seein that giant moth attacking our friend Godzilla in Godzilla vs.the Thing? the Showa series to me represents what bein a kid was all about. havin fun, laughing, running, fighting, playing. sometimes it was hard to tell if G and the boys( mealon, gigan, KG, jet jaguar, KK,KC) were fighting to the death or just havin an afternoon romp on a saturday.couple that grand style of fun with running home from school mon.-fri. to watch Spectre-man and Ultra-man and those are the memories that keep me comin' back to Godzilla and other kaiju movies. and superheroes.(by thre way Fuka-Fighter will be at G fest.) but the way Godzilla began to change, made monster fights seem more serious and ADULT. that is why i have such negative things to say about thhe "gay sei" series. there's no parts in those films that remind me of the fun Godzilla was when he was in hi twenties.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:10 am

The showa films introduced me to godzilla. Simple. How I was introduced is still a bit of a mystery to me. I can't really remember how old I was, though I have been told I was two. Probably 3 or 4 in reality, but on with my rant. It was by a strange series of events that I got to see my first godzilla film. My parents had been in a bit of a fight and my father was taking her to dinner to smooth things over. Anyway, my grandmother was to take care of me, but I refused to go to her house...so she stayed with me at my parents house. I got bored as the night went on and started flipping to channels other than Disney or Nickelodeon and saw my first godzilla film. It was TNT's Monster vision and they showed quite a few that night. I watched some of Godzilla, King of the Monsters, all of Mothra v.s. Godzilla and all of Monster Zero. I fell asleep after that. I loved it and I had to find more. A few weeks later I came across a VHS copy of Godzilla, King of the Monsters which I still own and I watched it an ungodly amount of times. I began to look for any information I could find on godzilla, because to my knowledge only those three films existed. I found a book that ALLOSAURZ mentioned, the crestwood book. I ended up stealing it from our library. =) Anyway, the thing that I loved about first finding the showa films is that I had so little information about them. It was a grand mystery to me and I had to pick bits of informaton from any sources I could find. My collection of showa films was finally completed in the summer of 1999 when I recieved my VHS copy of Destroy All Monsters. It was a lot of fun trying to find all those films and it was a lot of fun watching them over and over and over again. When I got to see the hesei films there wasn't any mystery. I bought Godzilla v.s. Biollante one year and Godzilla 1984 the next, and when I found out there was another series I had to wait a few years but in 98' I finished the collection just like that. There was a sense of mystery to the Showa Films and I'll never forget how happy I felt when I found one of these. That's what the showa films mean to me.
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Postby anguirus23 » Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:25 pm

but the way Godzilla began to change, made monster fights seem more serious and ADULT. that is why i have such negative things to say about thhe "gay sei" series


Just the fact that you use the term "gay sei" alone tells me that anything "adult" is not for you. Oh, well.

I think it is pretty rare that someone would not be introduced to Godzilla through the Showa series. I can only think of one person I know off the top of my head that wasn't. The worth of the Showa series isn't even in question, it made Godzilla.

The worth of parts of the Showa series, however, can and should be debatable. But who doesn't appreciate the early greats of the '50s and '60s?
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Postby CyHunter » Tue Jul 06, 2004 6:41 pm

To me, the Showa series was a collection of films that, like any other, had highs and lows, and was historically important to our modern-day kaiju films.

Most of all, though, it's an excuse for fans with a superiority complex to bash on "newbs" over the 'net. :wink:


psst...that was a joke!
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Postby planetxman » Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:57 pm

CyHunter wrote: Most of all, though, it's an excuse for fans with a superiority complex to bash on "newbs" over the 'net. :wink:


psst...that was a joke!


If someone came out and BASHED The Godfather 1 and 2 , and Goodfellas and praised films such as Knockaround Guys, Married to the Mob and MAFIA, I would react the same way.
I am defending the films that MOST fans, MOST experts would say are the superior films. ALL other films many times took their ideas and used similar concepts.
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Postby briizilla » Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:59 pm

anguirus23 wrote:
but the way Godzilla began to change, made monster fights seem more serious and ADULT. that is why i have such negative things to say about thhe "gay sei" series


Just the fact that you use the term "gay sei" alone tells me that anything "adult" is not for you. Oh, well.

I think it is pretty rare that someone would not be introduced to Godzilla through the Showa series. I can only think of one person I know off the top of my head that wasn't. The worth of the Showa series isn't even in question, it made Godzilla.

The worth of parts of the Showa series, however, can and should be debatable. But who doesn't appreciate the early greats of the '50s and '60s?


I agree...."gay sei" is a pretty dumbass thing to say.
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