TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Legion » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:19 pm

This movie is a blast. An utter masterpiece of silly '70s Japanese cinema. One of my favorites! Never get tired of it!!!!
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:25 pm

As far as Godzilla films go, I think it's trash. Only Spacegodzilla and Megaguirus are worse. And anyone saying its "Good", has their nostalgia goggles on too tight. All that said, I think it's an exploitation film for children and that's where it succeeds.

It's trash for sure. But its fun trash. But it's never boring, unlike vs Spacegodzilla, and it moves quick. The high point for certain are the personalities of the monsters without a doubt. Jet Jaguar is the rookie hero. Megalon is dumb muscle. Gigan is classic heel wrestler. And Godzilla is full blown scrappy hero. It's kind of an important film in the series, but for different reasons. I think vs Gigan is a better effort and picture overall. At least they tried better with the stock footage placement. Probably Jun Fukuda's worst film ever. (His best imo are the Ironfinger movies, and vs Mechagodzilla. And his 60s Godzilla films were solid entries.).

I think it's better in English than subbed. Same like with Gigan. Though Gigan beats it out in the dubbing department (classic A-Team dub), though both have Ted Thomas!
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Dr Kain » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:14 pm

Nah, I usually can't make it past the 15 minute mark when it was dubbed. Watching it subbed though, I had no problem sitting through the whole thing.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:52 am

That's the thing for me. I find the acting in vs Gigan and vs Megalon to be so horrid that the dub improves it drastically.

Especially vs Gigan.

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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Gman2887 » Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:12 pm

Dubbed or subbed, it's hard to sit through in a single sitting. I mean, I get enjoyment out of it on a very basic level-- In some sense I enjoy every Godzilla movie. But this one takes a couple of sits to finish. Always has.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby DannyBeane » Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:36 pm

Gman2887 wrote:Dubbed or subbed, it's hard to sit through in a single sitting. I mean, I get enjoyment out of it on a very basic level-- In some sense I enjoy every Godzilla movie. But this one takes a couple of sits to finish. Always has.

Childhood nostalgia means I could watch this movie 10 times a day if I had to. I'm very excited to get the blu ray as this will compliment my Gigan blu ray/Mechagodzilla DVD as constant background noise in my apartment. Jet Jaguar's theme song is a guilty pleasure of mine as well and I always thought Megalon was a fun design.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Mysterio » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:20 pm

DannyBeane wrote:Childhood nostalgia means I could watch this movie 10 times a day if I had to.


+1. I have a soft spot in my heart for Megalon despite all it's shortcomings. It was one of the first Godzilla films I recall seeing as a child of the 70s, and while it's got a multitude of weak spots I'll take it over anything Heisei any day.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Gman2887 » Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:43 am

Mysterio wrote: I'll take it over anything Heisei any day.


I didn't understand this comment in regards to Megalon on this forum in 1999 and a decade and a half later I still don't.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Legion » Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:42 am

I don't know about him. But I'D rather watch Megalon over most Heisei films. It's not good film-making, but it's more sincere and entertaining than most of those bloated, colorless, by-committee '90s films.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:43 am

This low-budget B-movie, Godzilla vs. Megalon, is more entertaining and fun to watch than any Heisei film except Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Legion » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:49 am

Benjamin Haines wrote:This low-budget B-movie, Godzilla vs. Megalon, is more entertaining and fun to watch than any Heisei film except Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah.


Don't tell anyone under 17, or they'll scream at you to stop being nostalgic and old.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:44 pm

Legion wrote:
Benjamin Haines wrote:This low-budget B-movie, Godzilla vs. Megalon, is more entertaining and fun to watch than any Heisei film except Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah.


Don't tell anyone under 17, or they'll scream at you to stop being nostalgic and old.


Well, I'm 31 a lover of the Showa era, general critic of the Heisei films past 1991, and STILL think its nostalgia goggles and people being old when it comes to this particular movie. 1973 provided a much better tokusatsu film that blows this one out of the water (literally), and I can see why the studio went with those kinds of efforts instead of Godzilla. That said, I find the same energy or effort found in this movie, in The Return Of, vs Biollante, and vs King Ghidorah. Nakano and Kawakita are great sfx directors. Nakano was at his best when he had a budget, and Kawakita well... I dunno what happened to him after 1991. I still think his best work is Zero Fighter Burns.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Garasharp K7 » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:42 pm

Well I wasn't overly fond of the flick when I first saw it, so I wouldn't really factor nostalgia in my appreciation of it in later years. I grew to like it more after watching more anime and tokusatsu shows from that period. As it is, the movie feels like an extended episode of Spectreman, Red Baron, Denjin Zaborger or well... Zone fighter, actually. :)
Overall, While I certainly wouldn't call it a masterpiece, I wouldn't call it trash either. It's a lot of fun, and I might as well jump on the "I enjoy it more than a lot of later films in the series" bandwagon as well, because I do. Perhaps were I to put on some sort of serious objective critic hat and put the film under a microscope I might feel differently, but I won't. To paraphrase Groucho Marx, 'Godzilla vs. Megalon' is like a frog: if you dissect it, it doesn't work. :)
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Gman2887 » Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:24 pm

Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! wrote:
Legion wrote:
Benjamin Haines wrote:This low-budget B-movie, Godzilla vs. Megalon, is more entertaining and fun to watch than any Heisei film except Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah.


