TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:05 am

Yeah it SHOULD be more the mind-control thing that gets people up-in-arms...but apparently, just claiming there's a dinosaur is enough to cause angry mobs.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby davezilla » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:59 pm

I just watched the original Japanese version again tonight and this still remains one of my favorite Godzilla films. I can't help it but all the 70s G movies hold a special place in my heart. I love Titanosaurus. He remains one of my top 5 kaiju. The one thing I noticed still watching this movie is that even in the Japanese version the editing seems really bad (especially in the fight scenes). One minute Godzilla is charging Mechagodzilla and tossing Titanosaurus aside and literally the next shot shows Titanosaurus kicking Godzilla in the head and setting him up to be blasted by MG. Am I missing something here? I wonder if there is still deleted fight footage.

Am I the only one who feels bad for Titanosaurus at the end?
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Jorzilla » Mon May 05, 2014 2:00 pm

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but was it intentional to make Titanosaurus parallel the original Godzilla?

Both monsters are initially mysterious, attacking a boat (or submarine). They are initially contentious in the scientific community. They have scientists that have a vested interest in them (Yamane, vs. Mafune). They attack Tokyo. They are aquatic, misunderstood, etc.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby XvGojira » Mon May 05, 2014 8:19 pm

Jorzilla wrote:I don't know if this has been mentioned, but was it intentional to make Titanosaurus parallel the original Godzilla?

Both monsters are initially mysterious, attacking a boat (or submarine). They are initially contentious in the scientific community. They have scientists that have a vested interest in them (Yamane, vs. Mafune). They attack Tokyo. They are aquatic, misunderstood, etc.


But with the switch up of Titanosaurus beeing gental by nature which might be because, and correct me if I'm wrong, he's just a gaint dinosaur with no radioactive origin.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue May 06, 2014 8:36 am

I would say (based on nothing really) that any parallels between Titanosaurus and Godzilla are coincidental
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Tue May 06, 2014 10:39 am

jellydonut25 wrote:I would say (based on nothing really) that any parallels between Titanosaurus and Godzilla are coincidental


^ I never saw any intentional parallels between the two monsters.

And this movie rocks. It's probably my favorite Showa movie.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Rodanex » Wed May 07, 2014 10:14 am

I just re-watched this movie last week....still one of my favorites.

I might have mentioned this before, but the scene where they show the aliens saving Katsura's life has always confused me. They flashback to years earlier when Katsura is accidentally electrocuted during a lab accident. Then the Black Hole aliens immediately enter the room, already dressed in surgical garb, and take her away. Mifune says "Who are you?", so he clearly has not met them before.

Were the aliens just hanging outside their door, waiting for the off chance that Katsura got electrocuted so they could save her? Did they cause the accident, knowing that if they saved his daughter, they could enlist Mifune's help? Is that why they were so quick to get there?

The only interpretation of the scene that makes sense to me, is that the flashback is intentionally surreal. It's not literally how things happened, it's just the way Katsura is remembering it. Maybe in real life, Katsura was severely injured and taken to hospital, where she lay comatose for days/weeks. The aliens learned of what happened and decided to intervene. From Katsura's perspective, all she remembers is blacking out and then waking up surrounded by the black hole aliens.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby klen7 » Wed May 07, 2014 11:40 am

i've been meaning to rewatch this, but I am really hoping its one of the Pickwick films at G-Fest this year, and i'd rather go into that screening a bit fresh.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Gojilove » Wed May 07, 2014 12:02 pm

klen7 wrote:i've been meaning to rewatch this, but I am really hoping its one of the Pickwick films at G-Fest this year, and i'd rather go into that screening a bit fresh.


Id say the odds are in our favor to have a G-Fest screening of this. Which fills me with joy.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby kiryugoji04 » Mon May 12, 2014 6:10 pm

We rewatched this last night as part of Inui Takumi's continuing education. I don't think it'll ever be one of my absolute favorites but I will say that it grows on me more and more with each and every viewing. The miniature city sets are especially nice here.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Russzilla » Wed May 14, 2014 3:24 pm

^I especially love the set scenes where Mechagodzilla is blowing Tokyo to pieces. Very well done.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby tbeasley » Sun May 25, 2014 1:35 pm

This movie's grungy, mid 70s feel has really grown on me the last few time I've watched it. Honda's melancholy tone really sums up his style in comparison to Fukuda's jazzy, energetic vibe in the previous movie. They're perfect companion pieces in a way and I'm finding it hard to prefer one over the other, it really depends on what mood I'm in.

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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Giganfan » Sun May 25, 2014 6:12 pm

tbeasley wrote:This movie's grungy, mid 70s feel has really grown on me the last few time I've watched it. Honda's melancholy tone really sums up his style in comparison to Fukuda's jazzy, energetic vibe in the previous movie. They're perfect companion pieces in a way and I'm finding it hard to prefer one over the other, it really depends on what mood I'm in.

