TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

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Postby jellydonut25 » Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:47 pm

I would have a hard time believing footage was removed from a movie that featured so little new footage to begin with...
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Postby Einstürzende » Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:24 pm

Well, the scene with the "flashlight eyes" is in the trailer.

If it were true, I would've loved to see the Megalon and Gigan scene.
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Postby The Giant Pacific Octopus » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:11 pm

Alot of times, brief scenes are cut from the film in post production and would usually be included in the trailers. Its not just brief cut scenes but in some cases alternate angle shots of existing scenes.

For instance, in the Japanese trailer for King Kong vs Godzilla, you can see an alternate angle shot of Godzilla and King Kong trashing Atami Castle during the climax. You can also see an alternate angle shot of Kong swinging Godzilla around by his tail. There is also a shot of Godzilla spraying his fire (a distance shot) during his attack on the Arctic military base that was snipped from the final cut of the film.

I suspect that was the case with Jet Jaguar blinding Megalon with his eye beams. If I recall there was a shot of Jet Jaguar (in the Japanese trailer)growing giant sized while he is standing next to a dam that wasn't in the final cut of the film.

As for that supposed scene of Megalon and Gigan talking to one another, and Antonio pondering, I seriously doubt those scenes existed or were filmed, but who knows.

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Postby MouthForWar » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:12 pm

The Giant Pacific Octopus wrote:Alot of times, brief scenes are cut from the film in post production and would usually be included in the trailers. Its not just brief cut scenes but in some cases alternate angle shots of existing scenes.


That's always been the case with movies in any country. Its still like that to this day, even with American movies.
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:50 pm

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The Giant Pacific Octopus wrote:Alot of times, brief scenes are cut from the film in post production and would usually be included in the trailers. Its not just brief cut scenes but in some cases alternate angle shots of existing scenes.


That's always been the case with movies in any country. Its still like that to this day, even with American movies.


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Postby Hybrid Gojira » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:25 am

I remember watching this movie and thinking...

"Wow, this music is so awful."

But isn't the score recycled music from Hedorah?

Anyway, the movie is fun when you see it for what it is. Gigan and Megalon are expressive, and honestly it's pretty hilarious. Megalon's powers are really cool, even if it was Ghidorah trashing most of it...the napalm attacks are nifty. I always thought Megalon deserved a reboot, and I love Gigan, who is one of the coolest kaiju designs ever.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:19 am

Hybrid Gojira wrote:I remember watching this movie and thinking...

"Wow, this music is so awful."
that was one of my thoughts the last time i watched it too...music kinda kills this one and prevents it from being as enjoyable as Godzilla vs. Gigan
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Postby Hybrid Gojira » Tue May 03, 2011 12:30 pm

Yesterday I watched the japanese version...

The movie is more entertaining than I remember. JJ is hilarious, as are the ever-expressive Gigan and Megalon. It's pretty funny how many times stock footage was used to Megalon's destruction scenes. I remember watching that as a kid, pausing the VHS and watching it in slow motion...it was pretty obvious Gigan's claw was attacking the planes despite the fact he hadn't arrived in the move yet. The porn inclusion is pretty obnoxious...I'm not sure what purpose it served in a kiddie movie. There are also some really poor edits during the fighting and a few other spots, but overall it's an enjoyable flick.
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Postby MouthForWar » Tue May 03, 2011 4:27 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:The porn inclusion is pretty obnoxious...I'm not sure what purpose it served in a kiddie movie.


Uh, what? Porn? As far as I know, there's a poster with nudity in the background of a shot (which isn't taboo or uncommon in Japan, especially in the 70s), but that's not porn by any means.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Tue May 03, 2011 4:43 pm

MouthForWar wrote:
Hybrid Gojira wrote:The porn inclusion is pretty obnoxious...I'm not sure what purpose it served in a kiddie movie.


Uh, what? Porn? As far as I know, there's a poster with nudity in the background of a shot (which isn't taboo or uncommon in Japan, especially in the 70s), but that's not porn by any means.


Yeah, I didn't understand how it was obnoxious. It was just there. Set dressing and such.
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Tue May 03, 2011 5:01 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:But isn't the score recycled music from Hedorah?


Riichiro Manabe brought back his Godzilla theme from Hedorah, but all of the music in Megalon was newly recorded.

I like Manabe's scores. They're surreal and bizarre and they fit perfectly in both films.
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Postby Hybrid Gojira » Tue May 03, 2011 8:42 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:Yeah, I didn't understand how it was obnoxious. It was just there. Set dressing and such.


That's precisely it - why is it there? It doesn't need to be as it serves no purpose, especially in a kids movie. Maybe I don't get the whole 70's Japan culture, but I don't think it's necessary. I do know that nudity is pretty much common thing in anime, which is much different than in the US, but for a Goji movie it's just odd.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Tue May 03, 2011 9:06 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:
MekaGojira3k wrote:Yeah, I didn't understand how it was obnoxious. It was just there. Set dressing and such.


That's precisely it - why is it there? It doesn't need to be as it serves no purpose, especially in a kids movie. Maybe I don't get the whole 70's Japan culture, but I don't think it's necessary. I do know that nudity is pretty much common thing in anime, which is much different than in the US, but for a Goji movie it's just odd.



It's not odd...if it's an acceptable thing to the society of the time, and the film is made for that society...there's nothing unusual about that.

And I said it was there for set dressing. That's it's purpose.
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Postby MouthForWar » Wed May 04, 2011 3:44 am

MekaGojira3k wrote:
Hybrid Gojira wrote:
MekaGojira3k wrote:Yeah, I didn't understand how it was obnoxious. It was just there. Set dressing and such.