Don't tell anyone under 17, or they'll scream at you to stop being nostalgic and old.


Well, I'm 31 a lover of the Showa era, general critic of the Heisei films past 1991, and STILL think its nostalgia goggles and people being old when it comes to this particular movie. 1973 provided a much better tokusatsu film that blows this one out of the water (literally), and I can see why the studio went with those kinds of efforts instead of Godzilla. That said, I find the same energy or effort found in this movie, in The Return Of, vs Biollante, and vs King Ghidorah. Nakano and Kawakita are great sfx directors. Nakano was at his best when he had a budget, and Kawakita well... I dunno what happened to him after 1991. I still think his best work is Zero Fighter Burns.


I agree with a lot of this. "Because of nostalgia and age," might be a generalization, but there's still plenty of merit to that comment. Godzilla vs. Megalon is largely loved for ironic fun or because there are fond memories of it. There's really not much more there. Even the "fun" part is highly subjective-- I don't really enjoy the movie until Godzilla enters the battle and by then 2/3s of the film is over. It's no masterpiece of any sort and it certainly isn't a highlight. It's the baby boomer Godzilla movie that said generation mostly associates Godzilla with-- Not exactly a great thing.

It's just another bad, borderline cult status movie that people enjoy because it's another bad, borderline cult status movie.

I'm sad we'll never hear the audio commentary for this film. The fact it acknowledged it was a bad movie and dove into why it was such a bad movie was so intriguing to me. Going into that "why" is probably the most interesting aspect about the film and I would've loved to hear that kind of background.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:04 pm

"Ironic fun" definitely doesn't factor into my enjoyment of Godzilla vs. Megalon or any other movie, and I really don't get how anyone can enjoy a movie specifically because of perceived flaws. Godzilla vs. Megalon is genuine fun despite its low production values, contrived plot beats, and heavy stock footage. It's a short, quickly paced, and positively zany story, full of wonderfully outlandish sci-fi elements and a cast that does a solid job of carrying it all. The characters are an entertaining bunch consisting of three heroes and three main Seatopians. Jet Jaguar and Megalon are delightful and the arrival of Gigan and Godzilla makes the third act monster brawl an unforgettable tag-team wrestling spectacle. It's a legitimately fun movie and I sincerely enjoy watching it more than any Heisei film other than Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, which has always been one of my top favorites.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:57 am

I get (and got on my watch last night) equal amounts of pure fun and ironic fun from watching Godzilla vs. Megalon. Am I supposed to find it genuinely fun that a ROBOT actually gets dizzy? I don't think so, but I laugh at that part EVERY time. It's hilarious...a freaking ROBOT gets dizzy from spinning around too much! Hilarious, and I assume unintentionally so.

Likewise, I get a big grin at some of the stuff Jet Jaguar does that I'm pretty sure was SUPPOSED to be humorous, like when he responds to our main characters even though they don't use their sonic wave transmitter or whatever it's called. Fun. Intentionally so, I assume.

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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby H-Man » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:42 am

I contend that most of the monsters' antics here are intentionally humorous. Gigan and Megalon laugh at Godzilla's misfortune (Megalon even slaps himself on the butt), Jet Jaguar gets dizzy, Godzilla does some boxing moves, the tail slide, etc. I don't think any of these things were meant to be taken seriously. On the other hand, I'm not convinced bizarre elements like the Seatopian costumes or Goro's explanation for Jet Jaguar's growth spurt were intended to bring laughs. I think those things are pure hokum, so like Jelly I find there's a good mix of ironic and intentional humor here. There's little doubt that it's one of the worst Godzilla movies but despite that (or perhaps because of it) it's one of my five favorites.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Psycho Soldier » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:12 am

Megalon is one of my bottom 5 Godzilla movies. I don't hate it, but beyond the monsters and their fights, I find it a chore to sit through. It's probably Fukuda's worst effort of the series, at any rate. It's not as technically ambitious as Gigan or Mechagodzilla, but it's also not as colourful as Sea Monster or SOG. It's visually bland for the most part. I don't care about the humans, and the soundtrack is very much a mixed bag. On a scene by scene basis, I have fun with it at times, but not to the extent that I'd call the movie a favourite. There just isn't enough here to keep my interest.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:16 am

The color pallet of this film is kind of bland in comparison to Fukuda's other films. Sea Monster, Son Of Godzilla, and Mechagodzilla are just so bright and colorful. And very brisk too. It isn't that he can't do cool or darker colors either, since I thought E.S.P.Y. was pretty cool. And The Ironfinger movies were somewhere between that (and tons of fun).

