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Cherenkov Light

Postby lhb412 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:44 am

Remember that line in KK vs. Godzilla where the scientist says the light imminating from Godzilla looks like Cherenkov Light? "It's a light generated in nuclear reactors."

For the first time in my life I looked it up (on wikipedia) and it really does add a cool little scientific accuracy to why Godzilla's ray and lit up dorsal fins are blue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_light

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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:50 am

funny thing is, today you can go and look that up on wikipedia and add it into a script and nobody would think twice of it (you might even get called out if you don't do something like that for scientific accuracy)

in 1964...people probably thought it was made up and the filmmakers probably had to do a LOT of research to come up with a line that is not much more than a fun factoid and isn't exactly integral to the plot.


kinda amusing to think about it like that.


neato fact, though.
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Postby Tyler E. Martin » Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:32 pm

jelly: 1962, not 1964. :P

lhb: That's really cool! I never gave that line much thought, but it's neat to know that it was based in fact and not just made up. As far out as these movies tend to be, the occasional grain of actual science helps to give them a little tidbit of "real world" credibility without downplaying the more fantastic elements.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:03 pm

Holy crap. That's cool. I've never really thought of looking that up, in fact, I doubt I could have properly spelled the word in order to find the info. That's cool.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:27 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote: I doubt I could have properly spelled the word in order to find the info
yeah, i never knew the exact words he was saying there, but i woulda sworn there was an L in the word "Cherenkov" :lol:
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Postby Kaiju Nexus » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:29 pm

Very cool. Especially like that it can be associated with Godzilla's ray and dorsal glow!

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Postby walshiam » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:34 pm

I always resented changing G's fire color to red because of this very reason.
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Postby metal_bryan » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:44 pm

Oh wow, I had no idea that this was a real :lol: That's cool!
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Postby ryuuseipro » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:10 pm

metal_bryan wrote:Oh wow, I had no idea that this was a real :lol: That's cool!


I figured it was real. And I looked it up a couple of years ago! Only they pronounced it "Chelenkov," rather than "Cherenkov."
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Postby lhb412 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:22 pm

^Well that's the actors (or the dubbers) fault!

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Postby Tyler E. Martin » Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:56 am

lhb412 wrote:^Well that's the actors (or the dubbers) fault!

:wink:


It's possible that it had originally been rendered in Japanese in the script, and it was transliterated with an "l" instead of an "r" for the English dialogue that Harold Conway and the other English-speaking actors were given. I'm positive that it's Conway's real voice we're hearing in the film, so that might be the case.
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Postby Hybrid Gojira » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:57 am

That is a pretty sweet find. I'm surprised I've never seen this posted before. Aside from the scene in KKvsG, has Toho ever mentioned the cherenkov being the inspiration for the blue ray?
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Postby ryuuseipro » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:24 am

Tyler E. Martin wrote:
lhb412 wrote:^Well that's the actors (or the dubbers) fault!

:wink:


It's possible that it had originally been rendered in Japanese in the script, and it was transliterated with an "l" instead of an "r" for the English dialogue that Harold Conway and the other English-speaking actors were given. I'm positive that it's Conway's real voice we're hearing in the film, so that might be the case.


It's his real voice in the Japanese version. The American characters were dubbed over in the US release.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:27 am

yeah, and the decision to dub over the sea captain's voice was, imho a good one...in the japanese version the guy sounds about as authoritative as a 13 year-old going through puberty
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Postby The Giant Pacific Octopus » Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:41 am

ryuuseipro wrote:
metal_bryan wrote:Oh wow, I had no idea that this was a real :lol: That's cool!


I figured it was real. And I looked it up a couple of years ago! Only they pronounced it "Chelenkov," rather than "Cherenkov."


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Postby Tyler E. Martin » Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:58 am

ryuuseipro wrote:It's his real voice in the Japanese version. The American characters were dubbed over in the US release.


Right, that's what I meant. I couldn't speak for the American version since I haven't watched it in ages and don't plan to anytime soon, but it appears the error was in fact carried over to the dub.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:27 pm

walshiam wrote:I always resented changing G's fire color to red because of this very reason.


Ha, that's awesome...I never thought of that but it's true...I never really liked the red fire either with the exception of in Godzilla vs. Destroyer where it makes a little bit of sense...though it might have been cool if instead of Meltdown Godzilla having a red color scheme, he had an errie blue one... :shock:
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Postby Kaiju Nexus » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:38 pm

king_ghidorah wrote:
walshiam wrote:I always resented changing G's fire color to red because of this very reason.


though it might have been cool if instead of Meltdown Godzilla having a red color scheme, he had an errie blue one... :shock:


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Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:49 pm

somebody give him a blanket, i think that's frostbite setting in!!!
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:25 pm

king_ghidorah wrote:
walshiam wrote:I always resented changing G's fire color to red because of this very reason.


Ha, that's awesome...I never thought of that but it's true...I never really liked the red fire either with the exception of in Godzilla vs. Destroyer where it makes a little bit of sense...though it might have been cool if instead of Meltdown Godzilla having a red color scheme, he had an errie blue one... :shock:


Yeah but I remember seeing video footage of the melted-down reactor at Chernobyl and that was a pretty hellish orange. I think meltdown Godzilla reflects that pretty well.

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Postby QBASS » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:46 pm

guys...up until 10 seconds ago I thought that scientist said "It looks like a Chunk Of Light" And the captain "A chunk of light?". unbelievable. after all these years. :oops:
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Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:31 pm

QBASS wrote:guys...up until 10 seconds ago I thought that scientist said "It looks like a Chunk Of Light" And the captain "A chunk of light?". unbelievable. after all these years. :oops:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

legit. I burst out laughing in my office. :lol:
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Postby Tyler E. Martin » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:04 pm

QBASS wrote:guys...up until 10 seconds ago I thought that scientist said "It looks like a Chunk Of Light" And the captain "A chunk of light?". unbelievable. after all these years. :oops:


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Re: Cherenkov Light

Postby Bluejira » Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:18 pm

Was watching KK vs. G today. Looked up Cherenkov light just to see if they had the term right.
Glad to see Toho did research on the actual science of Godzilla.
Another thing I noticed was Fujita's wire thread. The very next year saw the production of
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Re: Cherenkov Light

Postby ILL GREEN » Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:54 pm

You have to remember that Toho's directors were once military soliders before film, so they know what weapons do what and strategies of infiltration. I'm sure after the A-bomb, soldiers were heavily educated on nuclear physics and warfare. Also real world science makes a science fiction believable.
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