TALKBACK #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan

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TALKBACK #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan

Postby lhb412 » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:05 pm

You think advanced aliens would be able to get the right number of digits on the hands of their giant Godzilla facsimile.

This film somehow wound up being very quotable.

"I think it stinks"
"Hard "OH GODZILLA! WHAT TERRIBLE LANGUAGE!"" (followed by) "You cheeky pig!"
"He must have thought it was a gun"
"I don't believe in coincidences like that"
"Stupid, but at the same time cunning"

This is the only time we have Ifikube music for a Fukuda film, of course it's all stock music, but still. And speaking of personel, this was Nakajima's last flick as Godzilla. The master suit actor went out in the deteriorating DAM suit. That's an interesting way to get rid of your Godzilla suit: use it untill it is destroyed. I mean, pieces flying towards the camera, pretty epic!

Lots of stock footage in this one.... um, that's all I have to say about Godzilla vs. Gigan.


Oh, during Gigan and Ghidorah's attack on Tokyo there was a thunderstorm outside! Pretty cool.
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Postby G2KMaster » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:40 pm

Love this film.

Making of:
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This film is one of thoes films which gets the nestalgic for me. You guys had the 4:30 movie, Thanksgiving Marathon, and Creature Feature. I had from 2002-2005 Sci-Fi channel where every memorial/labor day, they would shot Hedorah, Gigan, and Mechagodzilla. This film goes in my top 10.
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Postby kent » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:29 am

Watched this film yesterday and it is awesome!! Was always one of my favorites as a kid and then it fizzled out a bit when I was teen. Now it's making a strong comeback.

The human drama I noticed yesterday seems to be much better than I remember. Before I knew it, the monsters were getting ready for their throw-down! In my teen years the human drama seemed to drag on and on and I wondered when the kaiju were going to show up and start the battle.

Awesome movie! Really fun! Sure there's stock footage galore, but, hell, it's entertaining!
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:40 am

This is my favorite. Movie. Ever.

I mean, I will occasionally switch it for the original Godzilla movie depending on the sort of crowd I'm talking to or what sort of mood I'm in but I'm not ashamed to say that this is my favorite movie ever made.

Well, like, Godzilla is too. Think of it like the Holy Trinity. They are three, but they are one at the same time. :lol:

But, man! Friggin' Godzilla vs. Gigan! 8D
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Postby Xenorama » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:33 am

saw this one in the theater (kiddie matinee) in the summer of 1980, when it was still uncut (except for the credits) since my friends and I commented on the "salty" language of the movie.

sadly, it was so easy at age 15 to spot every movie this film borrowed footage from, and even was able to see Mothra's unannounced cameo about to happen.

I like the movie more now, but it's still on the lower third of the 15 original movies. i like it more than any film since 1975, except maybe Final Wars...

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Postby metal_bryan » Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:10 am

This film, along with Megalon, is all about serious quotability... There are SO MANY hilariously memorable lines of dialogue. By far one of the best to watch with a drunken group of friends. :lol:
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Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:42 am

I think this movie presents one of the ultimate 'What if's of the Godzilla franchise. Every time I watch it I cannot help but wonder 'what if this movie had an actual budget to shoot scenes with?'

Gigan is and has always been my favorite Godzilla foe.

I used to watch this movie as a kid from a tape off tbs or something, but i had missed the first 5-15 (cant remember anymore) minutes of the movie and was totally only in it for the monsters (which, at age 8/9 i did not know/notice was stock footage)

the only part of the movie i NEVER understood was Anguirus' arrival in the bay area only to leave again...doesn't make a whole lot of sense...not that aliens being able to control two giant monsters but not two other giant monsters makes any more sense

This movie also has that first time Godzilla bleeds and easily the closest he came to death (with the exception of ACTUALLY dying in Gojira) until Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla

easily my favorite of the 70s era...now to try to track down the japanese version with the cartoon speech bubbles above the monsters' heads...
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:41 am

This is also one of the films where I am far more entertained by the human cast than by the monsters. Usually it's the other way around or I am entertained by both equally but Gigan? I simply don't believe in coincidences like that!
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Postby Garasharp K7 » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:54 pm

"My monster's created by telepathic action of kids. Their hatred of homework streams into space. It forms a monster there."

Yeah, the flick's full of memorable quotes. I was watching the Japanese version earlier on, and I ended up spouting lines from the dub at certain points during the film. And big geek that I am, tried imitating the voices too. :oops:
The stock footage never bothered me though, seeing as its' taken from one of my other favourite flicks. I never get tired of seeing Ghidorah demolish Tokyo. :)
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:12 am

Best line in the Japanese version:

"Kono IDEA, BEWWY GUUDO desu ne?"