The strong point for sure were the monster interactions. Gigan is an a-hole and I think he's great here.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:23 am

I plan to watch this again soon. It's been years since I've sat through it all. The high point is (obviously) the monster action. I like Megalon and Gigan. The DAM scene is genuinely well done.

But that score...the score just is terrible. It was bad in Hedorah and it's horrible here.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Benjamin Haines » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:50 am

Cody Himes wrote:I contend that most of the monsters' antics here are intentionally humorous. Gigan and Megalon laugh at Godzilla's misfortune (Megalon even slaps himself on the butt), Jet Jaguar gets dizzy, Godzilla does some boxing moves, the tail slide, etc. I don't think any of these things were meant to be taken seriously.


I agree with this. Don't forget Megalon hopping around like a rabbit!


Cody Himes wrote:On the other hand, I'm not convinced bizarre elements like the Seatopian costumes or Goro's explanation for Jet Jaguar's growth spurt were intended to bring laughs. I think those things are pure hokum, so like Jelly I find there's a good mix of ironic and intentional humor here. There's little doubt that it's one of the worst Godzilla movies but despite that (or perhaps because of it) it's one of my five favorites.


Things like Goro and Roku breaking back into their house by throwing a model airplane at the Seatopian and making him think it's a real plane for half a second, the way Megalon sends the truck's container flying through the air only for it to land softly and Goro and Roku roll out unharmed, and of course, "he programmed himself in some way to increase his own size" are what I was referring to when I mentioned the movie's contrived plot beats. Yeah, those illogical moments get laughs out of me but I don't think it's a matter of whether that humor is intentional or unintentional. It's easy for us adults to pick apart a movie and analyze its individual components objectively but Godzilla vs. Megalon was not written for adult viewers. It was made for children and that's not an audience that enjoys watching the Seatopian take a model airplane to the face because it's a totally hackneyed way to move the plot forward; kids get a kick out of that because it's a genuinely fun, bizarre moment in a very fun and bizarre movie. Just because we grow up doesn't mean we should lose the ability to enjoy things on that level.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby kiryugoji04 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:49 am

Benjamin Haines wrote:"Ironic fun" definitely doesn't factor into my enjoyment of Godzilla vs. Megalon or any other movie, and I really don't get how anyone can enjoy a movie specifically because of perceived flaws. Godzilla vs. Megalon is genuine fun despite its low production values, contrived plot beats, and heavy stock footage. It's a short, quickly paced, and positively zany story, full of wonderfully outlandish sci-fi elements and a cast that does a solid job of carrying it all. The characters are an entertaining bunch consisting of three heroes and three main Seatopians. Jet Jaguar and Megalon are delightful and the arrival of Gigan and Godzilla makes the third act monster brawl an unforgettable tag-team wrestling spectacle. It's a legitimately fun movie and I sincerely enjoy watching it more than any Heisei film other than Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, which has always been one of my top favorites.


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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Gman2887 » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:43 am

Benjamin Haines wrote:Things like Goro and Roku breaking back into their house by throwing a model airplane at the Seatopian and making him think it's a real plane for half a second, the way Megalon sends the truck's container flying through the air only for it to land softly and Goro and Roku roll out unharmed, and of course, "he programmed himself in some way to increase his own size" are what I was referring to when I mentioned the movie's contrived plot beats. Yeah, those illogical moments get laughs out of me but I don't think it's a matter of whether that humor is intentional or unintentional. It's easy for us adults to pick apart a movie and analyze its individual components objectively but Godzilla vs. Megalon was not written for adult viewers. It was made for children and that's not an audience that enjoys watching the Seatopian take a model airplane to the face because it's a totally hackneyed way to move the plot forward; kids get a kick out of that because it's a genuinely fun, bizarre moment in a very fun and bizarre movie. Just because we grow up doesn't mean we should lose the ability to enjoy things on that level.


But does any of that make a decent children's flick? Is it built to at least be enjoyable for older audiences as well? I think there's a lot of excuse making here that either tries to condemn evolving tastes or places blame on the audience for not enjoying it. Son of Godzilla is a kid's movie as well, but it's wholly accessible to older audiences. It's a functional family film and a pretty damn good one at that. Godzilla vs. Megalon is far more juvenile and more difficult for wider audiences to adjust to-- Which, likewise isn't a bad thing itself. The film simply fails at reaching me (and others) and I find the elements it uses for its target audience to be snooze inducing.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:57 am

I found Daigoro vs Goliath to be a better children's movie too. Any enjoyment of this movie is mostly from an ironic level. And I still think its a better view through a dub.

I feel there is more energy here than in most of the Heisei films. I also think this movie is hurt from a lack of budget, rather than effort. The 1973 Toho Tokusatsu film is Submersion of Japan, not this movie.
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Re: TALKBACK #13: Godzilla vs. Megalon

Postby Benjamin Haines » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:06 am

I think there's a difference between a kid's movie and a family movie. Son of Godzilla is a family movie while Megalon is most definitely a kid's movie.
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