That's precisely it - why is it there? It doesn't need to be as it serves no purpose, especially in a kids movie. Maybe I don't get the whole 70's Japan culture, but I don't think it's necessary. I do know that nudity is pretty much common thing in anime, which is much different than in the US, but for a Goji movie it's just odd.



It's not odd...if it's an acceptable thing to the society of the time, and the film is made for that society...there's nothing unusual about that.

And I said it was there for set dressing. That's it's purpose.


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Postby Mac » Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:54 pm

I was thinking about this film earlier, and I just can't get over how absurd this film is. It's the most backwards Godzilla film ever. The United Nations, or whatever, bombs islands off Japan and decimate Seatopia (albeit unknowingly), yet when the Seatopians decide to strike back, they're painted as the villains. The original Godzilla film condemns the use of nuclear weapons, but here the Big Oaf is willing to fight for them. What the "OH GODZILLA! WHAT TERRIBLE LANGUAGE!"?
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Postby Gwangi » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:51 am

It just dawned on me that it will be 35 years this Labor Day weekend that the folks took me to see this at the movie theater, on a double-bill along with the original "King Kong" (in anticipation for the DeLaurentis movie that was to be out later that year).

This movie has its critics, but at eight years old in 1976 and watching Godzilla on the big screen for the first time, believe me, a young G-fan could not have asked for more. And the theater was actually full and chearing for Godzilla and Jet Jaguar! Almost feel for some of you young guys for missing out on these things (Godzilla movies on the big screen or just scan the T.V. guide and one will be playing in one of our local channels and sometimes all week long!).
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Postby Rodanex » Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:47 pm

Yeah, I didn't understand how it was obnoxious. It was just there. Set dressing and such.


I never even noticed it.

Mac wrote:I was thinking about this film earlier, and I just can't get over how absurd this film is. It's the most backwards Godzilla film ever. The United Nations, or whatever, bombs islands off Japan and decimate Seatopia (albeit unknowingly), yet when the Seatopians decide to strike back, they're painted as the villains. The original Godzilla film condemns the use of nuclear weapons, but here the Big Oaf is willing to fight for them. What the OH GODZILLA! WHAT TERRIBLE LANGUAGE?


That's a good point. It's sort of like Mothra vs. Godzilla in reverse.[/quote]
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Postby Dagarah72 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:04 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:
MekaGojira3k wrote:Yeah, I didn't understand how it was obnoxious. It was just there. Set dressing and such.


That's precisely it - why is it there? It doesn't need to be as it serves no purpose, especially in a kids movie. Maybe I don't get the whole 70's Japan culture, but I don't think it's necessary. I do know that nudity is pretty much common thing in anime, which is much different than in the US, but for a Goji movie it's just odd.


It's there to show that the 2 truck drivers were horndogs. :lol:

Actually I always felt that it was included to show that they were shady. I mean, they did accept money from a stranger to dump cargo into a damn, no questions asked. Not to say that people who look at naked pictures of women are shady. Anyway I don't think it's that big of a deal. Godzilla vs. Megalon is a far different kid's film than, say.... Wizard Of Oz.


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Postby Mac » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:10 am

Where do you guys think all of the money that was put into this film went towards? There was the Dam sequence, and then they had to build four suits (Of which Gigan's costs were split with the Zonefighter production, according to August).

This film apparently had a larger budget than Gigan, so why couldn't they afford to build some miniatures?
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:58 am

Mac wrote:Where do you guys think all of the money that was put into this film went towards? There was the Dam sequence, and then they had to build four suits (Of which Gigan's costs were split with the Zonefighter production, according to August).

This film apparently had a larger budget than Gigan, so why couldn't they afford to build some miniatures?


It must have been the suits. Gigan had one new suit and quite a few miniatures, including Godzilla Tower. Megalon had four new suits, a miniature dam and a bizarre aquatic paddling contraption.
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Postby rockstarbd82 » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:56 pm

This film does barely anything for me. I've tried giving this film many many chance. As a kid, as a young adult, even now, and it never grows or sings to me the way the other g-films do. I know Godzilla was thrown in last minute for marquee value, but it did lil to help this film.

WAYYYYY too much stock footage recycling. Acting soo bad it "wasn't" funny. Hammy @$$ fight choreography thats laughable in the worst fashion. The whole film screams out rush job and bad 70s film. Sometimes I also feel like this is a cheap saturday morning cartoon episode of Godzilla. Not even the MSTK could save it.

Megalon was a cool monster but filmed in all the wrong lights. The new Gigan suit looked like it was run over with a car. Godzilla's head looks like a cats head for some reason. And "Jet Jaguar" . . . enough said. I'm sry but he did "nothing" for me. For a robot who was supposed to be the star at first he sure spends more time getting his @$$ handed to him than the other way around. I enjoyed him better in the video game where he could double his giant size. They should've done that in this film.

I'll still give it a watch every now and then, but I prefer the ZoneFighter Episodes that followed after it. Where the "Talkback Section" on those???
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Postby rockstarbd82 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:53 pm

Sry but I just felt I had to say this but Godzilla vs Megalon is like watching a big stink bomb explosion :lmfao:
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Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:08 pm

I'd rather watch this than the self-important films like Godzilla vs. Mothra (92), or the boring wastes of time like Godzilla x Megaguirus.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:26 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:I'd rather watch this than the self-important films like Godzilla vs. Mothra (92), or the boring wastes of time like Godzilla x Megaguirus.


Ditto for me

And as I've said...I'd rather watch this than DAM, the 70's Godzilla films are a lot of fun..
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:42 pm

Yeah, count me in the same camp. Godzilla vs. Megalon isn't perfect, but the zaniness of everything and the pure fun that oozes from all of the 1970s Godzilla films elevates it above things like Megaguirus or vs. Mothra which may be more SURIOUS or even well crafted.
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