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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Shanai » Tue May 27, 2014 9:57 pm

Rodanex wrote:The only interpretation of the scene that makes sense to me, is that the flashback is intentionally surreal. It's not literally how things happened, it's just the way Katsura is remembering it. Maybe in real life, Katsura was severely injured and taken to hospital, where she lay comatose for days/weeks. The aliens learned of what happened and decided to intervene. From Katsura's perspective, all she remembers is blacking out and then waking up surrounded by the black hole aliens.

That's a rather amusing interpretation, I like it.

To this day, this remains my favorite movie. The fight scenes are great, a real high point to the series. The city destruction is quite explosive and impressive, and the overall build-up over the course of the movie, and it's triumphant yet downer ending ends up working really well when it could have come off as very awkward.

Dr. Mafune may be a bit melodramatic for the more serious tone of the movie, but it just works somehow. Vastly prefer the Japanese version, but I still watch the dub every so often due to nostalgia, and Mugal's dub voice still sticks with me all these years later.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:02 am

I managed to watch both Showa MechaGodzilla films tonight.

Terror of MG was my favorite G film as a kid. I first saw it during TNT's Memorial Day (or was it President's Day?) Godzilla marathon. This movie starkly contrasts with GvsMG. One is bright and colorful; the other is dark and tragic. Both films have strengths, but I prefer ToMG because of the monster action. Titanosaurus is also light years better than King Seesar. Nakano's effects for this film are also better - some of the matte shots are splendid (tho some are quite bad...Titanosaurus stepping on the poor "Kennies", anyone?). MechaGodzilla's city rampage and subsequent attack on Godzilla as he crosses the battlefield are truly some of the best kaiju action scenes ever filmed. Godzilla and Titanosaurus has tons of personality in this film, and I really dig this G design.

The characters are ok. Mafune is a one trick pony - he cares about his daughter and revenge, plus Titanosaurus. That's about it. Katsura is extremely cold in this film; later she comes to her senses but by that time she is about to meet her tragic end. Mugal is a great villain. He is truly cruel, ordering the executions of his own men for failure.

The sheer amount of death and violence in this film is staggering for a Godzilla movie. People have their throats cut to keep them from talking, one guy is brutally gunned down after escaping the aliens' base, Mugal orders executions of his own men AFTER whipping them, many of the main characters die. Even with good triumphing over evil, there is a huge sense of loss at the end of the film. Godzilla swims away victorious, but the human characters are left with a mess, especially Ichinose.

What I love about this movie are the kaiju. Godzilla and Titanosaurus have an entertaining battle that is uniquely filmed from low angles and from behind a few sprawling city shots. They punch and kick and MG annihilates entire city blocks with one attack. The explosions are truly a sight to behold. Overall, this film is very solid and one of the better Showa entries and certainly a top tier G film. It does have some issues, but the monster action pushes it over the top for me.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:45 am

I've always found this movie a bit too insistently depressing. It's like it's trying too hard to be dour. The ending cue though definitely legit gets me just about every time. It's a reminder that this is the end of the original Godzilla series, and nothing would ever quite feel the same about the movies again.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:08 am

Yeah, there is nothing to really cushion the blow. No comedic relief, no goofy character - everything is straightforward and certainly ends up being quite tragic by closure of the film. The ending cue is pretty great. The monsters are the best part of the movie. Godzilla is truly heroic. He shows up just to defeat Titanosaurus and the performance in this film by the suit actor is full of life and energy. About the only goofy moments are when the monsters fight - i.e. Godzilla dusting himself off after being buried. Titanosaurus is wonderfully executed and frankly one of my favorite Toho kaiju. From the moment he comes on the screen he is full of personailty. The effects work here are top notch most of the time - the sets are gorgeous and the explosions are massive. MechaGodzilla's assault on Godzilla is truly amazing. The storyline works well enough that the monsters can carry it. This film is still in my top 5, maybe top 3.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby mr.negativity » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:57 pm

Terror of Mechagodzilla at 40:
The end of one era and the start of another
Don Kaye wrote:Forty years ago, 1975 brought the arrival of a number of sci-fi, horror and fantasy films that made an impact on their genres -- some good, some not so good, but all interesting and all remembered even to this day. This is the third in a series (see previous entries here and here) that will step back 40 years and take a look at each of those films on the anniversary of its release and where it stands four decades later...

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Terror of Mechagodzilla

Release date: March 15, 1975

Cast: Tomoko Ai, Goro Mutsumi, Akihiko Hirata

Director: Ishiro Honda
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Jared » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:49 am

^Great article.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Dr Kain » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:15 am

Am I going nuts, or was the dub that was on VHS missing the scene where Katsura shot herself?