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Postby Elliot Gay » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:51 am

kiryugoji04 wrote:Best line in the Japanese version:

"Kono IDEA, BEWWY GUUDO desu ne?"

:lol:


Oh god. I made the mistake/had the brilliant idea of using this movie as a drinking game with some Japanese friends when I was in Japan.

Best idea ever. BEWWY GUUDO in fact. =p
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Postby Tyler E. Martin » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:05 pm

It's got its share of flaws, to be sure, but I truly love this movie. It's been one of my favorites since I was a kid.

To get the negative out of the way, I'm really not a fan of all the stock footage used here. It really undermines the entertainment value of the whole thing. Seeing pretty much entire scenes lifted from previous movies doesn't work quite as well as it did with "Godzilla's Revenge," but maybe that's just me. The Godzilla suit isn't looking too great, as it's literally falling apart, and the initial appearance of Ghidorah in outer space...:puke:

Other than that, I don't take much issue with the film. The alien invasion plot, while overused, doesn't feel tired. The story is carried along quite well by some of my favorite characters in the entire series--you've got a goofy cartoonist, his karate-fighting girlfriend, a corn cob-eating hippie, and aliens in decked out in orange solid orange. True, there's no substance to them whatsoever, but I just find them...well, cool. While I don't think the use of stock music should become common practice, I really have to hand it to the music editors, as virtually all the music slips right into the movie and works perfectly, as though it were all original material. Gigan is one of my favorite kaiju, and he looks great in his debut film. Nakajima's last round as Godzilla is a memorable performance and truly worthy of the patriarch of suit acting. And the colorful visuals all around are quite striking, especially the explosions at the oil refinery at the beginning of the big fight.

Not perfect by any stretch, but still one of my favorites.

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Postby Zombiezilla » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:18 pm

Have the aliens pretty much destroyed the world by the time the monsters get rolling in this one? I mean, am I the only person who notices that there are only 5 or so people in the entire film? It just feels like this massive threat is only going to a small group of people. There is nothing epic happening in this film.
That being said, I do enjoy this one for the sheer silly side of it all. Probably the weakest of the Showa films though, IMO.
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Postby INVINCIBLE HASTUR » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:34 pm

The Corn Cob totin' Hippy.


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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:58 pm

Zombiezilla wrote:Have the aliens pretty much destroyed the world by the time the monsters get rolling in this one?

No, but the budget had...
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Postby zekend01 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:39 pm

Badazz Karate chick is the cherry on top.
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Postby Rodanex » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:40 pm

There's one scene in this movie that I really don't get. Right after the humans escape from the tower, the aliens say, "We must kill them!" and they blow up a car with the laser cannon. Our heroes watch this from the bushes and comment about how if they had been in the car, they would have been "barbecued." Then one of them says, "They're completely hypnotized by technology" or something.

So did the aliens simply make the mistake of assuming that they were escaping in the car, or is there something more going on here?
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Postby zekend01 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:51 pm

Rodanex wrote:So did the aliens simply make the mistake of assuming that they were escaping in the car, or is there something more going on here?


The former, not the latter.
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:52 pm

Rodanex wrote:There's one scene in this movie that I really don't get. Right after the humans escape from the tower, the aliens say, "We must kill them!" and they blow up a car with the laser cannon. Our heroes watch this from the bushes and comment about how if they had been in the car, they would have been "barbecued." Then one of them says, "They're completely hypnotized by technology" or something.

So did the aliens simply make the mistake of assuming that they were escaping in the car, or is there something more going on here?


That's basically it. The aliens saw a moving car and immediately assumed that our heroes were in it, simply because it was the first work of technological transportation that they saw. The thought that the people could be moving on foot never crossed their minds, hence the discourse about how they're hypnotized by machinery and Shima's line, "Let's get moving on our two feet that our parents gave us."
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Postby walshiam » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:08 pm

forgetable.
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:37 am

I'm watching this right now. This is one of my favorite Godzilla films, and it's one of the best movies to put on in the middle of the night as background atmosphere in the room, especially with this delectably nostalgic English dub. I remember the first time I watched this at nine years old, one afternoon after returning from the local swimming pool with the family and putting the rented VHS tape on in the living room. What an awe-inspiring and unforgettable experience that was, seeing the heroic Godzilla and Anguirus go through riveting dangers to thwart the evil monsters. Pure awesome.