I looked on the DVD from CM but the dub has that scene on it. I could have sworn the dub stopped showing them right after Ichinose told her he will love her no matter what.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:52 am

Dr Kain wrote:Am I going nuts, or was the dub that was on VHS missing the scene where Katsura shot herself?

I looked on the DVD from CM but the dub has that scene on it. I could have sworn the dub stopped showing them right after Ichinose told her he will love her no matter what.


You would be correct, that's the VHS uses the Bob Conn TV cut I believe.

EDIT: The one on the DVD is a reconstruction of the UPA cut and International Dub.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Dr Kain » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:27 am

Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! wrote:
Dr Kain wrote:Am I going nuts, or was the dub that was on VHS missing the scene where Katsura shot herself?

I looked on the DVD from CM but the dub has that scene on it. I could have sworn the dub stopped showing them right after Ichinose told her he will love her no matter what.


You would be correct, that's the VHS uses the Bob Conn TV cut I believe.

The one on the DVD is a reconstruction of the UPA and International Dub.


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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Psycho Soldier » Sun May 10, 2015 12:40 am

Watched this earlier tonight. It's not my 4th-favourite Godzilla movie (despite what the preference sorter told me last year), but I might still put it in my top 10. Had a few random thoughts along the way:

+ I don't know why the sea flashes whenever Titanosaurus surfaces, but it's a neat effect - which is all the explanation I need.

+ I prefer the US cut of the scene where the kids approach Titanosaurus. The blue screen effects of him chasing and stomping them are pretty shoddy, and you get the point from the US cut anyway.

+ Where's the housekeeper parked where he can watch Katsura and Ichinose? The movie starts cutting to him peering out of his car before those two approach the railing outside. Even after that, I didn't get a good sense of where his car is supposed to be.

+ The final fight is in serious need of reediting, not to mention of extra footage. How Godzilla goes from holding his own to losing so suddenly isn't clear. Also, I'm trying to decide if T'saurus bouncing on Godzilla's grave is funny, menacing, or both. Leaning toward both.

+ The contrast between the '70s tokusatsu aesthetic and the brooding script is a little shaky at times, but it works well overall. Without the alien outfits and the wire effects during the final fight, the film might have worked somewhat better. I don't mind the villains being cartoonish in principle. On the other hand, the constant evil laughter and Mafune's behaviour are hard to take at times.

+ Barring the opening credits, Godzilla doesn't show up until the 45-minute mark, and MG doesn't become active until the 56-minute mark. I didn't really care until I looked at the time in my media player. I still don't mind now. Just thought the timing was interesting.
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Re: TALKBACK #15: Terror of Mechagodzilla

Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Sun May 10, 2015 3:02 am

Bruticus wrote:Watched this earlier tonight. It's not my 4th-favourite Godzilla movie (despite what the preference sorter told me last year), but I might still put it in my top 10. Had a few random thoughts along the way:

+ I don't know why the sea flashes whenever Titanosaurus surfaces, but it's a neat effect - which is all the explanation I need.

+ I prefer the US cut of the scene where the kids approach Titanosaurus. The blue screen effects of him chasing and stomping them are pretty shoddy, and you get the point from the US cut anyway.

+ Where's the housekeeper parked where he can watch Katsura and Ichinose? The movie starts cutting to him peering out of his car before those two approach the railing outside. Even after that, I didn't get a good sense of where his car is supposed to be.

+ The final fight is in serious need of reediting, not to mention of extra footage. How Godzilla goes from holding his own to losing so suddenly isn't clear. Also, I'm trying to decide if T'saurus bouncing on Godzilla's grave is funny, menacing, or both. Leaning toward both.

+ The contrast between the '70s tokusatsu aesthetic and the brooding script is a little shaky at times, but it works well overall. Without the alien outfits and the wire effects during the final fight, the film might have worked somewhat better. I don't mind the villains being cartoonish in principle. On the other hand, the constant evil laughter and Mafune's behaviour are hard to take at times.

+ Barring the opening credits, Godzilla doesn't show up until the 45-minute mark, and MG doesn't become active until the 56-minute mark. I didn't really care until I looked at the time in my media player. I still don't mind now. Just thought the timing was interesting.


The fact that you didn't care, is proof of how strong the script and characters in this movie were.

I agree about the editing here. There must have been a lot cut, because there is stuff that makes no sense at all. How did Godzilla suddenly get floored after tackling Mechagodzilla?

Did Titanosaurus hit him in the back?

Did Mechagodzilla fight back and knock him down?

It feels like Honda tries to emulate Fukuda's fast editing style, but doesn't seem to get it.
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