The cast of characters here are are downright fun to watch. Even as a kid, the first 45 minutes or so that focus largely on the people before the attack on Tokyo even begins didn't bore me for a minute, and that wouldn't have been the case if the characters weren't so likable and their story so interesting. We've got a goofy cartoonist, his ass-kicking girlfriend/sister/whatever, a corncob-toting hippie, his daring friend, and her you-know-he's-cool-because-he-smokes brother as the heroes, and a couple of methodical, orange jumpsuit-clad, rather polite aliens as the villains. The people here are just as colorful and entertaining as the monsters, and that makes the whole movie fun to watch from beginning to end.

I've always loved how when it cuts from the monster battle to Machiko and Shosaku preparing the escape balloon, the stock Ifukube music continues to play faintly in the background along with the monster roars, as though the music is actually part of the monster battle off in the distance. Genius.

Fukuda had a penchant for depicting the monsters as characters in a dramatic fashion. Godzilla is getting blasted by the tower's rays and Gigan blocks Anguirus from helping him. The way Fukuda set up the shots characterizes the monsters and tells the story of the scene without a single word or bit of dialogue. Godzilla is on the ground getting roasted, crying out in pain. Anguirus looks on helplessly, seeing Godzilla in danger, but Gigan and his spinning buzzsaw are standing between him and his friend. Finally Anguirus can't stand watching anymore and just charges forward, getting his face sliced open quite nastily as a result. Anguirus became one of my favorite monsters as soon as I first saw this movie and that hasn't changed. He's Godzilla's loyal sidekick, you've just gotta love him!

This is about the coolest Godzilla has ever been in any movie. Seeing him as an unstoppable, unbeatable force in other films is cool and all, but the mortal, persevering Godzilla in this flick is so much more memorable. Here he's a compelling hero in the vein of Indiana Jones and John McClane. He heads voluntarily into battle, taunts the bad guys, shows how tough he is, gets his ass kicked something fierce but ultimately comes back and prevails thanks to his own strength and wits. He's a hero that it just feels right to root for. Making him indestructible and uber-powerful prevents the battles in some of the other films from achieving the same sense of peril and payoff that Godzilla vs. Gigan pulls off marvelously. Watching Godzilla come close to losing makes it all the more satisfying to see him send the bad guys running and roar heroically in the sunrise. Godzilla really earns his status as the king of the monsters here.
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Postby heroforhirerob » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:07 pm

Now here's a tough one. Godzilla vs. Gigan is my favorite Godzilla movie of the 70's. The hard part is explaining why. I'll admit to a bit of nostalgia on this one(I saw it as Godzilla on Monster Island in its original run), but honestly I think it's simply a matter or it not being as bad as its detractors always claim.

-In fairness, the FX on this one are wildly uneven. You have loads of stock footage, a less impressive King Ghidorah(the costume appears smaller), and really out of proportion flying miniatures, among other things. On the other hand, Gigan look great and the shots of him during the attack on Tokyo make him look very impressive. The pyrotechnic work is also very good....somewhat making up for the lack of detailed cityscapes.

-I'll second(third..fourth?) the human cast. While there isn't a top name among them, they do come off as rather likable "everyman" types we can all identify with...and I think the english dub actually enhances this effect.

-This is Godzilla and friends in full blown "superhero" mode. Either you like that or you don't. If you don't, you'll probably never like this movie. If you do, then this movie is a hell of a lot of fun.

-I find this one to be more entertaining that the two MechG movies that followed it(which to be honest take themselves just a tad too seriously). People make light of the insectoid aliens, but how is it more or less ludicrous then the obvious Planet of the Apes rip offs in the following movie? Again...either you can suspend disbelief and have fun with it or you can't.

-I am a big fan of Ifukube's music...and this film is a prime example of how it can raise the level of any film in which it is present. Despite being all stock music(and yes...I mean ALL of it), it works wonderfully in this film. The editors deserve a big round of applause for mixing the music with the movie so well.

Not much more to say on this one. Easily my favorite film of the 70's. This one I think is much maligned due to the stock footage, but if you take away that complaint, you're left with a competent, entertaining(though not overwhelming) period sci-fi film. Is it Mothra vs. Godzilla or Gojira(1954)? No, but then again neither is any other film. I say...give it another look, it may surprise you.
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Postby The Dark Uniter » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:41 pm

This also tough for me to say. Like I've found the story corny [aliens that are cockroaches], the stock footage was also a negative, I also felt that the later monster fights are kinda slow and boring but at the same time, I love Gigan as a monster and yes the score was also good but I still think its one of the weakest entries in the 70's Godzilla era.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:59 pm

The Dark Uniter wrote:...but I still think its one of the weakest entries in the 70's Godzilla era.


Lies. Godzilla Vs. Gigan >>>> All other movies ever.



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Postby Legion » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:02 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:
Lies. Godzilla Vs. Gigan >>>> All other movies ever.



Ever.


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